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  • seanjeezy
    The Future
    • Aug 2009
    • 3347

    #1

    2013 OSFM: Seattle Mariners prospects and such

    Seeing a couple of threads already for prospect/org discussion for other teams, thought it would be a good idea to get the ball rolling for the M's as well...

    Obviously we don't know what the specific changes to franchise mode are for '13, but there's a good bet the potential system is reworked so for the mean time this will mostly be discussion on who to include since there is obviously not enough space to include every interesting prospect...

    OK lets run down the list of interesting guys:


    Denny Almonte OF - D/C
    Taylor Ard 1B - D/C+
    Logan Bawcom RHP - C/C+
    Jabari Blash OF - D-/C+
    Matt Brazis RHP - D/C+
    Andrew Carraway RHP D+/D+
    Phillips Castillo OF - F-/C+
    Vince Catricala 3B - C/C+
    Ji-Man Choi 1B - D/C+
    Edwin Diaz RHP - F/B
    Joseph DeCarlo 3B - F+/C+
    Roenis Elias P - D/C
    Anthony Fernandez LHP - C/C
    Nick Franklin INF - C/B+ DONE
    Luis Gohara LHP - F/B+
    Gabriel Guerrero OF - D/B+
    Jabari Henry OF - F+/C
    John Hicks C - D+/B DONE
    Danny Hultzen LHP - C+/A- DONE
    James Jones OF - D/C+
    Patrick Kivlehan 3B - D-/B
    Bobby LaFromboise LHP - C/C
    Leon Landry OF - D/C+
    Marcus Littlewood C - F+/C+
    Timothy Lopes 2B - F+/B-
    Jack Marder C - C-/B-
    Tyler Marlette C - F+/C+
    Francisco Martinez 3B - D+/B- DONE
    Brandon Maurer RHP - C+/B+ DONE
    Jamodrick McGruder 2B - F+/C
    Yoervis Medina RHP - D+/C
    Brad Miller SS - C-/B+ DONE
    Julio Morban OF - D+/B
    Gabriel Noriega SS - F/D+
    Jochi Ogando RHP - D-/C
    Dan Paolini 2B/1B - D/C+
    James Paxton LHP - C+/B+
    Tyler Pike LHP - D/B
    Guillermo Pimentel OF - F+/C+
    Steve Proscia 3B - D+/C DONE
    Stefen Romero 2B - C+/B
    Victor Sanchez RHP - C/B+
    Jordan Shipers LHP - D-/C
    Carson Smith RHP - C/B-
    Christopher Taylor SS - C-/B-
    Taijuan Walker RHP - C/A+
    Mike Zunino C
    - C+/A DONE

    2 A
    1 A-
    6 B+
    8 B
    4 B-
    14 C+
    9 C
    1 C-
    1 D+

    Plus a bunch of filler

    Link to the ratings and info spreadsheet:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...JeW9KWkE#gid=0

    Players in bold have seen significant time in AA or above, so I feel like they need to be included. Here are the players on the 40-man that do not have any MLB service time:

    Anthony Fernandez
    Danny Hultzen
    Bobby LaFromboise
    Brandon Maurer
    Yoervis Medina
    Vinnie Catricala
    Francisco Martinez
    Julio Morban

    Players on the 40-man who did not play in an MLB game last year and probably have to be recreated:

    Chance Ruffin

    So barring any more moves this offseason, the Mariners org will have 59 open spots in the game, so now lets try to figure out how to divvy up those precious spots:

    31 SCEA players

    25 MLB
    6 AAA

    On the list of interesting players, at least 9 should be in AAA next year, which means ~10 filler players are needed at the AAA level. Here are the interesting players most likely to be in AAA next year:

    Logan Bawcom
    Andrew Carraway
    Vinnie Catricala
    Nick Franklin
    Danny Hultzen
    Bobby LaFromboise
    Brandon Maurer
    James Paxton
    Stefen Romero

    Other candidates include (not likely IMO):

    Anthony Fernandez
    Yoervis Medina
    Taijuan Walker
    Mike Zunino

    AA is where the bulk of interesting players will be, which is good since we want the upper levels to be as accurate as possible while at the same time including as many top prospects as we can:

    Denny Almonte
    Anthony Fernandez
    Roenis Elias
    John Hicks
    James Jones
    Leon Landry
    Jack Marder
    Francisco Martinez
    Yoervis Medina
    Brad Miller
    Julio Morban
    Gabriel Noriega
    Steve Proscia
    Carson Smith
    Taijuan Walker
    Mike Zunino

    Once again, ~9 fillers are needed, and we'll find out who once the rosters are set.

    There are 26 interesting players left for 15 slots:

    Taylor Ard
    Jabari Blash
    Matt Brazis
    Phillips Castillo
    Ji-Man Choi
    Edwin Diaz
    Joseph DeCarlo
    Luis Gohara
    Gabriel Guerrero
    Jabari Henry
    Patrick Kivlehan
    Marcus Littlewood
    Timothy Lopes
    Tyler Marlette
    Ketel Marte
    Jamodrick McGruder
    Jochi Ogando
    Dan Paolini
    Martin Peguero
    Tyler Pike
    Dario Pizzano
    Guillermo Pimentel
    Victor Sanchez
    Jordan Shipers
    Chris Taylor
    Dylan Unsworth

    Of course, some of the older guys who should be in High Desert next year can be mixed in with the AA guys as well:

    Taylor Ard
    Matt Brazis
    Ji-Man Choi
    Dan Paolini
    Chris Taylor
    Jordan Shipers

    Which would leave ~20 players for 15 spots... Now who to cut from this list:

    Spoiler


    Here are my 5 proposed cuts:

    Unsworth
    Peguero
    Marte
    Ogando/Gohara (if the age limit is the same as last year )
    Pizzano


    I'll post grades once we get some more info on the changes to franchise, so in the meantime, Mariners fans (and even non Mariners fans) voice your opinions!!!

    Edit:

    So I projected that there would be about 13 filler players, but I forgot about the MLB players dropped from the 40-man, as well as the NRI's and the MiLB rule 5 guy:

    Eric Ferris 2B
    Jeremy Bonderman RHP
    D.J. Mitchell RHP
    Kameron Loe RHP
    Jhonny Nunez RHP
    Ronny Paulino C

    So there's potentially 9 filler spots, which would come from this list:

    Brandon Bantz C AAA
    Jesus Sucre C AA
    Rich Poythress 1B AA
    Nate Tenbrink 3B AA
    Leury Bonilla UT AAA
    Scott Savastano IF AAA
    Joseph Dunigan OF AA
    Daniel Carroll OF AA
    Forrest Snow RHP AAA
    Jonathan Arias RHP AA
    Danny Farquhar RHP AAA
    Steven Hensley RHP AAA
    Brian Moran LHP AAA
    James Gillheeney LHP AA
    Jandy Sena RHP AAA
    Trevor Miller RHP A+
    Tyler Burgoon RHP A+
    Moises Hernandez RHP AA
    Kurt Fleming OF A
    Eric Niesen LHP AA
    Brian Sweeney RHP AAA
    Abraham Almonte OF AA

    Last edited by seanjeezy; 03-27-2013, 05:49 PM. Reason: added more filler
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  • yanksdaniel99
    MVP
    • Jun 2011
    • 1185

    #2
    Re: 2013 OSFM: Seattle Mariners prospects and such

    That Gohara report and ranking in BP was quite interesting. Maybe it's the "shiny new guy" effect but I was thinking of him as a B, potentially higher if the progression system was fixed to more accurately represent real life.

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    • seanjeezy
      The Future
      • Aug 2009
      • 3347

      #3
      Re: 2013 OSFM: Seattle Mariners prospects and such

      Originally posted by yanksdaniel99
      That Gohara report and ranking in BP was quite interesting. Maybe it's the "shiny new guy" effect but I was thinking of him as a B, potentially higher if the progression system was fixed to more accurately represent real life.
      If that... far too early to slap a grade on him IMO and I strongly feel like he's better suited for '14, but if the Mariners have the balls to start him stateside a la Sanchez my expectations for him will go through the roof lol.
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      • yanksdaniel99
        MVP
        • Jun 2011
        • 1185

        #4
        Re: 2013 OSFM: Seattle Mariners prospects and such

        Originally posted by seanjeezy
        If that... far too early to slap a grade on him IMO and I strongly feel like he's better suited for '14, but if the Mariners have the balls to start him stateside a la Sanchez my expectations for him will go through the roof lol.
        Yea, I would think they start him stateside like Sanchez, in which case, he could really elevate his stock by the end of the year. As you know I tend to real conservative on potentials but the more I read and watch, the more I like what I see from him.

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        • seanjeezy
          The Future
          • Aug 2009
          • 3347

          #5
          Re: 2013 OSFM: Seattle Mariners prospects and such

          Just for reference, here are John Sickels' grades for the top 20+ (for those unfamiliar with his grades, please read the primer):

          Seattle Mariners Top 20 Prospects for 2013

          The list and grades are a blending of present performance and long-term potential. Comments are welcome, but in the end all analysis and responsibility is mine. Full reports on all of players can be found in the 2013 Baseball Prospect Book. We are now taking pre-orders. Order early and order often!

          QUICK PRIMER ON GRADE MEANINGS:

          Grade A prospects are the elite. They have a reasonable chance of becoming stars or superstars. Almost all Grade A prospects develop into major league regulars, if injuries or other problems don't intervene. Note that is a major "if" in some cases.

          Grade B prospects have a good chance to enjoy successful careers. Some will develop into stars, some will not. Most end up spending several years in the majors, at the very least in a marginal role.

          Grade C prospects are the most common type. These are guys who have something positive going for them, but who may have a question mark or three, or who are just too far away from the majors to get an accurate feel for. A few Grade C guys, especially at the lower levels, do develop into stars. Some end up as role players or bench guys. Many don't make it at all.

          Also note that there is diversity within each category. I'm a tough grader; Grade C+ is actually good praise, and some C+ prospects (especially at lower levels) turn out very well indeed.

          Finally, keep in mind that all grades are shorthand. You have to read the full comment in the book for my full opinion about a player, the letter grade only tells you so much. A Grade C prospect in rookie ball could end up being very impressive, while a Grade C prospect in Triple-A is likely just a future role player.

          ALL GRADES ARE PRELIMINARY AND SUBJECT TO CHANGE. No grade is final until January 10th, 2013

          1) Mike Zunino, C, Grade A-: Complete catcher, either the best catching prospect in baseball or second-best behind Travis D'Arnaud. Power, patience, defense, great makeup. Does everything.

          2) Taijuan Walker, RHP, Grade A-: Some slippage in his numbers, but that's forgivable for the youngest pitcher in the Double-A Southern League. Still has premium combination of fastball, breaking stuff, developing changeup, high upside.

          3) Danny Hultzen, LHP, Grade B+: I will be honest, I am not comfortable with Hultzen's grade or his placement here and may revise it significantly before the book goes to press. I think it is a mistake to dismiss his Triple-A struggles too cavalierly. His command was just too poor at that level for us to ignore, especially given his past reputation and track record. I'm nosing around about this one and gathering more info and opinion, so stand by.

          4) James Paxton, LHP, Grade B+: He still has occasional command troubles but the stuff is first class, love the 92-95 fastball and big-breaking curve. Number two starter upside. Very good season in Double-A (3.05 ERA, 110/54 K/BB in 106 innings).

          5) Nick Franklin SS, Grade B+: I trust my eyes on this one, good tools across the board and the skills are in there. Is he a second baseman or a shortstop? I'd give him a chance at short. Needs another half-season in Triple-A following .243/.310/.416 line at Tacoma.

          6) Brad Miller, SS, Grade B+: I am actually more confident in his bat than I am in Franklin's, but he's a year and a half older and that matters. Still, if anything Miller is underrated nationally. He can really hit (.320/.406/.476 in Double-A) and he has the range/arm for shortstop if he can cut down on routine errors.

          7) Brandon Maurer, RHP, Grade B: Finally healthy and showed what he could do with four-pitch arsenal and mid-90s fastball, 3.20 ERA with 117/48 K/BB in 138 innings. Next stop, Triple-A. If he stays healthy, he's a number three starter.

          8) Victor Sanchez, RHP, Grade B: Youngest pitcher in Northwest League held his own against older hitters at age 17 (3.18 ERA, 69/27 K/BB in 85 innings). Lacks physical projection at 6-0, 255, but already throws hard. Will truly dominate when breaking stuff improves.

          9) Stefen Romero, 2B, Grade B: Not a tools guy, but just hits and hits and hits including .347/.392/.620 in Double-A. He's not bad at second base, but with other middle infield options around in this organization he may shift to a corner.

          10) Carter Capps, RHP, Grade B-: Always tough to know how to grade relievers. Former catcher hits 99 MPH and reached the majors within a year of being drafted. Needs command refinements, but definite closer upside.

          11) Stephen Pryor, RHP, Grade C+: Borderline B-. Like Capps, tough to grade. Stuff is almost as good as Capps, and he's another guy with closer potential if the command sharpens up a bit more.

          12) Luis Gohara, LHP, Grade C+: At this point the C+ guys are interchangeable depending on what you want to emphasize, so please no whining about "you should have ranked #12 at #16 and #20 at #13." Gohara is a 16-year-old Brazilian lefty signed for $800,000 this past summer. He's enormously projectable and generated loud buzz in instructional league. He could turn into anything from a number one starter to an injured A-ball washout, but keep his name in mind. You might hear a lot about it next summer.

          13) Gabriel Guerrero, OF, Grade C+: Vlad Guerrero's nephew tore up the Dominican Summer League, looked good in three weeks of rookie ball, and offers a similar package of tools to his uncle. That doesn't mean he will become his uncle, of course; bloodlines only take you so far (ask Preston Mattingly), but his upside clearly bears watching.

          14) Patrick Kivlehan, 3B, Grade C+: Played four years of football at Rutgers, but despite years of rust he thrived when he went back to the diamond last spring, then hit .301/.373/.511 in the Northwest League. He strikes out a lot and is understandably raw for a college guy.

          15) Leon Landry, OF, Grade C+: Toolsy LSU product acquired from Dodgers in Brandon League trade, runs well, gap power, good glove, hit well in California League. Profiles as fourth outfielder or platoon partner.

          16) Julio Morban, OF, Grade C+: Cal League "breakouts" can't be fully trusted, especially at High Desert, but Morban looks like the best of the batch of power-hitting Latin American outfielders with bad plate discipline that the Mariners spent a lot of money on over the last few years.

          17) Tyler Pike, LHP, Grade C+: Very projectable lefty was bought away from Florida State scholarship, showed three-pitch mix in rookie ball. Another mid-rotation upside arm.

          18) Carson Smith, RHP, Grade C+: Dominated Arizona Fall League (2.40 ERA, 18/4 K/BB in 15 innings). Great slider, could follow Pryor and Capps into Mariners bullpen soon. Posted 2.90 ERA with 77/28 K/BB in 62 innings at High Desert, 54 hits, 2.34 GO/AO. Do you know how hard that is?

          19) Anthony Fernandez, LHP, Grade C+: Four-pitch lefty posted 3.68 ERA with 79/14 K/BB in 88 innings at High Desert. Do you know how hard that is? He looked good in Double-A too (3.32 ERA with 55/24 K/BB in 76 innings). Not overpowering but knows how to pitch.

          20) John Hicks, C, Grade C+: Very athletic catcher hit .312/.351/.472. It was at High Desert though, so don't assume that will hold. Stole 22 bases, threw out 54% of runners. Has strike zone issues and needs to improve blocking, but an intriguing player.


          OTHER GRADE C+: Logan Bawcom, RHP; Vince Catricala, 3B; Timothy Lopes, 2B; Jack Marder, C-2B

          OTHERS: Taylor Ard, 1B; Jabari Blash, OF; Matt Brazis, RHP; Jin-Man Choi, 1B; Edwin Diaz, RHP; Josephy DeCarlo, 3B; Roenis Elias, LHP; Jabari Henry, OF; James Jones, OF; Bobby LaFramboise, LHP; Marcus Littlewood, C; Tyler Marlette, C; Jamodrick McGruder, 2B; Yoervis Medina, RHP, Guillermo Pimentel, OF; Steve Proscia, INF; Jordan Shipers, LHP; Chris Taylor, SS; Carlos Triunfel, INF
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          • rjackson
            MVP
            • Apr 2005
            • 1661

            #6
            Re: 2013 OSFM: Seattle Mariners prospects and such

            I think that you did really really good here. Zunino has been nothing but unbelievable and he is one of maybe 10 players I'd give an A, but I'd make it a straight A--he's a probably Allstar and possibly a Hall of Fame guy.

            At the same token, I like Hultzen's stuff and he's been great, only having control problems at AAA. Plus, I love his stuff. I rate him higher than Walker to be honest. That said, I think that you have them at the popular ratings (though I would flip flop them).

            Paxton, though, ugh. I don't see him ever being more than an okay #3, seriously. I think he is overrated. I'd go B- but I'll take a mid B.

            Franklin, I don't know. He is a high B as a 2B but only a mid B at best as a SS. I think that his cohort Miller is a mid-high B at SS. Franklin has a great stroke, I really like the mechanics of his swing--he appears to be coached very well from a young age.

            The rest is spot on in my opinion, really good read and thank you for reiterating the ratings so as to not have too many A's as we did last year. I'll be putting it in every thread!!! : )

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            • seanjeezy
              The Future
              • Aug 2009
              • 3347

              #7
              Re: 2013 OSFM: Seattle Mariners prospects and such

              I haven't done any grading yet lol, these are straight copy/past from John Sickels, basically for reference... I'm holding off on assigning potential grades until the new system is further explained, plus I'm waiting for the rest of the Mariners OSFM crew to weigh in with their input.

              Sickels is a notoriously hard grader, his grades are usually a tick below what you see in the Show... An A from him is the same thing as an A+ in the Show, A- is an A, B+ is an A-, etc.
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              • rjackson
                MVP
                • Apr 2005
                • 1661

                #8
                Re: 2013 OSFM: Seattle Mariners prospects and such

                Originally posted by seanjeezy
                I haven't done any grading yet lol, these are straight copy/past from John Sickels, basically for reference... I'm holding off on assigning potential grades until the new system is further explained, plus I'm waiting for the rest of the Mariners OSFM crew to weigh in with their input.

                Sickels is a notoriously hard grader, his grades are usually a tick below what you see in the Show... An A from him is the same thing as an A+ in the Show, A- is an A, B+ is an A-, etc.
                Well damn! That was in the first sentence of that post, too! I guess me and Sickels are of the same mold.

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                • seanjeezy
                  The Future
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 3347

                  #9
                  Re: 2013 OSFM: Seattle Mariners prospects and such

                  Originally posted by rjackson
                  Well damn! That was in the first sentence of that post, too! I guess me and Sickels are of the same mold.
                  I like to be conservative with grades as well, the problem is that the Show is a little more generous lol. Vance Worely, Drew Stubbs, J.D. Martinez, Yonder Alonso... The list goes on...
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                  • seanjeezy
                    The Future
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 3347

                    #10
                    Re: 2013 OSFM: Seattle Mariners prospects and such

                    So I found a pretty lame way to copy faces to next year's game... taking video... Looks like there will be around 25-30 faces that can be copied over to the upcoming set. I also have about 40 other faces I did last year (not counting the CAPs I did of players who made their MLB debut in 2012), most are top prospects, but quite a few are lesser known guys that I randomly did. I'll throw up a list later, but if any of the other OSFM teams need help with faces, I can contribute in a very limited role lol

                    Edit:

                    Ok here's the list of players that I plan on copying over:

                    Matt Barnes
                    Anthony Ranaudo
                    Xander Bogaerts
                    Jackie Bradley, Jr.
                    Mason Williams
                    Slade Heathcott
                    Tyler Austin
                    Alex Colome
                    Felipe Rivero
                    Enny Romero
                    Blake Snell
                    Noah Syndergaard
                    Justin Nicolino
                    Adonys Cardona
                    Francisco Lindor
                    Bruce Rondon
                    Nick Castellanos
                    John Lamb
                    Yordano Ventura
                    Chelsor Cuthbert
                    Wil Myers
                    Ariel Pena
                    Christian Bethancourt
                    Jose Fernandez
                    Adam Conley
                    Alex Meyer
                    Zack Wheeler
                    Domingo Tapia
                    Wilmer Flores
                    Julio Rodriguez
                    Robert Stephenson
                    Kyle Lotzkar
                    Billy Hamilton
                    Taylor Jungmann
                    Jed Bradley
                    Jimmy Nelson
                    Luis Heredia
                    Archie Bradley
                    Joe Ross
                    Kyle Crick
                    Last edited by seanjeezy; 01-12-2013, 03:40 PM.
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                    • TheKnack
                      Contributor
                      • Aug 2011
                      • 758

                      #11
                      Re: 2013 OSFM: Seattle Mariners prospects and such

                      Not considering copying over any Mariners? Tijuan Walker's face is absolutely spot on in '12.

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                      • seanjeezy
                        The Future
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 3347

                        #12
                        Re: 2013 OSFM: Seattle Mariners prospects and such

                        Originally posted by WSUCougars
                        Not considering copying over any Mariners? Tijuan Walker's face is absolutely spot on in '12.
                        I'll be copying over all of the M's prospects that I did last year, that list was basically the "others" if any of the other OSFM teams don't mind me pitching in, although most of them are top 100 prospects (which were outsourced last year).

                        If you want some examples of my CAPs, I have ~20 uploaded to the vault... just an fyi my Andrelton Simmons, Manny Machado, and Wei-Yin Chen (and some others I didn't upload) were included in one of the later SCEA roster updates so I'm somewhat confident in my CAP making ability lol
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                        • TheRunAndShoot
                          MVP
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 1177

                          #13
                          I'll be doing my spreadsheet again. Business trip in a couple weeks and I'll have 20+ hours to work on it before the game comes out.
                          Cosmetic Guides to the Show v2 Rosters

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                          • seanjeezy
                            The Future
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 3347

                            #14
                            Re: 2013 OSFM: Seattle Mariners prospects and such

                            Originally posted by TheRunAndShoot
                            I'll be doing my spreadsheet again. Business trip in a couple weeks and I'll have 20+ hours to work on it before the game comes out.
                            Cool, I'm really excited to get things going again. There isn't an IM chat thing on here anymore so how do you want to communicate? Also, any thoughts on others helping out?
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                            • PadresFan
                              Underrated
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 1147

                              #15
                              Pads fan here but avid prospect follower...

                              I was really happy the Mariners held on to Franklin and Walker over trading them (among others) for Upton. Franklin is one of my favorite prospects and I think he will be a stud... No matter what position we sticks at. And Walker? I don't think I need to sell him to anyone...

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