Official EA SPORTS UFC 14 Wishlist/MMA Feedback Thread

[CoreySA]

Hey OS MMA fans! For those that don't know me, I'm CoreySA, one of the EA SPORTS Game Changers, and I'm also a huge MMA enthusiast. I've been training MMA for a while now and have actually trained with such UFC fighters as Anthony Pettis and BJ Penn. Needless to say, I place MMA very high on my list of priorities.

Over the past few months, I have begun having dialogue with the guys up at EA Canada and more specifically with regards to EA's upcoming UFC/MMA title.

I've started this thread because I want to be sure to gather as many wishlist items as I can in regards to what the community wants in terms of features and gameplay that they're looking for in the next UFC title. I will be in this thread continuously looking for any and all feedback and I can assure you that I will forward all of the ideas and items in here directly to the community managers and dev teams up at EA Canada.

What I'm looking for (or what you can add here):

1. Wishlist items or new requested features you'd like to see in UFC 14 (this is not the confirmed title).

2. Feedback on EA SPORTS' previous MMA title.

3. Feedback on what positives you enjoyed from the UFC Undisputed series and what you'd like to see EA SPORTS try and push over to this series.

Any and all ideas are welcome, so feel free to add! I can also be found on Twitter: @CoreySA, so if you have any other questions or comments feel free to hit me up anytime!

[redsrule]

Re: Official EA SPORTS UFC 14 Wishlist/MMA Feedback Thread

You should talk to Steve to get your light blue name since you're a game changer.

I'll have to think to answer those questions, but off the top of my head things I want included in the new UFC game. One of the biggest things for me since I am a mostly offline player is being able to edit the stats/moves the way I see fit. If I don't like someone's rating I should be able to change it for offline play, but that shouldn't be a problem since in every EA game I remember it's editable.

Another thing is I thought EA MMA career mode was a right step in the direction for a good career mode but it still needs a lot of work.

One of the biggest issues for me in the UFC games was the damage system. There was no recovery of sorts after you got rocked a first time, and it was basically a fight for who could knock out the opponent the quickest.

[Gotmadskillzson]

Re: Official EA SPORTS UFC 14 Wishlist/MMA Feedback Thread

1. Editable rosters at least for offline players. Like any other sports game, you have a roster that you can edit anyway you want to, but then if you want to play online, have an official online roster.

2. Make leg kicks be more powerful. I felt in every MMA game ever released, leg kicks were too weak to the point majority of online players didn't respect leg kicks and just walked through them to button mash punch buttons. Leg kicks should be powerful to the point you have to respect them and check them, if not your leg will get jacked up and your movement will be severely limited far as speed and explosiveness.

3. More submission moves and some submission moves should be much harder to escape then others. In all MMA games you could escape any submission move in the same time frame with no effort what so ever. There should be a struggle and not just an instant your out of it animation.

Also submission moves attempts should cause some type of limb damage to a player. Nothing grinds my gears more then to put somebody in a knee bar or an armbar and they moving around like nothing happened to them.

4. Fix the muay thai clinch. Last year's UFC game people got out of it way too quick, literally after one knee they were automatically out of the clinch. Shouldn't be that way. The stronger fighter should be able to hold the weaker fighter in the clinch much longer. Made playing as Anderson Silva boring and pointless because you couldn't hold anybody in the muay thai clinch.

5. Cut down the amount of reversals. Ground game is an instant reversal fest. Put a limit on it per a round, like twice per a round.

6. Clinch up against the cage should be allowed to happen as long as the fighter want it to happen as long as they were punching or throwing knees. I found that in the last UFC game the ref would break it up way too quick and didn't allow a player to wear another player down with knees or shoulder thrusts up against the cage.

Hell I would dare say the last UFC game was ANTI-CLINCH. Didn't matter where you were, middle of the ring or up against the cage, if you tried to do any clinch work, it was either instantly broken or the ref would step in and break it up way too quick.

7. More visible damage to the player models and damage to a player's body should hinder movement. Last UFC game you could punch or kick a person in the side or gut 40 times, they still moved at full speed. Still was able to do take downs at full speed. Still was able to do reversals at full speed. Could do several leg lock or arm lock attempts, didn't hinder the movement of that limb at all.

8. Cut down the amount of instant KOs and flash KOs. Makes playing online unbearable because all people do is spam the punch button because they know how easy it is to KO somebody by doing that. MMA game should be about strategy, not who can button mash the fastest wins.

9. User should be able to create a fighter WITHOUT having to play some damn season mode. Nobody should be FORCED to play season mode to create a fighter that isn't in the game.

10. Season mode over all needs to be revamped. Way too boring, too short and too stale. Need a GM mode or something, where you can hire your coaches for your fighter. Make season mode online playable as well.

11. Spectator mode was the best thing about EA MMA. This need to return and allow up to 16 people or more to be watch the same fight or user created PPV card.

12. Submission sweeps. Part of real life, need to be in the game. Some fighters use submission moves to sweep or simply get to a better position.

13. Physics.......Make height, reach and leverage actually matter.

14. A complex but yet user editable CPU AI tendency for each fighter in the game. That way if a fighter so happen to change the way they fight in real life, we as the consumer can change it in the game OURSELVES. I still play the last UFC game and about half of the fighters in the game changed their fighting style in real life.

Some examples:

Throw body punches
Throw head punches
Throw leg kicks
Throw body kicks
Throw head kicks
Go for take downs
Go for clinches
Go for head submissions
Go for arm submissions
Go for leg submissions
Aggressive fighter
Counter puncher
Cautious fighter
Reckless fighter

15. Please make sure the ratings actually matter. If I have a 94 rated submission offense guy and going against a 74 submission defense guy, no way in hell should that defense guy escape my submission attempts INSTANTLY.

16. Body punches and kicks to the body should do more damage.

17. Slams should do more damage.

18. People shouldn't be able to escape from back control INSTANTLY, nor should they be able to automatically block your punches or knees from back control.

19. Blocking all the time should cause damage to your arms. This will stop people from holding down block all game long. Like in real life, if you constantly take punches or kicks to your arms from blocking them, eventually your arm will break or get severely damaged.

20. Game sliders........MMA should be treated like a sports game and not a fighting game. Therefore we need sliders.

[22cedric]

Re: Official EA SPORTS UFC 14 Wishlist/MMA Feedback Thread

Have Mike Goldberg & Joe Rogan do the commentary for the game. There actual 3D models should be in the game also. Make sure commentary is fluid, non repetitive, & not scripted. Add physics & footplanting in the game. This will remove the canned animations in the game. Also have motion capture if needed.

[CoreySA]

Re: Official EA SPORTS UFC 14 Wishlist/MMA Feedback Thread

1. Editable rosters at least for offline players. Like any other sports game, you have a roster that you can edit anyway you want to, but then if you want to play online, have an official online roster.

2. Make leg kicks be more powerful. I felt in every MMA game ever released, leg kicks were too weak to the point majority of online players didn't respect leg kicks and just walked through them to button mash punch buttons. Leg kicks should be powerful to the point you have to respect them and check them, if not your leg will get jacked up and your movement will be severely limited far as speed and explosiveness.

3. More submission moves and some submission moves should be much harder to escape then others. In all MMA games you could escape any submission move in the same time frame with no effort what so ever. There should be a struggle and not just an instant your out of it animation.

Also submission moves attempts should cause some type of limb damage to a player. Nothing grinds my gears more then to put somebody in a knee bar or an armbar and they moving around like nothing happened to them.

4. Fix the muay thai clinch. Last year's UFC game people got out of it way too quick, literally after one knee they were automatically out of the clinch. Shouldn't be that way. The stronger fighter should be able to hold the weaker fighter in the clinch much longer. Made playing as Anderson Silva boring and pointless because you couldn't hold anybody in the muay thai clinch.

5. Cut down the amount of reversals. Ground game is an instant reversal fest. Put a limit on it per a round, like twice per a round.

6. Clinch up against the cage should be allowed to happen as long as the fighter want it to happen as long as they were punching or throwing knees. I found that in the last UFC game the ref would break it up way too quick and didn't allow a player to wear another player down with knees or shoulder thrusts up against the cage.

Hell I would dare say the last UFC game was ANTI-CLINCH. Didn't matter where you were, middle of the ring or up against the cage, if you tried to do any clinch work, it was either instantly broken or the ref would step in and break it up way too quick.

7. More visible damage to the player models and damage to a player's body should hinder movement. Last UFC game you could punch or kick a person in the side or gut 40 times, they still moved at full speed. Still was able to do take downs at full speed. Still was able to do reversals at full speed. Could do several leg lock or arm lock attempts, didn't hinder the movement of that limb at all.

8. Cut down the amount of instant KOs and flash KOs. Makes playing online unbearable because all people do is spam the punch button because they know how easy it is to KO somebody by doing that. MMA game should be about strategy, not who can button mash the fastest wins.

9. User should be able to create a fighter WITHOUT having to play some damn season mode. Nobody should be FORCED to play season mode to create a fighter that isn't in the game.

10. Season mode over all needs to be revamped. Way too boring, too short and too stale. Need a GM mode or something, where you can hire your coaches for your fighter. Make season mode online playable as well.

11. Spectator mode was the best thing about EA MMA. This need to return and allow up to 16 people or more to be watch the same fight or user created PPV card.

12. Submission sweeps. Part of real life, need to be in the game. Some fighters use submission moves to sweep or simply get to a better position.

13. Physics.......Make height, reach and leverage actually matter.

14. A complex but yet user editable CPU AI tendency for each fighter in the game. That way if a fighter so happen to change the way they fight in real life, we as the consumer can change it in the game OURSELVES. I still play the last UFC game and about half of the fighters in the game changed their fighting style in real life.

Some examples:

Throw body punches
Throw head punches
Throw leg kicks
Throw body kicks
Throw head kicks
Go for take downs
Go for clinches
Go for head submissions
Go for arm submissions
Go for leg submissions
Aggressive fighter
Counter puncher
Cautious fighter
Reckless fighter

15. Please make sure the ratings actually matter. If I have a 94 rated submission offense guy and going against a 74 submission defense guy, no way in hell should that defense guy escape my submission attempts INSTANTLY.

16. Body punches and kicks to the body should do more damage.

17. Slams should do more damage.

18. People shouldn't be able to escape from back control INSTANTLY, nor should they be able to automatically block your punches or knees from back control.

19. Blocking all the time should cause damage to your arms. This will stop people from holding down block all game long. Like in real life, if you constantly take punches or kicks to your arms from blocking them, eventually your arm will break or get severely damaged.

20. Game sliders........MMA should be treated like a sports game and not a fighting game. Therefore we need sliders.

Brilliant post. A ton of amazing points in here. This is exactly the type of stuff I'm looking for. Great work.

What would you guys think of this - a season mode that began with creating a guy and he starts his career by getting invited by Dana White to join the Ultimate Fighter. I think it's silly that a UFC game hasn't incorporated TUF in some way as of yet. Huge potential there.

[Steve_OS]

Re: Official EA SPORTS UFC 14 Wishlist/MMA Feedback Thread

That would be cool, it would be a great way to work in a "training camp" type scenario, to work on and learn the control system. The back story of your fighter and how you would interact w/ other TUF guys would be interesting.

[Gotmadskillzson]

Re: Official EA SPORTS UFC 14 Wishlist/MMA Feedback Thread

TUF angle would be great if it was truly fleshed out. Have some type of RPG element to it and not just you on TUF and all you do is fight and train. Instead make it more like real life. Give it the Mass Effect angle, where as you can choose to interact with everybody in the house in a positive or negative way. And each choice has a consequence and the CPU remembers it for the rest of your career.

So let us say you were a dick to everybody in the house, all your actions were negative. After the show ended and you try to explore options to other camps, the fighters from the house that so happen to also to be a member of the camp you trying to get in remembers how much of a dick you were and tell their camp owners to not let you in. Or if you do get in, all you training gains would result in a 50% penalty.

Moving on to other elements of the TUF. If you win, you would get an automatic UFC contract of course, but if you lose, I feel the road to the UFC should be a much longer grind then it has been in the past UFC games. There should be more steps. Start off in WFA, then move on to WEC or Strikeforce, THEN move on to the UFC. I never did like the fact you could just do 2 fights in WFA and automatically get offered a fight in the UFC that fast. Sure it happens in real life, but not that often. Most fighters in the UFC had to grind for years in smaller organizations before they got in.

Getting into to the UFC should be a grind. That way when you do get in, you will appreciate it more and take all your fights and training way more seriously. Previous UFC games you didn't have to take it serious because everybody knew after a couple of fights you were automatically granted entrance into the UFC. There should also be a rise and fall element in the game. In real life you aren't in the UFC for life, you can be kicked out if you lose too many fights in a row and be forced to go back to the smaller organizations and try to win your way back into the UFC.

Not only should this happen for your fighter, but all the fighters in the game. It would add realism to the game if you knew if you lose three fights in a row you will be kicked out of the UFC and have to start the grind to get into the UFC over again.

[redsrule]

Re: Official EA SPORTS UFC 14 Wishlist/MMA Feedback Thread

I also hope all of the overlays for Fox, Fuel, FX & PPV can get into this game. All of the Fuel/FX events Kenny & Anik are announcing, and the Fox & PPV events Rogan & Goldie are announcing.

Regarding TUF I would like it in career mode as long as it wasn't mandatory every single time. You could be offered a spot on TUF and accept/decline, or if you were a "top" prospect you could bypass TUF and go straight into the UFC.

[Jdoug312]

Re: Official EA SPORTS UFC 14 Wishlist/MMA Feedback Thread

Ditto on everything Gotmadskillzson said, with the exception of less flash KOs. One of my biggest gripes with Undisputed 3 was the "Rockem Sockem Robot" feel of the matches. I really like Fight Night Champion's approach to the striking, where punches actually do significant damage, and depending on the timing and placement of the hit, any one strike could be the difference between continuing and getting KO'd.

Things I want from the game:

-Spectator mode from EA MMA
-Real fighter A.I.
-Good, fluid commentary
-Leg/Body kicks/punches to do sufficient damage to the opponent, and hinder their movement.
-Harder to reverse moves
-No alarming fighter exclusions
-Realistic fighter entrance music
-Better stamina system. I'll expand:

In real life, pinning someone against the cage drains some of the stamina, as they exert energy to get themselves off the cage. In MMA games however, it seemed there was little point to pin your on the cage, because your strikes did very little damage (this is good), and it wasn't a tactical position ala in real life because smothering your opponent didn't expend any of their energy.

-Sim mode (both offline, and online player matches/ranked matches). I'll expand:

I know most sports games try to find a happy medium between sim and arcade to best appeal to all fanbases. However, many sim players feel the more arcadey elements of the game take away both the authenticity sport, and the fun of the game. I think a great feature in Undisputed 3 was the addition of Sim Mode, which increased damage, increased stamina exertion, and reduced stamina recovery. While playing sim mode, players weren't subjected to having opponents endlessly move forward and power punch the whole game.

-More cuts/bruising/blood ala Fight Night Champion. This is MMA, people get hurt. If the game is intended to be rated T, then I can see how this might be problematic, but I think adding an option to toggle the increased violence on/off should suffice.

-Better hit impact ala Fight Night Champion (but improved). Another big gripe of mine in Undisputed 3 was that hits didn't really "feel" like they connected in the game. If I recall correctly, I think EA MMA had decent hit impact.

-Better limb system. If you constantly block strikes with your hands, your arms should feel heavier when you try to lift them, and strike (in game, your blocking/striking should gradually become slower/less effective). If you're constantly getting leg kicked, you should move slower, and your kicks from that leg should be slower/weaker. Submissions should be easier to damaged limbs.

-Height/weight/reach/ratings should all matter. Cannot stress this enough. Fight Night Champion did a pretty phenominal job with this I think.

[ManiacMatt1782]

Re: Official EA SPORTS UFC 14 Wishlist/MMA Feedback Thread

Change the blocking to a high low system, with parries being on a perfectly timed block. If you attempt a parry too early and miss, you should be open to a flush punch or kick. It should be a risk reward type system. Keep the counter system. Perfectly timed counters could badly hurt or even end the fight in EA MMA and they felt perfect. Reduce the grapple block window, or disable grapple blocking entirely if your blocking strikes. Make the strike to pass pass to strike system actually work. it was too easy to block strikes and transitions and submission attempts all at the same time. But in General build off of the Previous EA MMA game, as it did a multitude of things right.

[aholbert32]

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1. EVENT MODE!!!! This is the single greatest mode in any UFC game. Offline players should be able to create their own cards and the presentation should be exactly like a UFC broadcast.

2. Online logo creation and sharing: People can create their own tatoos and t-shirt logos.

3. CAF sharing with no restriction on ratings. If I want to create a 100 rated Fedor, I should be able to easily create him and share it with others.

4. Full fighter walkouts with customizable music. Import this feature from Fight Night Champion (but make the walkouts longer). I want to be able to play "Sandstorm" when Wanderlei Silva is walking to the cage,

5. Game Sliders: Must have feature!

6. Editable rosters like Gotmadskillson said.

7. Pretty much everything everyone else asked for.

[LingeringRegime]

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Please have an event mode like there was in UFC Undisputed 3 with the option of watching CPU vs CPU matches. CPU vs CPU is huge for me. I have uploaded hundred of events on YouTube.

Include real audio from the commentators from actual events, instead of generic statements llike, "The guy on the bottom needs to get busy, because the guy on top is looking to finish."

More distinction between fighters. Their mannerisms, the verbage from their corners need to be accurate as well, I don't want to hear english being spoken to Little Nog when he is in between rounds in his corner. I hope that makes sense.

Honestly, I enjoyed the control scheme from EA MMA more than UFC Undisputed games. Keep on with the two analog sticks it feel more loose and the movements feel intuitive. I have a couple of suggestions though to make it even better. Change the camera angle so that you will be looking at your opponent in the face. Use the shoulder buttons as modifies for the punch and kick locations. Example, holding L1 in conjunction with the left stick is a punch to the face, depending upon where your placement of the left stick. Or holding R2 in conjunction with the right stick is a kick to the legs again dependent upon placement of the right stick for exact location. That way punches and kicks would be more dependent on the skills of the player. This could create glancing blows along with power shots in the special place that could rock someone or knock them out. I hope that made sense.

Last but not least. Real time physics. This is a must. Something like euphoria engine.

[EL_GABE]

Re: Official EA SPORTS UFC 14 Wishlist/MMA Feedback Thread

event mode/PPV mode/ be the joe silva where we can make are own cards own rankings something like
world of MMA 3"

[TheShizNo1]

Re: Official EA SPORTS UFC 14 Wishlist/MMA Feedback Thread

Damn, you guys are coming up w/ some good stuff.

[redsrule]

Re: Official EA SPORTS UFC 14 Wishlist/MMA Feedback Thread

Another few things I would like. I hope there is no limit on the cap of fighters being able to be made. Same goes for downloading logos and stuff. IIRC you could only have like 10 on UFC 3, which was a giant pain if wanting to edit CAFS and stuff to make realistic shorts.

I hope height/reach is properly implemented into this game as well. With the openweight glitch in UFC 3 it showed that it was implemented in that game. Mighty Mouse (5 foot 3) could kick Stefan Struve in the head (6 foot 11).