MLB 13 The Show - The Player Ratings Algorithm Has Changed, 17 Players Rated 99

[Ligeann Dul Coileain]

Re: MLB 13 The Show - The Player Ratings Algorithm Has Changed, 17 Players Rated 99

Why does knocking down the ratings not do that for the players rated over 99? It wouldn't help for those rated below, in fact it would cause less separation for lower rated players if you scale it.

For instance if three players are rated 120, 110 and 99 the end user doesn't see this and doesn't know if the game rates one SS at 99 more than another at 99, even if one is 120 and one is 110 according to the game. To the player they are the same overall since they can't see what's under the hood.

If the game does think one player is better 120 vs 110, why not show this to the end user. So if 120 was the best player in the league it would be 99, 97, 95 or something for those three players. If its going to be there as a number, why not give the user this info? It does cause lower rated players to have less separation though if you scale it since its only an issue with players rated over 99. its just maybe people would be more accepting of the numbers on overall if all the top guys were not rated 99.

If I'm understanding everything correctly the reason that 120 and 110 overalls aren't displayed even though they exist is because you can look at the ratings of each individual attribute to decide whether the 120 overall player or the 110 overall player would be a better fit for what you want. So you don't really need to rely on the overall.

I understand what you're saying. It would make sense to have only the best be a 99 and have everyone else scale downward, but since you don't need any attribute to be a 99 just to be a 99 overall I think that the importance of the overall is really limited. It's nice to get a quick snapshot view of the value of a player at a position, but it doesn't (and shouldn't) tell you everything that you need to know about that player.

Suppose I want to upgrade at second base and would like to get more power in my lineup at the same time while I'm already good with team defense. Defense is probably rated as higher importance in the algorithm that decides Overall when compared to power for a second baseman. So I may end up wanting a secondbaseman with a lower Overall score, but who hits for more power and therefore has a higher Power rating.

I could trade for second baseman with the higher Overall, but he may turn out to not be a good fit for me at all. So since Overall is really essentially unimportant I think that it's acceptable for players to have higher than 99 overalls possible. It's the individual attributes that affect what happens on the field.

....If individual attributes could be above 99, on the other hand, I would view that as a bigger issue. Overalls over 99 mean nothing.

[MrOldboy]

Re: MLB 13 The Show - The Player Ratings Algorithm Has Changed, 17 Players Rated 99

But the overall number is there and its a number now so to someone who does not know what is going on behind the scenes, or that its relative by position a 99 means 99. They might see a 99 shortstop as being as good as another 99 shortstop since that is what the game is showing them. We on OS know these things and can understand what the ratings really mean and can interpret for ourselves. Maybe we want a more defensive SS over an offensive one. That's why some have said the numbers do more harm than good. I honestly have no strong feelings about the numbers, I'd actually say I like them being there than not. But I understand the issues people are having with seeing players being 99. Since I use edited rosters and then edit them further myself the overall numbers don't really bother me that much. But for someone who uses only the official ones I can see the issues.

[nomo17k]

Re: MLB 13 The Show - The Player Ratings Algorithm Has Changed, 17 Players Rated 99

On the issue of limiting OVR to 99 for those who actually are computed to be above 99, it wouldn't be that much of an issue if it's just being displayed at 99 (due to the limited screen real estate, for example), but if the franchise game engine is actually seeing the players with 99 OVR as all equally rated, having too many 99 OVR may become an issue.

For the sake of argument, Verlander and Strasburg both are 99 OVR, but really the formula give Verlander to be 120 and Strasburg 101. Then Verlander should be much more valuable thatn Strasburg, when trading or determining player salaries. But if they are maxed out, then the game has no choice to value them equally, which could make some funny things happen if there are too many 99 OVRs.

Some part of the game appears to depend a lot on OVR ratings (player movements). So in general it's better for a rating system to *not* have too many players clustered around the maximum value... the very highest value should be reserved for the really the leading player among the group of players in the game.

[MrOldboy]

Re: MLB 13 The Show - The Player Ratings Algorithm Has Changed, 17 Players Rated 99

On the issue of limiting OVR to 99 for those who actually are computed to be above 99, it wouldn't be that much of an issue if it's just being displayed at 99 (due to the limited screen real estate, for example), but if the franchise game engine is actually seeing the players with 99 OVR as all equally rated, having too many 99 OVR may become an issue.

For the sake of argument, Verlander and Strasburg both are 99 OVR, but really the formula give Verlander to be 120 and Strasburg 101. Then Verlander should be much more valuable thatn Strasburg, when trading or determining player salaries. But if they are maxed out, then the game has no choice to value them equally, which could make some funny things happen if there are too many 99 OVRs.

Some part of the game appears to depend a lot on OVR ratings (player movements). So in general it's better for a rating system to *not* have too many players clustered around the maximum value... the very highest value should be reserved for the really the leading player among the group of players in the game.

That is part of what I am curious about. Does the game take its hidden overall rating into account at all? Or is 99 the max it considers? Or does overall never come into play and it only uses the individual ratings?

[nomo17k]

Re: MLB 13 The Show - The Player Ratings Algorithm Has Changed, 17 Players Rated 99

That is part of what I am curious about. Does the game take its hidden overall rating into account at all? Or is 99 the max it considers? Or does overall never come into play and it only uses the individual ratings?

For regular player attributes (like Contact, K/9, etc.), it's ceiled at the max value (what you see in the game is what you get...). Don't know about OVR.

[MrOldboy]

Re: MLB 13 The Show - The Player Ratings Algorithm Has Changed, 17 Players Rated 99

For regular player attributes (like Contact, K/9, etc.), it's ceiled at the max value (what you see in the game is what you get...). Don't know about OVR.

I'd like to know if overall does come into play in contracts, trades, etc. Maybe someone can answer?

[Ligeann Dul Coileain]

Re: MLB 13 The Show - The Player Ratings Algorithm Has Changed, 17 Players Rated 99

Being tied into sallary and player movement is something I'll admit I hadn't taken into consideration. Though even there I don't think that it's too big of an issue because once you get into that tier of players you're already talking about people who are incredibly valuable as far as trade value whether they are a 120 or a 101. But I do see the point about how Overall does indeed have an effect on some aspects of the game's logic.

I agree that it would make better sense to reserve 99 as the highest that it can go, but I'm imagining that that would involve some pretty big changes to the weight given to attributes at a position which could in turn lower everyone else's negatively and create problems on the lower end of the scale as well.

I admit that I know nothing about how the ratings system works, but it sounds like progress is being made if nearly 30 players got moved out of that 99 range from last year's game to this year's.

I didn't notice too many problems with all of the full bars present last year (I actually had no idea that there were over 40 of them) so I highly doubt that the way I play I'll notice any problems from having fewer people ranked as highly as possible. I do understand the concern for people who think it may effect them though, I just don't particularly share in those concerns too much.

[nomo17k]

Re: MLB 13 The Show - The Player Ratings Algorithm Has Changed, 17 Players Rated 99

I'm not really "concerned" though... it's just a word usage and I just enjoy discussing the game and how things work, so I'm just presenting an argument. As I wrote before, I don't really play the game looking at ratings too meticulously, especially OVR.

[Ligeann Dul Coileain]

Re: MLB 13 The Show - The Player Ratings Algorithm Has Changed, 17 Players Rated 99

"Concern" maybe wasn't the right word, but it is a valid point that I hadn't really considered before. I'd be interested to know whether the in-game logic considers the difference between players over 99 or not.

[Russell_SCEA]

Re: MLB 13 The Show - The Player Ratings Algorithm Has Changed, 17 Players Rated 99

Some of you guys can make a Mountain out of a mole Hill in a heart beat. The game only sees 99 the guys who are rated higher than that. The number only shows up in our Excel files not the game.

[Cavicchi]

Re: MLB 13 The Show - The Player Ratings Algorithm Has Changed, 17 Players Rated 99

Some of you guys can make a Mountain out of a mole Hill in a heart beat. The game only sees 99 the guys who are rated higher than that. The number only shows up in our Excel files not the game.

If you don't mind my asking, what is Kershaw's Excel rating? I'm just curious.

[tonadom]

Re: MLB 13 The Show - The Player Ratings Algorithm Has Changed, 17 Players Rated 99

Some of you guys can make a Mountain out of a mole Hill in a heart beat. The game only sees 99 the guys who are rated higher than that. The number only shows up in our Excel files not the game.

It's probably the result of boredom.

[keymax]

I mentioned it before. But don't get too caught up in player overalls. Jimmy Rollins has a far better OVR rating than JJ Hardy. But Hardy clearly performs better at the plate.
It's just a number and it's not nearly as meaningful as in other games.

I would prefer getting rid of an overall rating altogether but I guess I'm in the minority here.

[rjackson]

Re: MLB 13 The Show - The Player Ratings Algorithm Has Changed, 17 Players Rated 99

This thread has a few useful nuggets in it.

The rest of it is like a story going like this:

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[mmorg]

Re: MLB 13 The Show - The Player Ratings Algorithm Has Changed, 17 Players Rated 99

Did anybody ever complain about "too many full red bar players" in previous years?