Can a good sim player beat a good cheeser?

[Law504]

for some reason i have alot of success playing cheesers, people who uses Heat, Knicks Thunder. Once you stop all the fastbreak transition 3's you can beat them cause if you make them use the shot clock they get confused on how to score.

I run plays and take smart shot cause if i miss its off to the races for a Novak or Melo fastbreak 3's. One thing i noticed about cheeser that their defense sucks. I just beat a guy with a record of 214-10, 94-64. They relies on their run and gun offense if you can stop them here and there you can beat them...

How would you play against them? Slow place game to make them mad, double everytime their star player have the ball?

I play with the Cavs, btw. my record is 255-20

[iNolaNightmare]

I'd love to play you sometime. Me GT is the same as my username. Just send me a friend request.

I use the Pelicans.

[MVP9072]

Re: Can a good sim player beat a good cheeser?

Well play like the Pacers/Bulls do and you will annoy them

I don't know why people rely on the 3 nonstop the mid range is more consistent

[Thunder Storm]

Re: Can a good sim player beat a good cheeser?

People who cheese scare me more than sim players. Sim players like myself will run plays for scrubs, just to be authentic. Cheesers will win at all costs and force feed superstars every possession.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Can a good sim player beat a good cheeser?

Not since NBA 2K11...

[Money team]

Sim players rule...Naaagh it all depends on personnel. I played against a lot of three point cheesers and because of my personnel anytime they miss its a layup.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: Can a good sim player beat a good cheeser?

Yeah a sim guy can beat a cheeser.

But every now and then there's that one over the top cheeser plus momentum not on your side . It's the worse I sware.

[AiRJorDan23]

Re: Can a good sim player beat a good cheeser?

If this was 2k11 i would say yes much more confidently.

I normally play at a slower pace and run multiple plays, this do annoys them which causes them to rush their shot on the offensive end. I had one guy call me lame for running plays and playing a slow tempo lol.

People who cheese scare me more than sim players. Sim players like myself will run plays for scrubs, just to be authentic. Cheesers will win at all costs and force feed superstars every possession.

I feel different, A sim player who knows how to use the whole team scares me more than a cheeser.

[Streaky McFloorburn]

Re: Can a good sim player beat a good cheeser?

Assuming "cheese" doesn't include outright glitches and "sim" doesn't mean rigidly following a set of dogmatic principles (like making sure they shoot a certain amount of mid-range jumpers regardless of what the defense gives them), the player with the greater mastery of the game will win the vast majority of the time.

If real basketball knowledge is an important part of having complete mastery of a basketball videogame, sim players should generally be better than cheesers, given equal stick skills.

However, fully understanding NBA 2k also means knowing where real techniques are inferior to ones that may only exist in the virtual world. These techniques should only be considered cheese if there is no reliable counter to them, because basketball (or any other head-to-head sport) is all about finding/creating competitive advantages over the opponent. Having to compromise part of your defense to contain a certain player or take away the first couple of options on a given possession are realities that actual NBA teams face every game.

There will always be the possibility of someone that has simply put in more hours than other NBA 2k players, and has been able to think outside the box because they didn't limit themselves to existing basketball strategies. A player like this would undoubtedly be labeled a cheeser because they'd be capable of things others weren't, even if no part of their game relied on exploits.

Ultimately, it's a videogame. Someone who plays it as such and lets their playstyle flow to the (hopefully competitively fair/universally accessible) boundaries of its technical limitations, rather than constraining themselves by trying to perfectly emulate NBA basketball, will be the ultimate NBA 2k competitor.

I've tried to absorb as many complaints about 2k13 as possible, and I'd say that while this entry in the series has many aspects that people nearly unanimously feel need improvement, there has been a sharp reduction in complaints about PvP imbalance. Other than the Euro 3 glitch, there is no single player-initiated offensive or defensive technique that can only be beaten by copying/using it for the entire duration of a game, and has overwhelmed novice or devoutly "sim" players to the point that it has sustained a lengthy thread (the worst offender would seem to be the 1-3-1 zone defense).

Once a strategy has an element of risk equal to its potential reward, as in the OP's example of transition threes, it can no longer accurately be called cheesy, it instead becomes foolish to continue using it in the wrong scenario. Because it's more socially acceptable to say cheeser/cheese rather than fool/folly, we keep using those terms even when/where they no longer apply.

A player who refuses to adapt their playstyle to the opponent is a bad competitor, period - regardless of what that style looks like. Concerning yourself primarily with how a game looks may make you a simulator (or more appropriately perhaps, a chameleon if you're good at it and a poseur if you're not), but it doesn't make you a competitor. Considering all of that, I'd suggest that what a person labels cheese in 2k13 probably says more about them than the so-called cheesers.

A player that doesn't concern themselves with fitting into a certain category will beat a player of similar skill that does, maybe not the first time or every time, but within a few head-to-head matches this will consistently be the case.

[aussieicon91]

Re: Can a good sim player beat a good cheeser?

The sim player could win if the defensive mechanics weren't complete trash.

[toneqdup]

Re: Can a good sim player beat a good cheeser?

The sim player could win if the defensive mechanics weren't complete trash.

Yeah, it's all good til they start spin moving in paint 5 times a quarter..... I was so good on 2k11 that if somebody started cheesin (hopstep/ lead passin) I would literally stand at the top of the key until the clock got down to 8 seconds and score consistently. (I would just stand there, HA!!) But with these new games, 1 swing of "momentum" you could be in trouble.

So now, if they cheese me, I cheese em' back (Your best chance)..... I miss the good ole' days blowin bums out 20-40 points a game using nothing but legit ball..... smh

[Optik]

Re: Can a good sim player beat a good cheeser?

@Streaky McFloorburn

Great post.

If people don't want to play cheesers, they should just back out and play a friend on HOF Sim. Tired of these people playing quick ranked and then whining when they get beat by cheesers. No one is forcing you to choose an inferior team to your opponent. No one is forcing you to call a play every single possession. If quick ranked isn't fun for you, no one is forcing you to play it. Play a friend.

As for those who are saying it was only possible on 2K11, you are lying. There is less cheese in 2K13 than 2K11.

[Jrocc23]

The only exploits I can think of in 2K11 was the hopstep and the spin dunk. Everything else could be stopped with defense. You definitely had a better chance beating "cheesers" in 2K11.


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[tetoleetd]

Re: Can a good sim player beat a good cheeser?

@Streaky McFloorburn

Great post.

If people don't want to play cheesers, they should just back out and play a friend on HOF Sim. Tired of these people playing quick ranked and then whining when they get beat by cheesers. No one is forcing you to choose an inferior team to your opponent. No one is forcing you to call a play every single possession. If quick ranked isn't fun for you, no one is forcing you to play it. Play a friend.

As for those who are saying it was only possible on 2K11, you are lying. There is less cheese in 2K13 than 2K11.

nah. all it takes is a double button tap to spin into the lane and lay it up in traffic. i played against a guy that was the raptors last night and besides the occasional dunk in traffic(which is also over powered) with gay and derozen, his only offense was spinning into the lane and laying it up with rudy gay. its cheesy as hell and it takes no skill. but the worst part about it is ITS NOT FUN TO PLAY LIKE THAT. you cant tell me this dude actually enjoys playing the game like that lol.

[Champion8877]

Re: Can a good sim player beat a good cheeser?

Yes of course a sim player can beat a cheeser. But that doesn't make cheesers any less annoying. It doesn't matter so much if I win or lose to the cheeser, it is the fact that they are playing unrealistic and giving me a bad, unrealistic NBA experience when I play them.