MLB 13 The Show - Overall Team Ratings, Including Batting, Pitching and Defense

[Chaos81]

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I love this thread.

[nemesis04]

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I am a huge red sox fan but how are the red sox a 3 when they were gutted and lost most of their stars?

Don't worry they still play like **** in the game as compared to real life so your experience will not be ruined!

[Majingir]

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Don't worry they still play like **** in the game as compared to real life so your experience will not be ruined!

lol, I can see that happening. Once the game comes out, people will be like "How come the 3rd overall Red Sox can't beat the 11th overall Yankees!?

[tvman]

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Giants pitching is overrated. They were 11th in the NL in road ERA. People completely dismiss park factors when looking at team stats and player stats. Considering the entire MLB, they were ranked 27th in defense errors committed and fielding percentage, and 12th in runs scored. Seeing them at 17th overall isn't as far fetched as it may seem.

Yes, Giants won the world series. But like the previous guy said, talent wise they don't stack up. Any of the top 15 teams in baseball can beat anybody in a 7 game series. Guys like Scutaro played out of their minds. They can make the post season pretty easily playing in the NL West, and from there the playoffs are a roll of the dice. Teams like the Nationals, Braves, Reds, and Cardinals look better on paper (and were during the regular season statistically). Even the Dodgers if it wasn't for the injuries especially to Kershaw and Kemp would have finished ahead and Giants were close to not even making the playoffs.

Yes, they won, congrats...but I don't think it makes them automatically the undisputed #1 team in baseball. They're not any more scary to face than the teams mentioned above, plus AL teams like the Rangers, A's, Angels, Tigers, Yankees, Baltimore, and even Toronto.

There's lots of good teams in baseball. I don't think people realize that not too much separates the #3 through #17 teams in the major leagues. A lot of it depends on injuries, timing, luck, and playing in the right division.

So yea, it's just a video game. The players ratings total them to 17th...big whoop. Video games don't capture hot streaks and chemistry the same way.

Bah, like the old saying goes statistics are for losers. Regardless i'll take the Giants being #1 in real life and let the Tiggers have #1 in a video game!

[ParisB]

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Bah, like the old saying goes statistics are for losers. Regardless i'll take the Giants being #1 in real life and let the Tiggers have #1 in a video game!

Right. Everyone knows that the Astros are really #1. I ignore statistics and records.

[xSiQ]

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I am a huge red sox fan but how are the red sox a 3 when they were gutted and lost most of their stars?

Well, if you're truly a 'huge fan' then you might know which team spent the most coin in free agent signings this off season.....

Yep, the Boston Red Sox

Of course they are going to be highly rated as a team, seeing as how they have very high rated individual players (in game).

-Mike Napoli
-Dustin Pedroia
-Jacoby Ellsbury
-Shane Victorino
-David Ortiz
-Jon Lester
-Clay Buchholz
-Joel Hanrahan
-Andrew Bailey
-Daniel Bard

That's just their top of the line players, they still have quite a few more above average players that just increase their overall rating.



What I don't get about everyone complaining on which teams are overrated or underrated, the ratings aren't a comparison of one team to another they are an overall rating of the compilation of individual players on that team.

Example:
-Team A has 8 players ranging from .260 - .300 average hitters with above average, average, and below average power
-Team B has 3 players all .300+ hitters all with exceptional power, but 5 .200 hitters with no power

Team A is the better team in terms of all around talent / Batting but Team B may be rated higher because of the weight the 3 superstar players carry toward the overall rating of the team. The same goes for pitching.
If a team is ranked 30th in Batting, that doesn't mean their entire lineup is sub .250 hitters, possibly they could have all .300 hitters if the other 29 teams had all .350 hitters.

I hope that makes sense. If a team is #1 Overall it doesn't necessarily mean they are all around better than the #2 Overall team.

[ParisB]

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Well, if you're truly a 'huge fan' then you might know which team spent the most coin in free agent signings this off season.....

Yep, the Boston Red Sox

Of course they are going to be highly rated as a team, seeing as how they have very high rated individual players (in game).

-Mike Napoli
-Dustin Pedroia
-Jacoby Ellsbury
-Shane Victorino
-David Ortiz
-Jon Lester
-Clay Buchholz
-Joel Hanrahan
-Andrew Bailey
-Daniel Bard

That's just their top of the line players, they still have quite a few more above average players that just increase their overall rating.



What I don't get about everyone complaining on which teams are overrated or underrated, the ratings aren't a comparison of one team to another they are an overall rating of the compilation of individual players on that team.

Example:
-Team A has 8 players ranging from .260 - .300 average hitters with above average, average, and below average power
-Team B has 3 players all .300+ hitters all with exceptional power, but 5 .200 hitters with no power

Team A is the better team in terms of all around talent / Batting but Team B may be rated higher because of the weight the 3 superstar players carry toward the overall rating of the team. The same goes for pitching.
If a team is ranked 30th in Batting, that doesn't mean their entire lineup is sub .250 hitters, possibly they could have all .300 hitters if the other 29 teams had all .350 hitters.

I hope that makes sense. If a team is #1 Overall it doesn't necessarily mean they are all around better than the #2 Overall team.

Exactly. I mean, forget that they won the World Series for a second (for the reasons I listed above).

Their defense is ranked 27th in MLB. Their road ERA is 11th in the NL. Their offense was 12th in MLB. Neither Blanco, Pagan, Pence, Scutaro, Belt, nor Crawford are elite players or top 10 at their positions. Their best pitcher Cain is the 10th best pitcher in the NL. Pablo is OK but hard to call him a star. Posey is their best player, ok cool.

I don't think the Show got them "wrong". They're not a good video game team, lol. Statistically they're not really top 10 in MLB in most categories. They just play really well at the right times in real life, have a good manager, and their results have been better than the sum of their parts. Video games don't capture the human elements.

They're a collection of decent players that played in the right division, got to the playoffs, got hot at the right time and had it going at the right time. If you were building a team, only Posey is a "must have" player. I don't see them being ranked 17th being such a travesty.

[CabreraMVP]

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If we are looking at it player for player then Yankees and Angels have the best lineups imo

There is not a chance that New York has a better lineup than Detroit. The Angels and Detroit are the top two teams, nobody else is very close to them.

[xSiQ]

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There is not a chance that New York has a better lineup than Detroit. The Angels and Detroit are the top two teams, nobody else is very close to them.

The Nationals are no where close to the Angels? That's a laugh...

The Angels lineup may win them their division, but pitching wins championships and seeing as how the Nationals have some of the best pitching in all of baseball and a comporable lineup I would slate them as a better overall team than the Angels.

Look at the Angels rotation, Weaver is a solid ace and Wilson is good pitcher but after that what do they have, Jason Vargas career 4.35 ERA, Tommy Hanson whose fastball has decreased over 1 mph in each of the last 2 seasons (now under 90mph) it's no wonder his H/9 was 9.46 in 2012 and he gave up 27 HR's, and Blanton is a good 5th starter and that's being generous.
As for their lineup I don't see much going for them other than Trout and Trumbo. Hamilton had the highest chase rate last year in all of MLB and has been trending that way for a few years now. Pujols is aging and had his worst offensive year in 2012.

What is it you see that makes this team so insanely unstoppable that no one else comes close to them that I don't?

[CabreraMVP]

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We are talking about lineups.

[xSiQ]

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There is not a chance that New York has a better lineup than Detroit. The Angels and Detroit are the top two teams, nobody else is very close to them.

That says team, not lineup... and even so I can think of a few lineups better than the Angels.

Having 3 or 4 productive hitters does not make a lineup.

[Hockeynut99]

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The Giants should be higher if they had a true chemistry rating. Maybe next year. ha

[ParisB]

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The Nationals are no where close to the Angels? That's a laugh...

The Angels lineup may win them their division, but pitching wins championships and seeing as how the Nationals have some of the best pitching in all of baseball and a comporable lineup I would slate them as a better overall team than the Angels.

Look at the Angels rotation, Weaver is a solid ace and Wilson is good pitcher but after that what do they have, Jason Vargas career 4.35 ERA, Tommy Hanson whose fastball has decreased over 1 mph in each of the last 2 seasons (now under 90mph) it's no wonder his H/9 was 9.46 in 2012 and he gave up 27 HR's, and Blanton is a good 5th starter and that's being generous.
As for their lineup I don't see much going for them other than Trout and Trumbo. Hamilton had the highest chase rate last year in all of MLB and has been trending that way for a few years now. Pujols is aging and had his worst offensive year in 2012.

What is it you see that makes this team so insanely unstoppable that no one else comes close to them that I don't?

Umm, they were towards the top in many statistical categories, despite a brutal April where nobody hit. They have a well rounded and balanced lineup top to bottom. Lol @ the selective stat picking trying to make them into negative players.

[Bondsfan]

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Giants pitching is overrated. They were 11th in the NL in road ERA. People completely dismiss park factors when looking at team stats and player stats. Considering the entire MLB, they were ranked 27th in defense errors committed and fielding percentage, and 12th in runs scored. Seeing them at 17th overall isn't as far fetched as it may seem.

Yes, Giants won the world series. But like the previous guy said, talent wise they don't stack up. Any of the top 15 teams in baseball can beat anybody in a 7 game series. Guys like Scutaro played out of their minds. They can make the post season pretty easily playing in the NL West, and from there the playoffs are a roll of the dice. Teams like the Nationals, Braves, Reds, and Cardinals look better on paper (and were during the regular season statistically). Even the Dodgers if it wasn't for the injuries especially to Kershaw and Kemp would have finished ahead and Giants were close to not even making the playoffs.

Yes, they won, congrats...but I don't think it makes them automatically the undisputed #1 team in baseball. They're not any more scary to face than the teams mentioned above, plus AL teams like the Rangers, A's, Angels, Tigers, Yankees, Baltimore, and even Toronto.

There's lots of good teams in baseball. I don't think people realize that not too much separates the #3 through #17 teams in the major leagues. A lot of it depends on injuries, timing, luck, and playing in the right division.

So yea, it's just a video game. The players ratings total them to 17th...big whoop. Video games don't capture hot streaks and chemistry the same way.

Im pretty sure the Braves, Phillies, Rangers, Reds, Cardinals, and Tigers would all disagree about their pitching being over-rated. Their pitching staff has won them 2 WS in 3 years. If the Yankees or Red Sox did that, they'd have their entire staffs rated 99. Again, Im not saying the Giants should be 1 overall, or even in pitching alone, but 9th in pitching and 17 overall for a team that has won it all 2 of the last 3 years is odd when you consider that the rankings have far inferior teams (Red Sox) way ahead of them.

This is one of the reasons I dont like the way SCEA rates people by 3 year average. It underrates breakout guys like Angel Pagan and really overrates veterans who are on the decline. For years Aaron Rowand remained one of the better players on the Giants in the Show despite his clearly declining skills. I just think taking no more than two seasons would potentially lead to a more accurate representation of MLB.

[Bondsfan]

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Exactly. I mean, forget that they won the World Series for a second (for the reasons I listed above).

Their defense is ranked 27th in MLB. Their road ERA is 11th in the NL. Their offense was 12th in MLB. Neither Blanco, Pagan, Pence, Scutaro, Belt, nor Crawford are elite players or top 10 at their positions. Their best pitcher Cain is the 10th best pitcher in the NL. Pablo is OK but hard to call him a star. Posey is their best player, ok cool.

I don't think the Show got them "wrong". They're not a good video game team, lol. Statistically they're not really top 10 in MLB in most categories. They just play really well at the right times in real life, have a good manager, and their results have been better than the sum of their parts. Video games don't capture the human elements.

They're a collection of decent players that played in the right division, got to the playoffs, got hot at the right time and had it going at the right time. If you were building a team, only Posey is a "must have" player. I don't see them being ranked 17th being such a travesty.

Explain to me why the Giants pitching is being rated by their road ERA in your above post while the offense is looked at as their overall? Park factors go both ways, and you are picking and choosing stats. Not to mention, their offense was 12th in MLB last year, as you state, and I agree they were average. They are ranked 22nd in this game. Yes, they lost Melky after the first half, but they gained Pence. Their rating shouldnt be that different. They are an average offensive team playing in a pitchers park with a top 5 rotation and bullpen. You may be able to get lucky and win one WS, but I doubt 2 in 3 years is luck.