Online Ranked Users: Do You Still Look At NBA 2K As A Sim Game?

[JerzeyReign]

This is for my rank NBA 2k players. I singled them out because we cross many different things in our travels - more times than not just a glaring hole in the NBA 2k armor.

We face zones that seem to work to well due to slow passing, superstars taking off from outside the paint to dunk on 2 shot blockers with a man on his hip, huge momentum swings to force the game to be closer than it should, poor inside contact and a host of other things. I'm sure my offline guys as well as strictly sim guys have seen some of these things but if you don't see this stuff constantly it doesn't seem to be a problem. If you see it as much as we do then you'll have to really use all 60 seconds of your timeout just to regain your composure - yes, its like that in our world lol.

I know these guys work hard to make a great game and are basketball fans but to me it seems like they are trying to straddle the fence that EA straddles - with realistic on one side of the fence and fun on the other. Long gone are the NBA 2k11 days in which you could pick a bad team and have a shot against a stronger team if you played good basketball. Now to compete online you have to tip toe the line of sim and cheese. I used to love picking a weak team against a powerhouse - now I have to hide my Sixer fan card and use teams like the Lakers to keep up with the Heat, Thunder and Clippers of the virtual universe.

Why? What happened? Am I the only one who is tired of giving 2k a pass? I honestly no longer look at NBA 2k as a sim standard. I was very high on this game at GamesCom but as I've had time to really sit and play this game over the winter it became more obvious that 2k has lost a step in the sim department.

Am I the only one who feels this way?

[bls]

Definitely not the only one that feels this way. Its no where near sim. They were on the right path with 2k11. Dont know what happened after that. But I do know it comes down to money more than anything else and trying to get a certain fan base. No competition definitely messes things up I dont care what anyone says.

This is just the flip side of the nfl game. No competition on that side and look what weve had to deal with for the last 7 or so years. I really do hope Ea makes a comeback and a strong one at that.

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[daveberg]

Re: Online Ranked Users: Do You Still Look At NBA 2K As A Sim Game?

2k has never been anywhere near sim when it comes to online gaming - and it never will.

It's not the game itself, it's the players.

2 people can hook up and play sim ball any time, anywhere in this game, if both have the same virtual sportsmanship. Both are aware of the flaws and exploits of the game, but choose to play as realistically as possible - this is something that rarely EVER happens.

SIm comes second to winning online. Nearly. Every. Damn. Time.

It's why online gaming continues to be a plague pit of cheesers and abusers.

It woudn't matter if they tweaked the difficulty, or nerfed certain moves. Most gamers would still wash, rinse and repeat the same tired old crap to try and get a win, and if it doesn't work - then they quit. Never a pleasant experience.

Is 2k to blame...really? I mean, every game has its flaws, but 'decent' players like most sim heads will look past that when playing like minded people and play as close to real life as they can, ignoring the thousand pump fakes and spinning around constantly holding turbo blah blah blah. Problem is, there's not enough of us to make up the majority and clean the play of this game up.

[Vni]

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Quick ranked game was never sim.

If you want sim play friends on Hall of fame simulation sliders.

[jason1016]

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2k is always one step forward, two step back.

[bls]

They need to being back lobbies. Its not all the time that you can play against a friend.

And 2k11 was close to it. Minus the spin dunk.

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[Law504]

Re: Online Ranked Users: Do You Still Look At NBA 2K As A Sim Game?

As me being a sim baller i still love this game, a bad team still can beat a elite team, I only use the Cavs and Pistons and have a decent record 300-65, not to bad for facing 98% of elite teams online. Theres a way to beat anything, 131 zone trap, heck i even went up against people that use that crappy shookya 131 scheme which leaves open shooter all day. What i didnt understand that why in the world would you want to stay in that defense when im hitting open 3's, it does get boring cause you see the same thing over and over, Im getting ready to retire early this year unlike earlier 2k version when im playing it till few days the next 2k comes out.

Defense doesnt mean anything this year, a great offense can beat a elite defense anyday, Korver making contested 3's on Tony Allen with his hands up and etc.

[DWades House]

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Online has NEVER been sim. I can't even use my favorite team online because the game allows me to inbound the ball to LeBron and get to the other end of the court and tomahawk dunk while ignoring defense. I can do this 5 or 6 times in a row before he gets a gatorade cup... It feels so cheap.

HOF sim plays the most realistic. I don't why we still don't have ranked HOF lobbies, it would be the most popular feature in the game.

[Optik]

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They need to being back lobbies. Its not all the time that you can play against a friend.

And 2k11 was close to it. Minus the spin dunk.

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How many more times does it need to be said? They aren't bringing lobbies back (THEY SAID SO THEMSELVES), mainly because most people didn't use them, for good reason too, since when they had lobbies, it took so long to get a game and it was difficult to connect to someone.

[bls]

How many more times does it need to be said? They aren't bringing lobbies back (THEY SAID SO THEMSELVES), mainly because most people didn't use them, for good reason too, since when they had lobbies, it took so long to get a game and it was difficult to connect to someone.

Doesnt matter how many times they say it. They need to bring them back.

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[Ramboooo]

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I'd say overall it's a sim game - as far as the gameplay representing real basketball and getting the all the little nuances of the NBA down. Not without flaws tho. My biggest ones are the zone being too overpowered and the fade away 3 glitch shot in blacktop. Also the sig skills have brought a lot of individuality to the players, but also potential for cheese and unrealistic shots being made. I think those could be toned down.

I play mostly my player and blacktop, n this is the most fun I've ever had controlling my my player with the new isomotion. Crossing someone up or picking their pocket is satisfying. I feel like high basketball IQ gets rewarded in blacktop. The good defenders / rebounders / passers / stick skills stand out. A lot of the same tactics from real pickup games can be used in blacktop in those 1on1 battles of figuring out where the opponents going to go n learning their tendencies. Overall a sim game with some flaws imo, maybe could use some of 2K11's collision detection n flow.

[Ramboooo]

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2k has never been anywhere near sim when it comes to online gaming - and it never will.

It's not the game itself, it's the players.

2 people can hook up and play sim ball any time, anywhere in this game, if both have the same virtual sportsmanship. Both are aware of the flaws and exploits of the game, but choose to play as realistically as possible - this is something that rarely EVER happens.

SIm comes second to winning online. Nearly. Every. Damn. Time.

It's why online gaming continues to be a plague pit of cheesers and abusers.

It woudn't matter if they tweaked the difficulty, or nerfed certain moves. Most gamers would still wash, rinse and repeat the same tired old crap to try and get a win, and if it doesn't work - then they quit. Never a pleasant experience.

Is 2k to blame...really? I mean, every game has its flaws, but 'decent' players like most sim heads will look past that when playing like minded people and play as close to real life as they can, ignoring the thousand pump fakes and spinning around constantly holding turbo blah blah blah. Problem is, there's not enough of us to make up the majority and clean the play of this game up.

I said this all b4, but I think there's 2 schools of thought for "sim." Sim playing or Sim environment. Sim players yeah 2 guys could agree to play by a set of rules or try to play as realistically as possible. 2nd one is Sim environment, which pretty much replicates the rules / physics / action reaction of the sport. I'm cool with #2. As long as contesting a shot = affects shot %, or turboing = fatigue, I'm cool with that. Cuz then in that case if I choose to play sim / realistically, I'm rewarded for it. The game can't control how you play, but it could control whether realistic play is rewarded and unrealistic play punished.

[Streaky McFloorburn]

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I don't think you can find the answer to this question in whether or not certain tactics beat others consistently, or if there are "holes in the armor".

I don't play ranked much, but I have plenty of PvP experience against friends who play with varying degrees of realism, including some of the stuff you see from random matchups. I know "Sim" means different things to different people, but to me it's simply the game giving you the tools to play as close to real basketball as possible, whether that means a "Sim environment" like Ramboooo mentioned, or deeper/more fluid dribbling and post mechanics.

More tools means more ways to make the game resemble whatever style you want. Cheesers may be able to act cheesier, but a Sim style plays more realistically as well.

2k11 may have had greater competitive balance in videogame terms, but it also gave you far fewer ways to emulate NBA basketball. On the other hand, 2k13 may be lacking in some aspects, but a huge part of the problem is related to new moves and tactics that don't have effective counters yet and responses to criticisms that didn't have an inspired alternative in mind. This isn't an example of 1 step forward, 2 steps back - or of complacency due to lack of competition. It's just one of the growing pains of a series that adds new gameplay mechanics every year and tries to be all things to all people.

[LoudMouthHoops]

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How many more times does it need to be said? They aren't bringing lobbies back (THEY SAID SO THEMSELVES), mainly because most people didn't use them, for good reason too, since when they had lobbies, it took so long to get a game and it was difficult to connect to someone.

Who says that they have to bring LOBBIES back in order to give Sim gamers what they want....? That being an online Sim experience at a higher difficulty level in games against other like-minded gamers.

Don't tell me it "can't" be done, 2K....because it's being done RIGHT NOW. 2K has separate game matchups for Quick Matches, Quick Match Team Up, and MyTeam.

Why don't they just add ONE MORE....??

My suggestion is to call it HARDCORE Mode. This takes the words "sim" and "casual" out of the way. There is the regular way to play the game(what sim guys call "casual" now on a lower or medium difficulty setting)...and then there is the HARDCORE way - more of a true Sim option on HOF difficulty.

Why is this so DIFFICULT?

The fact is....it's not.

Just one man's opinion, but 2K better wake up to this fact and start at least giving Sim gamers a Sim OPTION online. It's not about whether one side is right or wrong in the whole Sim VS Casual debate.

It's about making a game where BOTH sides are happy. If they don't they risk losing customers from one side or the other. Seems like bad business. When all they have to do is add ONE single option to appease Sim gamers and guarantee they don't lose the money they bring into this game via sales and VC.

[JerzeyReign]

Re: Online Ranked Users: Do You Still Look At NBA 2K As A Sim Game?

Thats a good point but why add something without a proper counter? Why add the right stick dribble moves but allow everyone to do the same ankle breaking moves? I'm not 100% certain that we had signature dribble moves in the past but I know for a fact that all guys were not created equal. Now I'm not against that system as I enjoy it but giving them all the same abilities had to be mentioned in the process. They left it in so they could reach the casual gamers. NBA 2k used to be a game in which you had to practice to be good. Now if you hold the sprint button and flick the R stick you'll probably be decent. They turned the other cheek on this and didn't give it their normal sim approach IMO.