NBA 2K13 Video - Roster Update Details (3-12-13)

[Vni]

Re: NBA 2K13 Video - Roster Update Details (3-12-13)

Nope. I tweeted a TON of stats to warrant an increase (and decrease in some cases) for Stephenson.

Did you tweet them when Gerald Green was playing like prime M.J?

[JazzMan]

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Did you tweet them when Gerald Green was playing like prime M.J?

**** just got real...

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[ksuttonjr76]

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Did you tweet them when Gerald Green was playing like prime M.J?

Actually, I did. My twitter account is ForRightNow76....feel free to look. Having to tweet my "recommendations" is stupid as h*ll anyways. Admittedly, I've been tweeting mostly positive changes of late, but Gerald Green and DJ Augustine were really the only Pacers "overrated" on the team.

The only thing that I care about at this moment is Roy Hibbert getting the Defensive Anchor signature skill, Paul George being changed to 6'9", and Stephenson getting a boost. Once that's done, I could care less about these weak *ss roster updates. If 2K Sports still had the 2K Insider blog, I would care a lot more about how "accurate" the Pacers' ratings and accessories were. IMHO, the Pacers should have 3 players in the 80's (Hill, George, and West) based on overall numbers, Hibbert would be in the high 70's based on his defensive attributes, and Stephenson would be in the low 70's. I already reviewed their stats on nba.com and made some of the changes on my game roster for giggles to determine what their overall ratings would be.

In reality, I would have nerfed Green even further. His shooting form is easy to master, his athletic attributes makes him a monster, and he has a lot of hot zones. When I do play online, I still kill people with Green, because the game is so freaking offense focused. Green and JR Smith are those type of players who are "good" videogame wise unless you start nerfing the physical attributes.

[Vni]

Re: NBA 2K13 Video - Roster Update Details (3-12-13)

Only kidding man

That's cool if you really did tweet them though (wich I don't doubt). That kind of annoys me that teams's fans always ask for boost but never to nerf their players. I mean If I was a Pacer's fan and I had Gerald Green playing the way he did in the game, I'd be pretty upset by it and probably would never just never play him.

[giftedchick]

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... IMHO, the Pacers should have 3 players in the 80's (Hill, George, and West)...

u took it too far

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: NBA 2K13 Video - Roster Update Details (3-12-13)

u took it too far

He can be an 80 . George Hill is actually a pretty solid, steady combo guard. 14.5 PPG (13th among PGs-3rd scoring option on a low scoring team), 3.9 RPG (6th among PGs), 4.8 APG, 2.8 AST/TO (7th among PGs), .95 SPG, and .38 BPG (8th among PGs).

Here's his season shotchart...
Click here.

Since the All-Star break, he took a slight dip in PPG, APG, and RPG, since Stephenson has picked up more of the defensive rebounding and fastbreak duties (a decision which has helped Indiana overcome their early season offensive woes). As a side note, Hill's APG may have decreased, but his A/T ratio has increased to 3.8 after the All-Star break. Hill primarily protects against kickouts after an offensive rebound (on defense) and fastbreak leakouts. As a result of shift in roles, his SPG (1.2) and BPG (.5) has increase while shooting 52.9 FG% and 43.8 3PT%.

Believe me when I say this...Indiana is no near what it should be rated

[ksuttonjr76]

@giftedchick, I'm not trying to be a butthead. Sorry about that. This conversation/disagreement reminds me exactly of how the 2K Insider blog used to be like. The blog had a nice checks and balances, because people couldn't make crazy recommendations without having to prove it to the other posters. Also, the Insider did communicate with the community, and he always came off as a cool dude to me.

That's why I get so angry that we have to use Twitter has a means to communicate with the Insider. The previous method worked, and it was efficient.

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[LD2k]

Re: NBA 2K13 Video - Roster Update Details (3-12-13)

That's why I get so angry that we have to use Twitter has a means to communicate with the Insider. The previous method worked, and it was efficient.

The future looks bright. We're hearing the community.

[giftedchick]

Re: NBA 2K13 Video - Roster Update Details (3-12-13)

@giftedchick, I'm not trying to be a butthead. Sorry about that. This conversation/disagreement reminds me exactly of how the 2K Insider blog used to be like. The blog had a nice checks and balances, because people couldn't make crazy recommendations without having to prove it to the other posters. Also, the Insider did communicate with the community, and he always came off as a cool dude to me.

That's why I get so angry that we have to use Twitter has a means to communicate with the Insider. The previous method worked, and it was efficient.

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lol its cool... ive said before that the pacers are one of the main team i use online and i agree with you that theyre underrated/underskilled in this game... but imo george hill hasnt been much of a factor as he should be this season and i feel like dj could do the same or better given the same minutes.. i was surprised when they gave up collison in favour of him

[ksuttonjr76]

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The future looks bright. We're hearing the community.

Don't tease. To bring back the 2K Insider Blog or something similiar would be a step in the right direction for roster and accessory updates. Before it was discontinued, it had a pretty good roster/stat/accessory community. Also, it was the place where a global recommendation of a particular rating was made and the Insider followed through. I remembered that the change made the game soooooooooo much better online. Also, he would create polls to gauge the overall opinion of a particular player, before he made a major "shakeup" to particular rating.

IMHO, the blog made the Insider's job easier, because all the information he needed was right there in that blog. Plus, it made basketball that more fun for me to watch, because I was paying attention more to the "little things" about my squad.

[H8terhatesU]

They should also update Deshawn Stevenson's 3pt rating. He's currently shooting .400% from the 3 point line compared to .285 from last season. His current 3pt rating still reflects last season.

[mango_prom]

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The future looks bright. We're hearing the community.

I hope it's not some useless gimmick like some facebook/twitter thing to talk to the "insider". All we need are people that watch games and look at advanced stats. It's not like we're criticizing fancy details like shoe colors being off, but core elements of roster accuracy. So for example if Bosh is more skilled at close shots than Brook Lopez, that's not reflecting real basketball but some fantasy league that doesn't exist.

The same with tendencies and playbooks. And the fact that 2k simply renamed plays that were already broken in 2k12 while ignoring the real NBA when creating tendencies and ratings makes me think that it's probably not a matter of "hearing the community" or "streamlining roster updates", but more about a real lack of knowledge and/or interest in realistic rosters.

So hopefully the roster issue will not be used as a marketing gimmick to boost sales (I can think of a few nice slogans already). Maybe there are some guys at 2k that don't like the direction of the product themselves and would improve rosters but simply aren't allowed to.

Anyway, only speaking for myself...looking at the way rosters were handled this year I doubt that I'll be spending money on 2k14 unless there's some real improvement on core issues. Should AI playcalling remain broken for the 4th year straight, big market favourites like Amare being better defenders than the Nick Collisons of the league while broken plays and tendencies get copy/pasted to the next version again, I think 2k might lose quite a few customers.

[Streaky McFloorburn]

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I hope it's not some useless gimmick like some facebook/twitter thing to talk to the "insider". All we need are people that watch games and look at advanced stats. It's not like we're criticizing fancy details like shoe colors being off, but core elements of roster accuracy. So for example if Bosh is more skilled at close shots than Brook Lopez, that's not reflecting real basketball but some fantasy league that doesn't exist.

The same with tendencies and playbooks. And the fact that 2k simply renamed plays that were already broken in 2k12 while ignoring the real NBA when creating tendencies and ratings makes me think that it's probably not a matter of "hearing the community" or "streamlining roster updates", but more about a real lack of knowledge and/or interest in realistic rosters.

So hopefully the roster issue will not be used as a marketing gimmick to boost sales (I can think of a few nice slogans already). Maybe there are some guys at 2k that don't like the direction of the product themselves and would improve rosters but simply aren't allowed to.

Anyway, only speaking for myself...looking at the way rosters were handled this year I doubt that I'll be spending money on 2k14 unless there's some real improvement on core issues. Should AI playcalling remain broken for the 4th year straight, big market favourites like Amare being better defenders than the Nick Collisons of the league while broken plays and tendencies get copy/pasted to the next version again, I think 2k might lose quite a few customers.

Try to keep in mind that even if these areas have become a real point of emphasis, it may not be reflected perfectly in 2k14. Think about how many years it took them to solve their online stability issues even when it got to the point that they knew it could have a significant impact on sales. But they clearly were listening, and just a few short years after being one of the game's most constant sources of complaint, there's barely a peep about connection drops, not being able to get into a match, or unplayable amounts of lag.

It's much harder to change corporate culture (and budgets) than to physically do the work needed to improve, and I think you hit the nail on the head when you said, "Maybe there are some guys at 2k that don't like the direction of the product themselves and would improve rosters but simply aren't allowed to." It's probably most of them. Programmers and artists are the last people who are likely to maintain a peaceful state of mind when forced to deal with inconsistent data and compromised vision. Unless they have a habit of hiring folks who have great contempt for NBA basketball, even the previously uninitiated ones would probably learn enough about the area of the game they work on to recognize the same flaws we do.

I hope that people stick to their guns when they threaten not to buy the next game if certain issues aren't addressed, then make it known that they didn't purchase it for those reasons. That's where real consumer power lies.

[mango_prom]

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Try to keep in mind that even if these areas have become a real point of emphasis, it may not be reflected perfectly in 2k14. Think about how many years it took them to solve their online stability issues even when it got to the point that they knew it could have a significant impact on sales. But they clearly were listening, and just a few short years after being one of the game's most constant sources of complaint, there's barely a peep about connection drops, not being able to get into a match, or unplayable amounts of lag.

It's much harder to change corporate culture (and budgets) than to physically do the work needed to improve, and I think you hit the nail on the head when you said, "Maybe there are some guys at 2k that don't like the direction of the product themselves and would improve rosters but simply aren't allowed to." It's probably most of them. Programmers and artists are the last people who are likely to maintain a peaceful state of mind when forced to deal with inconsistent data and compromised vision. Unless they have a habit of hiring folks who have great contempt for NBA basketball, even the previously uninitiated ones would probably learn enough about the area of the game they work on to recognize the same flaws we do.

I hope that people stick to their guns when they threaten not to buy the next game if certain issues aren't addressed, then make it known that they didn't purchase it for those reasons. That's where real consumer power lies.

I agree with everything you've said and I don't expect perfection, not at all. Can't happen and it's not like stuff like synergy data will lead do definite conclusions on all topics, so I get that a lot of my complaints are subjective.

On the other hand, if someone gets significant minutes in Minnesota he should be in the game, simple as that. Also, while ratings and tendencies can not be objectively determined, there should be at least some logic behind it. I'm not talking about small differences in terms of +2,-1 or whatever. Scaling across the league should make sense, with ratings not based on reputation or popularity, but by comparing performance in categories relevant to certain in-game values.
So I'm not complaining about minor tweaks, but at least different tiers of skill shoud be acknowledged.

So for 2k14 I don't expect much, it would be enough if I could notice an attempt to fix these issues. There doesn't need to be a revolution, and a lot of the work is already done. 2k could literally copy/paste a lot of stuff regarding playbooks/rosters from community attempts.
And I'm not saying that everything about these projects is perfection, but issues like scaling attributes, formulas for ratings based on real stats, tested playbooks and so on have been adressed and could be a great foundation for future changes to how 2k handles rosters.

But in the end I also have to respect the opinions of many fans out there who want to enjoy a fast paced action game with their favourite NBA idols.
It's not my definition of a fun experience, but they've paid money for this game as well. So they have the same right as me, which means "sim" might continue to be not exactly the priority for future installments. In the end, 2k should care about how to attract the biggest market possible. If this means going more into a realism based direction, I'd love that for sure.

But even though I hope that a certain other company might release a more mature product sometime, you have to acknowledge that 2k is still in business, so their success proves that they do the right thing with their games.

[jayska23]

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2K is embarrassing themselves that they still have this clown that they call the "2K Insider". I remember when the game was shipped he messed up the Dwight Howard trade he still had Josh McRoberts & messed up the trade deadline. I'm not sure how the guy still has a job after messing up common sense things, you could tell some random person that doesn't even play 2k do things like that. And there is no reason that there is still 11 people are missing it would be one thing if the Insider was sooo busy editing tons of players around the league every update but so far this month he's edited 6 players he edited 19 in February, seems like he's been super busy lately. The ratings are just as embarrassing I don't even want to go into them they're so embarrassing. Please 2K Sports were going into the next gen of gaming please hire someone that actually watches basketball.