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  • mango_prom
    Pro
    • Oct 2008
    • 737

    #76
    Re: NBA 2K13 Video - Roster Update Details (3-12-13)

    I think the main issue is not even that 2k might neglect whatever "sim" means (it's subjective after all), but that many basic aspects get ignored. And I get that much of potential freedom in designing a game is determined by the direction your company forces you into and the fact that their current approach has proven to be successful. So if you pitch ideas for any change, the answer might be "why?", and it's a valid one. If realism does not translate into sales, you won't convince anybody.

    Still, 2k13 doesn't lack the fancy stuff, but the simplest things. So if a player drives left 60% of the time in real life and the game does not reflect that, complaining about this would be a bit excessive. But that's not the point. Even though I remember a 2k dev talking about exactly this kind of tendency mentioning Jason Terry as an example back for 2k10 or 11 I think. Nowadays it's Jay-Z...

    You don't need to be an experienced software developer to simply take some unknown low rated free agent, change his name and appearance to Mickael Gelabale and put him on the Wolves.

    You don't need to be a D1-level coach to simply test plays and delete all the broken ones. It's not rocket science. Or simply copy/paste them from another roster.

    Your don't need to spend a lot of cash on fancy advanced game analysis where sites like hoopdata provide useful stats that could easily be converted to in-game ratings by tools that could easily be developed by anybody with basic programming knowledge.

    You don't need to completely rebuild in-game AI if simply fixing the way plays get called and distributed could vastly improve a realistic game experience. Get rid of scripting and let touches and random specific play selection be all that matters.


    So the touches issue might be harder to fix than I think. But all the other points have repeatedly been fixed by some random strangers on the internet who can do this in their free time after they're finished with their real job/uni/whatever. How hard can it be for a multi-million dollar company?

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    • PPerfect_CJ
      MVP
      • Oct 2011
      • 3693

      #77
      Re: NBA 2K13 Video - Roster Update Details (3-12-13)

      Originally posted by LD2k
      The future looks bright. We're hearing the community.
      If you're hearing us, then where are the missing players???
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      • mango_prom
        Pro
        • Oct 2008
        • 737

        #78
        Re: NBA 2K13 Video - Roster Update Details (3-12-13)

        Originally posted by PPerfect_CJ
        If you're hearing us, then where are the missing players???
        They could at least explain what's the problem. An honest "We're done, not much more coming for 2k13" would be better than claiming that "the insider" and even a "team" are "working" on roster updates.

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        • Vni
          Hall Of Fame
          • Sep 2011
          • 14833

          #79
          Re: NBA 2K13 Video - Roster Update Details (3-12-13)

          Originally posted by PPerfect_CJ
          If you're hearing us, then where are the missing players???
          They are at the 'hearing' stage right now. They're hearing things.

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          • Goffs
            New Ork Giants
            • Feb 2003
            • 12279

            #80
            Re: NBA 2K13 Video - Roster Update Details (3-12-13)

            Originally posted by LD2k
            The future looks bright. We're hearing the community.
            Cool! 2k insider finally gone? Better updates for lower tier teams and not just the top tier teams? I'll believe it when I see it...

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            • mango_prom
              Pro
              • Oct 2008
              • 737

              #81
              Re: NBA 2K13 Video - Roster Update Details (3-12-13)

              Originally posted by Vni
              They are at the 'hearing' stage right now. They're hearing things.
              And that's exactly the problem. You don't need a "hearing stage" to get the basic stuff right. Issues like scaling individual ratings/tendencies, testing plays before you put them into the game and maybe even add one or two missing players aren't something you need the community to "listen to" for.
              You can't have a discussion about how good a player shoots from a certain spot on the floor or how often he drives to the basket.
              Opinions don't matter, there are facts you either reproduce in you game or not. What should we talk about? "Is Kobe shooting 34% from 3 this year?"...it doesn't matter what our opinion is. Doesn't change the facts. Rosters should be based on reality, not on online discussion, maybe by incorporating some twitter/facebook 2kinsider gimmick for 2k14...

              It doesn't make any sense, "listening" wouldn't even be necessary if they knew what they're doing in the first place. We don't need 2k devs having daily meetings with everyone registered at OS to talk about roster updates. But what about watching games, looking up stats and testing plays before you assign them to a team? Why not base ratings and tendencies on the real NBA instead of some biased big market fantasy arcade game?
              Last edited by mango_prom; 03-16-2013, 09:30 AM.

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              • PPerfect_CJ
                MVP
                • Oct 2011
                • 3693

                #82
                Re: NBA 2K13 Video - Roster Update Details (3-12-13)

                Originally posted by PPerfect_CJ
                If you're hearing us, then where are the missing players???
                Gee. I can't believe LD2K didn't answer my question....
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                • JazzMan
                  SOLDIER, First Class...
                  • Feb 2012
                  • 13547

                  #83
                  Re: NBA 2K13 Video - Roster Update Details (3-12-13)

                  Originally posted by PPerfect_CJ
                  Gee. I can't believe LD2K didn't answer my question....
                  Oh I don't know, maybe because it's not his job to add the missing players into the roster.
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                  • PPerfect_CJ
                    MVP
                    • Oct 2011
                    • 3693

                    #84
                    Re: NBA 2K13 Video - Roster Update Details (3-12-13)

                    Originally posted by tyklug2013
                    Oh I don't know, maybe because it's not his job to add the missing players into the roster.
                    Then whose job is it?! I'd think he would know THAT. Point is, we are all sick and tired of it. It's become a joke and that's really sad.
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                    • LD2k
                      2K Sports Community Manager
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 1261

                      #85
                      Re: NBA 2K13 Video - Roster Update Details (3-12-13)

                      Originally posted by tyklug2013
                      Oh I don't know, maybe because it's not his job to add the missing players into the roster.
                      Nope.

                      I did submit this thread for feedback to the Insider however.
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                      • mango_prom
                        Pro
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 737

                        #86
                        Re: NBA 2K13 Video - Roster Update Details (3-12-13)

                        Originally posted by LD2k
                        Nope.

                        I did submit this thread for feedback to the Insider however.
                        You know, it's great that you actually respond to us. On the other hand, if complaints of some more sim oriented gamers "are being heard", what will you do if all the younger big market arcade fans don't like a game reflecting the real NBA, for example for making a guy like Tristan Thompson a better offensive rebounder than Dwight (true in reality, not in 2k13...) or removing the "closer" sig skill which is utter nonsense if you look at actual real life performance?
                        2k can't make everyone happy, and the majority is simply not interested in accurate rosters outside of the most popular teams. The same with ratings, tendencies and playbooks. So why should 2k make a few hundred people happy and disappointing thousands of clueless homers? Even tough they don't know much about basketball, they pay money for the game, too.

                        I would even go as far as saying that putting emphasis on realism instead of childish gimmicks and big market bias might lead to a bigger potential sales hit or at least unsatisfied customers than continuing to disappoint the small more mature audience you find in the online community.

                        So the whole talk about "being heard" might sound great, but looking at video games as a business, it makes more sense to hire semi-competent people working on rosters, who like basketball somewhat but don't care if they have to create a fantasy game for a big casual audience.
                        Having coaching experience or real competence might not be that helpful if it isn't even required to do the job.

                        I'd like more attention to reality for future games, but there isn't much money to be made from that, so I'm doubtful.

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                        • Vni
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Sep 2011
                          • 14833

                          #87
                          Re: NBA 2K13 Video - Roster Update Details (3-12-13)

                          Originally posted by LD2k
                          Nope.

                          I did submit this thread for feedback to the Insider however.
                          Steve Nash fully deserves defensive anchor now and Dwight Howard 3pts rating should be at least a 75. He's been draining threes at a high rate the last 25 games.

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                          • xVenomx91
                            Rookie
                            • May 2011
                            • 125

                            #88
                            Re: NBA 2K13 Video - Roster Update Details (3-12-13)

                            while u are at it josh smiths 3 should be a 91 he thinks he is ray allen by taking at least 3 3 pointers a game

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                            • mango_prom
                              Pro
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 737

                              #89
                              Re: NBA 2K13 Video - Roster Update Details (3-12-13)

                              Originally posted by Vni
                              Steve Nash fully deserves defensive anchor now and Dwight Howard 3pts rating should be at least a 75. He's been draining threes at a high rate the last 25 games.
                              Dwight missed a dunk against Phoenix, so his dunking rating should be lowered to 50 I think. Let's vote...

                              Also, we should have a poll to finally settle the question "Does Lebron deserve to be a 99?". The majority should decide, right? I propose that your vote counts twice if you wear a Heat jersey.

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                              • LD2k
                                2K Sports Community Manager
                                • Oct 2010
                                • 1261

                                #90
                                Re: NBA 2K13 Video - Roster Update Details (3-12-13)

                                @mango_prom Hear you loud and clear. I've personally had many discussions with the team regarding roster updates.

                                The notion that we "do not care about rosters" is simply not true. There is a lot of feedback and criticism, and within that, there are some great ideas by many people. I do my best to bring forward ideas with emphasis on roster updates to the team.

                                What can the title improve on? What can title evolve?

                                Making the product better in every regard is something our dev. team strives for.
                                Last edited by LD2k; 03-19-2013, 02:01 PM.
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