MLB 2K13 Initial Reviews Quite Negative

[Baile]

Re: MLB 2K13 Initial Reviews Quite Negative

From what I understand, both MLB the Show and MLB 2k's games this year have not been ground-shaking improvements upon their respective franchises. So how is it that the Show '13 gets the same score, if not better, than '12, while MLB 2k13 gets a 4, even though the game a year ago got, what, a 7.5 or something?

The honest answer to that will create too much of a stir around here, so let's just call it the Paul Dean/Billy Chow factor. Paul Dean was this poor little kid I knew growing up who everyone at school picked on, just because they could and without consequence. But nobody picked on Billy Chow. He was 6 foot tall and weighed 240 lbs at the age of 14. Nobody said boo to him.

[steelereign]

You know how many 9 inning games I've played the past 3 years? 0. I spend almost all my time with this game testing the game engine, playing 3-inning test games to observe things like hit variety and ball physics. The hit variety and ball physics are entirely a byproduct of the player ratings and slider settings, interacting with the game engine. This game hasn't changed in years in that regard. If you want to see MLB-realism when it comes to hit variety and ball physics, simply lower hitting ratings way down. I have a test roster where every player is rated 25 (0 actually) in every catagory. In many ways, that roster plays more like MLB baseball than any roster I have in which players are rated above 25.

If you're seeing better ball physics and more hit variety, it's because the devs lowered player ratings and/or tweaked the default slider settings. Because I understand they didn't even bother to update the opening to the game, and simply used the one from last year. So there's just no way they spent any time with something as complex as the game engine. They haven't done that in years, why would they suddenly do that now that the series is defunct?

Okay, maybe that's true. But, for the majority of people who play baseball games, those slider/ratings changes made a difference out of the box. I would imagine that most have no interest in evaluating the game to the depth that you do.

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[dalger21]

Re: MLB 2K13 Initial Reviews Quite Negative

I was interested in getting MLB2K '13 (or '12) simply to see how good the "My Player" (or whatever the equivalent to RttS is) was. I know that the 2K games have traditionally done poorly in regards to the other game but wanted to give it a try. Perhaps I'll pick up '12 since there seems to be a consensus that '13 is just a rehash of '12. Any input about that would be greatly appreciated.

[steelereign]

I was interested in getting MLB2K '13 (or '12) simply to see how good the "My Player" (or whatever the equivalent to RttS is) was. I know that the 2K games have traditionally done poorly in regards to the other game but wanted to give it a try. Perhaps I'll pick up '12 since there seems to be a consensus that '13 is just a rehash of '12. Any input about that would be greatly appreciated.

The consensus seems to be to stick with 12, and I can't argue against that. If you like slider adjustments then there seems to be little reason to go with 2k13.

If your primary reason is to play My Player then stick with 12. I don't play that mode, but from what I've read, there is no change to that mode.

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[Baile]

Re: MLB 2K13 Initial Reviews Quite Negative

Perhaps I'll pick up '12 since there seems to be a consensus that '13 is just a rehash of '12. Any input about that would be greatly appreciated.

If you don't have either game, I would think having the Astros in the AL would be a worthwhile reason to get 2K13.

[dubcity]

Re: MLB 2K13 Initial Reviews Quite Negative

Why would a company discount their new product just because there is still inventory of their old product in the market? Car manufacturers roll out the same model of car year after year with minimal, if any changes. They don't drop the MSRP because there is a used car market.

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Well, I have a hard time going along with that analogy. A used copy of MLB 2K12 is literally the same as a brand new one in terms of the quality of the product. That's not the case with a used car. A better analogy would be college textbook companies reprinting the same book year after year, buying up all the previous editions from campus bookstores, and ripping off students by charging full price for the same book year and after year. I'm sure 2K would have attempted to buy up used copies if they actually cared enough about this project. Yeah, it's the free market at work, but that doesn't mean they should be free from criticism and derision.

[dubcity]

Re: MLB 2K13 Initial Reviews Quite Negative

If you don't have either game, I would think having the Astros in the AL would be a worthwhile reason to get 2K13.

But is it worth the 40-45 dollar price difference?

[Mt Oread]

Re: MLB 2K13 Initial Reviews Quite Negative

Well, I have a hard time going along with that analogy. A used copy of MLB 2K12 is literally the same as a brand new one in terms of the quality of the product. That's not the case with a used car. A better analogy would be college textbook companies reprinting the same book year after year, buying up all the previous editions from campus bookstores, and ripping off students by charging full price for the same book year and after year. I'm sure 2K would have attempted to buy up used copies if they actually cared enough about this project. Yeah, it's the free market at work, but that doesn't mean they should be free from criticism and derision.

This is fundamentally not true. We can debate the value of the improvements to AI, team colors, and updated rosters and alignments, but it's completely false to call it the equal in quality. It may still be a better value to get 2K12, but the problem with the reviews is that they ignore that in favor of childlike tantrums.

The reviews are not a disservice because they didn't like 2K13, they are a disservice because they failed to actually review the game instead of the business plan. Discussing the the business plan and how that value relates to the gamer is only worthwhile if they actually address the game. There is no indication to me that they actually played for more than 30 minutes before acting out like 5-year-olds.

[steelereign]

That's a subjective decision. To me it was.

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[dubcity]

Re: MLB 2K13 Initial Reviews Quite Negative

This is fundamentally not true. We can debate the value of the improvements to AI, team colors, and updated rosters and and alignments, but it's completely false to call it the equal in quality. It may still be a better value to get 2K12, but the problem with the reviews is that they ignore that in favor of childlike tantrums.

I was referring to a used copy of 12 vs a new copy of 12. The depreciation (or lack thereof) in value of a used game is kinda different than that of a used car. Is MLB 2k13 worth 40-45 dollars more than 2K12 right now? I don't think it's childlike at all to look at things from a consumers perspective first and foremost. If a critic just sat back and said, "yeah, it's not worth anywhere near $60, but it's still a good game and you should definitely buy it," that would be ridiculous to me.

[steelereign]

Well, I have a hard time going along with that analogy. A used copy of MLB 2K12 is literally the same as a brand new one in terms of the quality of the product. That's not the case with a used car. A better analogy would be college textbook companies reprinting the same book year after year, buying up all the previous editions from campus bookstores, and ripping off students by charging full price for the same book year and after year. I'm sure 2K would have attempted to buy up used copies if they actually cared enough about this project. Yeah, it's the free market at work, but that doesn't mean they should be free from criticism and derision.

They are not literally the same. I feel that 2k13 is better. Not by a landslide, maybe only by the width of mosquito's eyelash. But enough for me.

I agree that this game is due criticism. I guess we disagree on the price. Trust me, I would have preferred to pay less. But that wasn't going to happen, nor did I expect it to.

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[dubcity]

Re: MLB 2K13 Initial Reviews Quite Negative

I agree that this game is due criticism. I guess we disagree on the price. Trust me, I would have preferred to pay less. But that wasn't going to happen, nor did I expect it to.

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I didn't either. It would have been a breath of fresh air though, right?

[steelereign]

I didn't either. It would have been a breath of fresh air though, right?

For sure.

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[Carlos_917_PR]

for me my opinion is that mlb2k basesball game was the bomb when kush games were their developer after mlb2k6 when they add the world baseball classic to the game they leave 2k sports and 2k basesball went to failure.

[Baile]

Re: MLB 2K13 Initial Reviews Quite Negative

for me my opinion is that mlb2k basesball game was the bomb when kush games were their developer after mlb2k6 when they add the world baseball classic to the game they leave 2k sports and 2k basesball went to failure.

We tend to remember the past as being better than it actually was. Have you actually tried playing 2K5-6 recently? I did last year. Apart from the zone hitting, the game is plain awful in every aspect. 2K11 and up are absolutely the best this series has achieved in the past 8 years, by far. 2K5-6 were actually the beginning of the end for this series. They took World Series Baseball and turned it into a broken, glitchy cartoon mess. The critics panned it and gamers stopped playing it, and for good reason.