NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

[mango_prom]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

Chandler Parsons: 15 ppg shooting 48 FG% and 38% 3P% -> 60 consistency (+15)
J.R. Smith : 17.5 ppg shooting 41 FG% and 35% 3P% -> 75 consistency (+15)

Of course...

Having troubles with adding cyberfaces or stuff like that is one thing. But if your roster editors have no f*cking clue about the league their game is supposed to "simulate", it's an entirely different thing.
But maybe devs are actually laughing at these complaints, don't know. 2k won't see my money again...

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

In case anyone is wondering, here are the tweets that I made about the Pacers. Feel free to dispute them...

@NBA2KInsider Change Paul George's position to SF/SG. 61% of his minutes are at SF and 14% at SG this season.

@NBA2KInsider PG24's Active Hands should be PickPocket SS. Most of his steal come from passing lanes and on-ball...http://goo.gl/0kqQz

@NBA2KInsider Paul George is averaging 1.95 SPG since ASW. Increase STL rating above 78 and DEF above 82. Leads league in DWS at 6.26.

@NBA2KInsider Raise Hibbert's BLK/LPD/DAWR ratings. He's been 2nd-4th in BPG all season. 9th 2nd chance PTS and 1st PIP allowed Post-ASW.

@NBA2KInsider For past 10 games, Hibbert averaged 18.2 PPG, 9.8 RPG, on 48.6 FG%, Needs slight increase in OAWR, DREB, HUS, LPO, and SIT.

@NBA2KInsider According to http://espn.com and http://nba.com , Hibbert is listed as 280 lbs. Please change.

@NBA2KInsider George Hill has a 3.77 AST/TO since ASW which makes him "6th" among PGs. He needs minor increases to PASS, HND, and SEC.

@NBA2KInsider Give David West Post Playmaker. He averages 3.0 APG (3rd Among PFs), 21.3 AST% (2nd), and 1.44 AST/T

[mango_prom]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

@ksuttonjr76

First of all, I agree with everyone who wants more attention for small market teams...having said that, I don't like all these minor rating tweaks if a player is lighting it up for a week. That's not because I don't like Hibbert, dude is underrated as hell. So are the Pacers in general. And as a Mavs fan, I'd love to have one of the underrated Pacers bigs or maybe George Hill instead of the crap Dirk has to put up with this year...But it's not like abilities and skills these guys have worked on their whole life are lost after a few bad games or suddenly there because of a hot streak.

In my opinion, rating adjustments during a season should be reserved for young prospects who show real progress in terms of adapting to the NBA, and also maybe veterans showing decline of athletic ability and stuff like that. All should be based on trends we can see over the course of the whole season.

It's the same with a player like J.R. Smith. His last few games were pretty great, but even with these great performances, his stats for the whole season are below his career averages. So I agree that 2k should show some love to small market teams, but not based on a few games.

[Streaky McFloorburn]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

It's not even because Hayward is playing well, it's the fact that they had his rating wrong to begin with and haven't touched it since 2k11

This is a very good point. Hayward's scoring has gone up because his usage has increased, but it's not like he's made some huge leap in every area of his game. He's been underrated since he came into the league. I did find 3 specific areas of improvement though.

1) He's taking better care of the ball. At first it didn't look like it because his TO/G are identical to last season and his ast/TO down, but with his larger ballhandling responsibility, this means TOs are occuring at a much lower rate (almost 4% better than last season and more than 7% better than his rookie year).

2) Attacking the basket more off the dribble. The majority of his shots at the rim are still assisted, but this season he's created 8% more of them with the ball in his hands, which also shows in his lower FG% and larger blkd%, but more importantly, his vastly improved and1% (34th in the league) and steadily improving free throw rate (50th).

3) On-ball defense. His improvement doesn't show up in any of the basic stats, or even the catch-all advanced defensive measurements. But he has become one of the best players in the league at taking charges (34th again), which shows that he is now consistently beating players to the spots they want to get. Considering that his quickness numbers at the draft combine were nothing special (though his speed was very good), this suggests that his defensive awareness has increased greatly.

So that's Off/Def Awr, Ball Hndl/Sec, and Hustle ratings, as well as Draw Foul/Take Charge tendencies that probably need to be increased, as well as the ratings from the earlier thread devoted to him. I'd guess it's enough to put his OVR somewhere around 77-78.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

@ksuttonjr76

First of all, I agree with everyone who wants more attention for small market teams...having said that, I don't like all these minor rating tweaks if a player is lighting it up for a week. That's not because I don't like Hibbert, dude is underrated as hell. So are the Pacers in general. And as a Mavs fan, I'd love to have one of the underrated Pacers bigs or maybe George Hill instead of the crap Dirk has to put up with this year...But it's not like abilities and skills these guys have worked on their whole life are lost after a few bad games or suddenly there because of a hot streak.

In my opinion, rating adjustments during a season should be reserved for young prospects who show real progress in terms of adapting to the NBA, and also maybe veterans showing decline of athletic ability and stuff like that. All should be based on trends we can see over the course of the whole season.

It's the same with a player like J.R. Smith. His last few games were pretty great, but even with these great performances, his stats for the whole season are below his career averages. So I agree that 2k should show some love to small market teams, but not based on a few games.

By no means was my post meant as a spit on the other teams outside of LA, NYC, and Miami. I totally agree with you that other teams need attention too, but what I'm noticing is that the "2K Insider" is mainly following the twitter posts. I make these minor recommendations, because the 2KInsider is not, from what I can tell, using any other tool to determine who he gives decreases/increases to. Basically, every change made to the Pacers was a result of my tweets. Plus, all player edits were a result of the Twitter posts, and people have been crying "foul" on JR Smith for about 2-3 weeks now.

I have "@NBA2KInsider" as a saved search, and I can safely say that 95% of the player edits was made due to Twitter. Real talk, Haywood is not getting a boost, because I might have seen his name mentioned 1-2 times in the past 1-3 months. I'm trying recall if anyone has ever mentioned the Mavs other than Vince Carter's 3PT rating.

The reality is this...the 2K Insider is some dude paid to make injury rotations, lineup changes, and appease big market twitter users.

EDIT:
FWIW, the Pacers have been one of the better teams all season, since their poor start in November. They just don't get the "respect" they deserve.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/56255/building-an-offense-in-indiana

H*ll...their national televised Friday game on ESPN against OKC was bumped for the Heat/Bobcats game. It made sense when Miami was on their historic run, but they decided to keep the game although Miami's streak was broken.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

Here's a link...

https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=nba2kinsider&src=savs

Use the CTRL+F to search the posts made to the 2KInsider about various players.

[hear me now]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

shumperts 3 is the same at a 76 that whats even more strange...thats the only plausible increase he could have had

Yeah, he needed his three increased and his dunks reduced.

[cj2008nw]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

How the hell did Shumpert get and INCREASE?!

Because he's starting to play better then when he originally came back from his ACL tear and the only thing that increased was consistency

[LoSoisNiCEx414]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

Shumpert should have never been 80 IMO, he is a 70s player, esp now

[cj2008nw]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

Shumpert should have never been 80 IMO, he is a 70s player, esp now

Well before he tore his ACL he was a key Role Player with the Knicks who had a lot of good games last season but back from ACL tear he should only be a 75 or 74 at best

[cj2008nw]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

Chandler Parsons: 15 ppg shooting 48 FG% and 38% 3P% -> 60 consistency (+15)
J.R. Smith : 17.5 ppg shooting 41 FG% and 35% 3P% -> 75 consistency (+15)

Of course...

Having troubles with adding cyberfaces or stuff like that is one thing. But if your roster editors have no f*cking clue about the league their game is supposed to "simulate", it's an entirely different thing.
But maybe devs are actually laughing at these complaints, don't know. 2k won't see my money again...

Basketball is not a stat based game

[JazzMan]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

Basketball is not a stat based game

Stats are the best thing that we have to measure players other than film. And of course, 1 guy isn't going to watch every single game and study every single player, especially if he ignores all but 20 guys.

[kc1nyk]

hmm.. interesting

Harkless and O'Quinn need to be increased.

And whatever happened to MyTeam Updates? Where the hell is KMart and why is Redick still on the Magic and TRob still on the Kings? If anyone on the OS squad or anyone who is in contact with Ronnie2k PLEASSSSEEEEEEEEE ask him to update MyTeam because i want KMart on my MyTeam and its hard to find traded people like redick. And they need to add silver signature skills BACK TO THE ROTATION!!!! And why don't Copeland and Prigoni's value increase and decrease they just stay at 500 vc

[cj2008nw]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

Stats are the best thing that we have to measure players other than film. And of course, 1 guy isn't going to watch every single game and study every single player, especially if he ignores all but 20 guys.

I understand what your saying but you also have to add in the number of minutes and shot attempts if your going to use stats don't just throw out percentages because that's never really going to be that accurate and if 2k does have an Insider I think he should watch EVERY game and I catch enough Knicks games to see that Shumpert has improved since being back and I don't have a problem with him getting a boost in consistency

[JazzMan]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

I understand what your saying but you also have to add in the number of minutes and shot attempts if your going to use stats don't just throw out percentages because that's never really going to be that accurate and if 2k does have an Insider I think he should watch EVERY game and I catch enough Knicks games to see that Shumpert has improved since being back and I don't have a problem with him getting a boost in consistency

Who said we weren't accounting for minutes?

JR Smith is shooting a career-low of 30+ minutes and increased shot attempts. Therefore, he shouldn't have as high consistency that he has.

You may not have a problem with Shumpert getting bumped, but has he been a consistent shooter since his return?

Meanwhile, a guy like Enes Kanter is averaging 7.2 ppg and 4.3 rpg in 15 minutes. His rebounding ratings and midrange shot (which he is also improving) are way too low.

I'm not even going to comment on Hayward. That's just ridiculous. No excuse for not upgrading him. Refer to Streaky's post.