NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

[cj2008nw]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

I was trying to avoid this conversation, but know I feel like that I got to jump in.



I'm calling B.S. right now. Basketball IS a stat-based game. Period. There are some intangibles that can't be measured, but most of the NBA 2K ratings can be DIRECTLY linked to a basketball stat.

Anytime I read this comment, it's always someone who want to give out ratings based on "reputation" and "overall career" instead of the CURRENT season that the player is playing now.

When I examine the New York Knicks roster, Smith, Shumpert, Kidd, Martin, and Camby are more than likely overrated. However, I'll get to that in a moment.

out of all the Knicks players you named the only player that is overrated is Camby and maybe Kidd.... and Kenyon Martin has been a good pick up for the Knicks this season

Basketball is not Baseball YOU CANT NOT JUDGE A PLAYER based on stats alone let alone ratings....

you have to look at how they are getting their points and what kind of offensive system they are running for a player and what scoring option they are on the roster

[JazzMan]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

The sad thing is that if Hayward was on either LA team, Knicks, Heat, Celtics, or OKC he'd be sitting at 80 right now.

[cj2008nw]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

Again, he's having a career year because of increased shot attempts and minutes. Percentage-wise, this is his worst season yet.

Sorry that I'm not a Knicks fan.

LOL I'm not a Knicks fan either but i'm not going to down a player having a good season because he plays for a big market team and I'm guessing your team is in a small market smh ...

If you feel like your team and favorite players aren't being updated fine but don't bash Smith because the Insider isn't doing his job

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

As for J.R. Smith...the first thought that comes to my mind is how is an one-dimensional offensive player rated higher than a well-rounded player like Paul George?

When I review his PER production at 82games.com, I can see that his defensive stats (DAWR, DEF, STL) are overrated. When Smith is playing SG, he's basically outscoring his opponent. When Smith is playing SF, his opponents are lighting him up offensively.

The Knicks have the 3rd highest ORTG, so Smith's high rebounding is more a product of the high number of available possessions. As a result, his DREB rating is too high as well.

Now, either Smith's MED rating is overrated or Paul George's MED is underrated. George is shooting 37% and Smith is shooting 40% since ASW, but there's a 10 point gap between the two. Lastly, his LAYUP and SIT ratings might be high too, since he's completing 66.7% of his driving layups.

In short, Smith's an athletic, scoring machine who has a good jumper who can explode for high number of points on any given night which makes Microwave a good signature skill to have for him. Other than that, I really didn't see too many other stats that wasn't too far-fetched for him.

[JazzMan]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

LOL I'm not a Knicks fan either but i'm not going to down a player having a good season because he plays for a big market team and I'm guessing your team is in a small market smh ...

If you feel like your team and favorite players aren't being updated fine but don't bash Smith because the Insider isn't doing his job

I'm not downing him. He scores well, but he's inefficient. He's just average defensively, as well.

This isn't just a Jazz fan bashing on a big market team player. If anything, I think JR is a solid player, but should never be a number 1 option, which is what he is on 2k. I mean some kids will play 2k13 and jack up 25 shots with JR and only shoot like 4 or 5 times with 'Melo. That ain't right.

I'm guessing your team is a big market team, smh LOL

[stillfeelme]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

out of all the Knicks players you named the only player that is overrated is Camby and maybe Kidd.... and Kenyon Martin has been a good pick up for the Knicks this season

Basketball is not Baseball YOU CANT NOT JUDGE A PLAYER based on stats alone let alone ratings....

you have to look at how they are getting their points and what kind of offensive system they are running for a player and what scoring option they are on the roster

This video game uses numbers to correlate to certain stats in real life at least it tries to for association, quick play online etc. The further you get away from stats the game becomes perception to get a player a "rating". J.R. Smith is a volume scorer who is given more opportunites to shoot in NYC. Check out his numbers for FG attempts and FG% in March and April and three point shooting he is all over the board up and down but one thing is up is his attempts. He is the definition of streaky

[UnfriendlyBG]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

maddeningly inconsistent...an enigma

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[ksuttonjr76]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

out of all the Knicks players you named the only player that is overrated is Camby and maybe Kidd.... and Kenyon Martin has been a good pick up for the Knicks this season

Basketball is not Baseball YOU CANT NOT JUDGE A PLAYER based on stats alone let alone ratings....

you have to look at how they are getting their points and what kind of offensive system they are running for a player and what scoring option they are on the roster

You could judge a player MOSTLY by stats in basketball. How do you think players, agents, and GMs decide what type of contracts to sign?

nba.com/stats and youtube videos....tells me everything I need to know about a player.

Reviewing Martin's ratings, there are a few ratings that I might question such as DAWR, OREB, STDNK, DEF, and STL. I would have to review video and stats to be 100% sure.

[cj2008nw]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

As for J.R. Smith...the first thought that comes to my mind is how is an one-dimensional offensive player rated higher than a well-rounded player like Paul George?

When I review his PER production at 82games.com, I can see that his defensive stats (DAWR, DEF, STL) are overrated. When Smith is playing SG, he's basically outscoring his opponent. When Smith is playing SF, his opponents are lighting him up offensively.

The Knicks have the 3rd highest ORTG, so Smith's high rebounding is more a product of the high number of available possessions. As a result, his DREB rating is too high as well.

Now, either Smith's MED rating is overrated or Paul George's MED is underrated. George is shooting 37% and Smith is shooting 40% since ASW, but there's a 10 point gap between the two. Lastly, his LAYUP and SIT ratings might be high too, since he's completely 66.7% of his driving layups.

In short, Smith's an athletic, scoring machine who has a good jumper who can explode for high number of points on any given night which makes Microwave a good signature skill to have for him. Other than that, I really didn't see too many other stats that wasn't too far-fetched for him.

I agree with you that Smith's defense is somewhat overrated. ...

and JR Smith creates EVERYTHING off the dribble either it's 3pt Shots, Mid range shots or any attempts at the rim

Paul George is in a better offensive system and is flourishing well... I like Paul George a lot I think he can continue to be an all star in this league if he can learn how to take games over instead of playing so passive

[stillfeelme]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

As for J.R. Smith...the first thought that comes to my mind is how is an one-dimensional offensive player rated higher than a well-rounded player like Paul George?

When I review his PER production at 82games.com, I can see that his defensive stats (DAWR, DEF, STL) are overrated. When Smith is playing SG, he's basically outscoring his opponent. When Smith is playing SF, his opponents are lighting him up offensively.

The Knicks have the 3rd highest ORTG, so Smith's high rebounding is more a product of the high number of available possessions. As a result, his DREB rating is too high as well.

Now, either Smith's MED rating is overrated or Paul George's MED is underrated. George is shooting 37% and Smith is shooting 40% since ASW, but there's a 10 point gap between the two. Lastly, his LAYUP and SIT ratings might be high too, since he's completing 66.7% of his driving layups.

In short, Smith's an athletic, scoring machine who has a good jumper who can explode for high number of points on any given night which makes Microwave a good signature skill to have for him. Other than that, I really didn't see too many other stats that wasn't too far-fetched for him.

Yeah once you start comparing players there starts to be a bunch of question marks because the insider is cherry picking which players to edit based off feedback or it seems popularity but he isn't normalizing the whole roster.

[cj2008nw]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

I'm not downing him. He scores well, but he's inefficient. He's just average defensively, as well.

This isn't just a Jazz fan bashing on a big market team player. If anything, I think JR is a solid player, but should never be a number 1 option, which is what he is on 2k. I mean some kids will play 2k13 and jack up 25 shots with JR and only shoot like 4 or 5 times with 'Melo. That ain't right.

I'm guessing your team is a big market team, smh LOL

and if it is so what?! who cares but I'm not going to nitpick at other teams players because my players aren't being updated that just childish and immature.. and at one part of the season Smith WAS the first option and he was able to Carry the offensive load while Melo was out... I doubt Parsons would be able to do that

[ksuttonjr76]

Yeah, I saw that when I was looking into Smith's SOD rating. I read that 83% of his points are unassisted. That's crazy.

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[ksuttonjr76]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

Yeah once you start comparing players there starts to be a bunch of question marks because the insider is cherry picking which players to edit based off feedback or it seems popularity but he isn't normalizing the whole roster.

That's why 2K Sports needs to bring back the 2K Insider blog back. Man, you would have dudes (like myself) who would get upset about something (bandwagon fan, groupie, etc), and they'll start looking at ALL the players from other teams. As result, players were getting downgraded just to get them properly aligned with other players. For example, Joel Anthony's 93 BLK rating, Corey Brewer's 84 STL rating, and the high number of 90+ OREB ratings would be on my hitlist right now. In NBA 2K11, there were a couple of "global" adjustments made when users would post such information.

[JazzMan]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

and if it is so what?! who cares but I'm not going to nitpick at other teams players because my players aren't being updated that just childish and immature.. and at one part of the season Smith WAS the first option and he was able to Carry the offensive load while Melo was out... I doubt Parsons would be able to do that

How many times must I repeat myself to get this through your thick skull of yours? I am NOT bashing JR because my team is getting neglected by the Insider. I'm bashing him because he has flaws in his game that are NOT replicated on 2k.

He's not nearly as consistent as he is on 2k.

Regarding him being the number 1 option: that's where his FG% took a big dip. He took poor shots because he felt that he had to play hero ball, and look what happened: the Knicks fell into a slump and JR's percentages fell. That's not a consistent player or a number 1 option. He benefits off playing with 'Melo.

I never said Parsons was a number 1 option, I said he is a better overall player than JR. Better defender, better rebounder, better rebounder, better facilitator, more efficient shooter, and simply a better player than JR.

I'll say it again: I like JR Smith. Great scorer, but he's inconsistent and inefficient at the only thing that he is expected to do.

[LoSoisNiCEx414]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

Wow Joel Anthony has a block rating higher than LARRY SANDERS!! Lol