NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

[Angel_G]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

J.R. Smith is way better than Parsons, maybe Parsons had an off night or whatever this one time I saw him play all he did was shoot 3s if he wasn't open he would just pass out just like Steve Novak. J.R. can hit game winners and he can play defense of course Parsons has the size advantage for rebounding. J.R. can also go to the hoop get fouled, dunk or make a layup so he doesn't just shoot. If they swapped him for Mayo the Mavs would be in the playoffs no question.

[LoSoisNiCEx414]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

Mayo >JR anyday.

[Scramz718]

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You could judge a player MOSTLY by stats in basketball. How do you think players, agents, and GMs decide what type of contracts to sign?

What are you serious? Stats are misleading players don't get contracts base on stats. NBA teams use SCOUTS not STATS to evaluate talent!!!

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

What are you serious? Stats are misleading players don't get contracts base on stats. NBA teams use SCOUTS not STATS to evaluate talent!!!

Stats = Production on the court, and I did use the word "mostly". Since stats are misleading, I guess James White can command a contract more than Rudy Gay next season, because the scouting reports will say that James White is a "gifted athlete". Also, do you think that the Miami Heat sent scouts to observe Lebron James to determine if he was worth the max contract offer?

EDIT:
Information is kinda old, but you get the point.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

[cj2008nw]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

How many times must I repeat myself to get this through your thick skull of yours? I am NOT bashing JR because my team is getting neglected by the Insider. I'm bashing him because he has flaws in his game that are NOT replicated on 2k.

He's not nearly as consistent as he is on 2k.

Regarding him being the number 1 option: that's where his FG% took a big dip. He took poor shots because he felt that he had to play hero ball, and look what happened: the Knicks fell into a slump and JR's percentages fell. That's not a consistent player or a number 1 option. He benefits off playing with 'Melo.

I never said Parsons was a number 1 option, I said he is a better overall player than JR. Better defender, better rebounder, better rebounder, better facilitator, more efficient shooter, and simply a better player than JR.

I'll say it again: I like JR Smith. Great scorer, but he's inconsistent and inefficient at the only thing that he is expected to do.

I don't think you watch basketball I think you just read stats because if you actually sat down and watched the games you wouldn't say that and all the responses your giving me are what people used to say about him years ago based on reputation...

anybody that knows basketball would never say Chandler Parsons is better than JR Smith

and if he's so inefficient why does he have a higher EFF rating than Parsons and Parsons actually starts LOL...

IDK why you think Parsons is so good... he's just a better Carlos Delfino to me

[cj2008nw]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

Stats = Production on the court, and I did use the word "mostly". Since stats are misleading, I guess James White can command a contract more than Rudy Gay next season, because the scouting reports will say that James White is a "gifted athlete". Also, do you think that the Miami Heat sent scouts to observe Lebron James to determine if he was worth the max contract offer?

EDIT:
Information is kinda old, but you get the point.
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

Your worst than a ESPN NBA writer LOL

Spurs and the Thunder Arguably have the best scouts in the NBA.... The Spurs have drafted so many Second round Players and have turned them into LEGITIMATE starters and Role Players... and BY STATS... they would have never signed Danny Green who actually has been a GREAT role player for the Spurs and fits their style of basketball... or Boris Diaw or Stephen Jackson LOL.,... basketball goes much deeper than advanced stats and percentages..... they only tell you what you make and what you miss but don't explain why or how or your basketball IQ

[mpac]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

Jeremy Lin still not A+ on IQ. this is madness!

Just kidding. Surprised all are fighting over ratings here. Calm down.

[Letemburn]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

Harmless has been playing great. He should have got a bump along with Vuc, and Harris. could argue oquinn should have got a small bump also.

[zniv]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

Harmless has been playing great. He should have got a bump along with Vuc, and Harris. could argue oquinn should have got a small bump also.

Harkless literally just got bumped in the last update. O'Quinn is wildly inconsistent and has had 4 good games all season.

[ksuttonjr76]

Your worst than a ESPN NBA writer LOL

Spurs and the Thunder Arguably have the best scouts in the NBA.... The Spurs have drafted so many Second round Players and have turned them into LEGITIMATE starters and Role Players... and BY STATS... they would have never signed Danny Green who actually has been a GREAT role player for the Spurs and fits their style of basketball... or Boris Diaw or Stephen Jackson LOL.,... basketball goes much deeper than advanced stats and percentages..... they only tell you what you make and what you miss but don't explain why or how or your basketball IQ

And you're worst than a politician. Answer my original question. Did the Miami Heat use scouts to determine Lerbron's worth before offering the near max contract to him?

Also, you're comparing apple to oranges when you're talking about college PROSPECTS moving up to the NBA level, and you're just trying to introduce something new to "prove" your point. We were discussing the NBA...NOT college athletes, but since you want to act like Mr. Know-It-All, lets go ahead and explore that.

First off and what I stated NUMEROUS times already, stats are not the be all end all to everything. Next, NBA stats are the END results of some sort of production, and can be used to a degree to measure basketball IQ. If you have PG A who's averaging 5 TOPG and 1 APG vs PG B who's averaging 5 TOPG and 11 APG, PG A better have some other talents to bring to the table before a coach lets him run the offense.

Scouts are used for college prospects, because COLLEGE stats are not an indication of how SUCCESSFUL a player can be in the NBA. Why? It's a DIFFERENT type of game, pace, mentality, and competition when compared to the college level. Also, contract conversations doesn't matter, because contracts are based on the position of where the player was drafted at. When a player is a rookie, his agent doesn't have any leverage to "negotiate" his contract. However, when a player's ROOKIE contract is over what do you think they're going to use to determine the amount of his next contract?

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I find it funny that 2k updates all these Knicks players except Prigioni, who has been starting for them during the win streak

[Maccy46]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

Harkless literally just got bumped in the last update. O'Quinn is wildly inconsistent and has had 4 good games all season.

Agree. I like Kyle and he has shown promise but there's nothing you can touch now until maybe the last update.

[diehardknicksfan]

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If u never watch a knicks game you would not no how different j.r. Is playing. He's making geting to the rim the #1 opinon. And making the step back jumpshot the last desperate option. J.r. Is far from a one dimensional playr ksuttonjr. One of the best rebounding guards. Solid to sometimes above average defender.

And why are y'all comparing a guy Who is a second option on his team to parsons who is at best the third option who's only way of scoring is the three or points in transition. Chandler parsons is a good player with a good future but he can't even create his own shot. Parsons is in the prefect situation for his skill set.
If he was put in j.r. Position. I'm not even sure he could put up 40% shooting with all the bail out shots j.r. Has to take. When using stats u have to take them in to context as well.

Paul George is a good player with a good future but he is kinds overrated. Not a good mid ranged shooter. His handles are suspect. Dosent draw alot of fouls. And every year his FG% gets worse and worse. That's probably due to his usage getting higher. But that also tells you he can't be a highly efficient first option player and is more of a second option. He is never going to be a great scorer like some people think unless he starts drawing more fouls. As of now he is a good 3pt shooter who can drive to the rim with no mid game and suspect handles who dosent draw alot of fouls when he drives and if we wanna just use stats. There's not much of a difference between j.r smiths PER and George's . J.r 16.9. George 17.4


Happy to see the magic get some respect finally. Might use them now since they gave Tobias and vucevic some respect.

[mango_prom]

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If u never watch a knicks game you would not no how different j.r. Is playing. He's making geting to the rim the #1 opinon. And making the step back jumpshot the last desperate option. J.r. Is far from a one dimensional playr ksuttonjr. One of the best rebounding guards. Solid to sometimes above average defender.

Really? Smith takes 5.5 threes and 4 midrange shots per game. So no, that's not desperation at all.

When using stats u have to take them in to context as well.

Alright, let's put it into context...

And why are y'all comparing a guy Who is a second option on his team to parsons who is at best the third option who's only way of scoring is the three or points in transition.

Parsons actually is the second option on the Rockets. He's their 2nd best scorer and only Harden takes more shots. Oh, and talking about 3s...Parsons does not even attempt more three pointers than Smith...so all of your statements are simply objectively wrong.

If he was put in j.r. Position. I'm not even sure he could put up 40% shooting with all the bail out shots j.r. Has to take. When using stats u have to take them in to context as well.

Let's say Parsons or Hayward would play on the Knicks instead of Smith and put up their usual efficient stats while Smith chucks away in Houston or Utah. Please tell me, would you still defend J.R. if he wasn't playing for your favourite team?

Also, bailout shots? Really? Without going into depth, the Knicks are a very well built team and a coach who knows how to make the pieces work. Actuall, Smith is in a very comfortable position on this team. He can get away with bad shots since the Knicks are winning. But playing for the Bobcats or Hornets, you surely wouldn't like him as much.

Basically, to me J.R. Smith is not much more than a glorified Ricky Davis...

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: NBA 2K13 Roster Update Details (4-3-13)

If u never watch a knicks game you would not no how different j.r. Is playing. He's making geting to the rim the #1 opinon. And making the step back jumpshot the last desperate option. J.r. Is far from a one dimensional playr ksuttonjr. One of the best rebounding guards. Solid to sometimes above average defender.

And why are y'all comparing a guy Who is a second option on his team to parsons who is at best the third option who's only way of scoring is the three or points in transition. Chandler parsons is a good player with a good future but he can't even create his own shot. Parsons is in the prefect situation for his skill set.
If he was put in j.r. Position. I'm not even sure he could put up 40% shooting with all the bail out shots j.r. Has to take. When using stats u have to take them in to context as well.

Paul George is a good player with a good future but he is kinds overrated. Not a good mid ranged shooter. His handles are suspect. Dosent draw alot of fouls. And every year his FG% gets worse and worse. That's probably due to his usage getting higher. But that also tells you he can't be a highly efficient first option player and is more of a second option. He is never going to be a great scorer like some people think unless he starts drawing more fouls. As of now he is a good 3pt shooter who can drive to the rim with no mid game and suspect handles who dosent draw alot of fouls when he drives and if we wanna just use stats. There's not much of a difference between j.r smiths PER and George's . J.r 16.9. George 17.4


Happy to see the magic get some respect finally. Might use them now since they gave Tobias and vucevic some respect.

When the refs start calling those contact fouls when he drives to the hole, then he'll get those chances. However, that's a discussion for the Pacers Digest forum. Don't get me started here.

The drop in FG% is more from the transitioning of moving from a spot-up 3PT shooter (the previous coach's expectation of him) to being more of a slasher (putting pressure on defense while deferring to Granger/West/Hibbert) to being the Alpha Dog (caused by Granger's season-ending injury).

According to 82games.com, he has good ball-handling skills for his size and for a player who wasn't a facilitator in college. He only has 63 ball-handling turnovers given how often he's handles the ball in fastbreaks and half-court sets. If anything, Pacers Nation is more upset over how often he turns the ball over on passes (being too cute or passing up shots) than when he's stripped on the perimeter. The general belief is that his handles will get tighter as he get more and more confident/comfortable of being the Alpha Dog, and his passing turnovers will decrease as he learns more of what to do and not to do. To give it more perspective...George didn't really become the "Alpha Dog" until January. As for his mid-range game, he's still kinda streaky. However, 37% shooting is not necessarily horrible.

Personally, I wasn't part of the Parson/Smith conversation. I left that one alone.