NCAA Football 14 Video - First Look at New Gameplay Engine

[tfer717]

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:32-:45 shows me nothing new. The first cut that they show down by the feet looks horrendous. The players foot is warping for like 5 yards. We will still have zig zag running. It just looks so damn fast and glitchy. Not to mention it still looks like the players have plungers up their butt.

[Big FN Deal]

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I cringed looking at the video posted by Big FN Deal, it's was quite terrible. They have the funds to bring in actual players to motion cap, but they put their own guys in those suits to capture them seriously? The guy playing the offensive linemen doesn't even move like a one, same with the one playing the defensive linemen. So it has me rethinking are the problems really tied to the engine or is the lack luster patchwork animations, because it's really go me thinking its the animation cause back then they actually brought in players.

That's exactly where I am at. RyanMoody21 has some stuff on Youtube that will have you not knowing what to believe about EA football and he is just playing stuff Tiburon has said, not his interpretation. I am so interested in the new consoles because I want to see are decisions if like that a thing of the past and we are truly in a new era of EA football gaming or is that "force" behind those type of design decisions still there. This weird obsession with Users being able to branch out of any animation, regardless of momentum or inertia and this focus of creating a video game instead of recreating football, like Sage mentioned, hopefully won't carryover to the new consoles.

If they do though, the good news is this is the last exclusive year for the NCAA license and hopefully the NFL exclusive too.

[dxdude2004]

Th thing about the option is that not all types are designed to put up "big points." It all depends on how aggressive a team is. Hopefully EA gets that...

[Jeremy.Horne.SC]

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Not getting on the hype train until I see that the mirror/psychic defense is gone.

[slick589]

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Not getting on the hype train until I see that the mirror/psychic defense is gone.

At this point I don't think there is anything they can do about it.

It seems like they programmed defenders to be tethered to the football instead of a man or zone assignment. It's ridiculous seeing all 11 defenders move the same way the ball carrier does the split second it happens. It screams lazy and it screams EA/Tiburon

[Gap Integrity]

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I remember they didn't think to have an animation for QB's to walk up to get under center, so Ian went in and did the walk up animation . I mean sometimes it does seem like these guys are clueless.

It's mind boggling. Heck they could go to a local high school and get guys who are coached basic fundamentals to do things like that. Give them a free copy of the game for helping. I seriously can't comprehend how such a huge company with what would seem very deep pockets for this game can cut corners that are so pivotal to the products authenticity. With the changing of the guard atop EA, you wonder if things will get better or worse. They have to realize they are sitting on a potential goldmine with an outstanding college game. The NFL is huge, but college football is everywhere. Things appear better going forward, But when I was playing NCAA titles 10 years ago, I guess I thought this series would have went so much further than it has by now.

I remember the first time I played a 360 version of NCAA after finally shelving my old PS2 I had played so many good games on. I remember clearly thinking when I played that first 360 game how amazing the graphics looked, but how dull the atmosphere felt, then how poorly the players jerked and twitched around when they ran. It's like the removed their hips and backs. They stopped leaning into the runs and cuts.... then I thought... ahh they'll fix that......

[Sundown2600]

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Thanks to Sim for dropping in with some knowledge and thanks to the guys who asked some great follow up questions.

So is it settled then? This gen EA football games are hampered by the weak engine that Madden 06 was built on? So is it unrealistic for anyone to expect major improvements current gen due to this? If yes, I can understand that.

What disturbs me most about this is the fact that ppl refuse to stop buying these games current gen (myself included I'm no hypocrite.) Our lust for football blinds us. Even if EA screws up the foundation next gen and we find ourselves in another 8-9 yrs cycle of disappointment one thing is certain...ppl will go out and buy their football games.

[Sundown2600]

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I remember the first time I played a 360 version of NCAA after finally shelving my old PS2 I had played so many good games on. I remember clearly thinking when I played that first 360 game how amazing the graphics looked, but how dull the atmosphere felt, then how poorly the players jerked and twitched around when they ran. It's like the removed their hips and backs. They stopped leaning into the runs and cuts.... then I thought... ahh they'll fix that......

Had a huge smile on my face after reading that because I was in the exact same place back then, as many of us were. I kept saying to myself "the player movement would be fixed."

[adub88]

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Thanks to Sim for dropping in with some knowledge and thanks to the guys who asked some great follow up questions.

So is it settled then? This gen EA football games are hampered by the weak engine that Madden 06 was built on? So is it unrealistic for anyone to expect major improvements current gen due to this? If yes, I can understand that.

What disturbs me most about this is the fact that ppl refuse to stop buying these games current gen (myself included I'm no hypocrite.) Our lust for football blinds us. Even if EA screws up the foundation next gen and we find ourselves in another 8-9 yrs cycle of disappointment one thing is certain...ppl will go out and buy their football games.

I hear ya. We all know without a shadow of a doubt, there is a company that could produce a better quality product than EA, but our love for NCAA and NFL football causes us to buy the game just to feed our football fix. I remember back in the ps2 days I could play for 8hrs a day, now it's like I can barely finish one game. The fun factor is just not there anymore, unless your playing against another human.

[kingsofthevalley]

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I remember the first time I played a 360 version of NCAA after finally shelving my old PS2 I had played so many good games on. I remember clearly thinking when I played that first 360 game how amazing the graphics looked, but how dull the atmosphere felt, then how poorly the players jerked and twitched around when they ran. It's like the removed their hips and backs. They stopped leaning into the runs and cuts.... then I thought... ahh they'll fix that......

Yes sir. Now its been what, 8-9 years?

[buck2303]

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That's exactly where I am at. RyanMoody21 has some stuff on Youtube that will have you not knowing what to believe about EA football and he is just playing stuff Tiburon has said, not his interpretation. I am so interested in the new consoles because I want to see are decisions if like that a thing of the past and we are truly in a new era of EA football gaming or is that "force" behind those type of design decisions still there. This weird obsession with Users being able to branch out of any animation, regardless of momentum or inertia and this focus of creating a video game instead of recreating football, like Sage mentioned, hopefully won't carryover to the new consoles.

If they do though, the good news is this is the last exclusive year for the NCAA license and hopefully the NFL exclusive too.

The more and more I play Madden and EA sports games Im starting to realize its just a game of pre determined animations that you can't break out of. Until they fix that issue it will never be realistic. Them already having to redo the infinity engine is a bad sign and that video didn't look realistic at all.. Something just doesn't look right same with madden this year..

[IUxHOOSIERS]

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sorry if this was already mentioned, but I think this will be a lot like Madden 13 was this year. A lot of gliding and skating around the field. Which could be a good thing.

[GetReal]

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bugs aside 13 is a tech marvel under the hood if you are a programmer, but when its time to replicate football it fails because no one building it understands football.

and this is so obvious when you look at the unis, accessories etc, its the attention to detail thats lacking, getting some arm bands arm sleeves right does not require writing a new code or beta testing or 2 production meetings..

My god. This makes so much sense it's not even funny. And the devs wonder why we complain about "small stuff" like long hair, sock length, face masks, etc

When Ben fixes something we complain about, I feel like he takes a jab at the community in the vids. It's his team's job to make sure most of the aspects of football are in his product no matter how minuscule the problem might be.

[The_Rick_14]

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Them already having to redo the infinity engine is a bad sign and that video didn't look realistic at all.. Something just doesn't look right same with madden this year..

Where did it say they are redoing IE? Everything I've heard is that they simply kept improving on it from its last version, not redo it.

[deacon21206]

This is still not true physics. It is better animations yes, but not physics (check the vid again when you see the WR get clipped and thee other players have on effect on his body and landing). The trucks are tied to animations. So was the stiff arm. They were smaller backs completely running over bigger defenders and knocking them off of their feet.
The cutting was better to see finally, but again if the broken tackles are tied to animations and not positioning then it totally useless tech. Please it looks better, but if everything is still tied to animations and not momentum and positioning. It is only cosmetic.
I wonder if the O-Line double teams on pass protection yet?
Is there real total control passing this year or is it just dictated int's again and high jumping defensive players?
EA you look good again, but the smoke and mirrors have to stop at some point.