Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Episode 19 with NCAA Football 14 Producer

[tical2399]

No he is not.

I was more referring to the GC as a whole not this parties in this interview.

[WFColonel56]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Episode 19 with NCAA Football 14 Producer

The reason I say you never say it to them is because on any radio show or podcast that the GC are part of none of you EVERY say it on those public airwaves.

You may say it to the devs at events, but what I'm saying is why don't the GC who have actual radio shows ask on those shows and put the rep in the hot seat and make him give an honest non scripted answer on why they ignore the hardcore fundamentals you preach about.

You say you said it at the last event, why not ask them on the air so their answer is on the record. You claim I've never met any of you, and that is true, but to be honest who cares. The fact is some of you have shows/podcasts and I've NEVER heard that question asked EVER.

How about you build your authority in the gaming community and get an interview with a dev and you can ask all of the hardball questions that you want to.

NONE of the gamechangers owe you what you are asking for here. All they owe anybody is to bring their own communities observations, point of view, and ideas to the devs to improve the game. They represent their own community members. As long as they take care of their duties they are good to go. ANYTHING EXTRA, IS EXTRA

If I were a gamechanger or a person conducting the interview I would tell you to kick rocks with open toed sandals. They dont owe you a podcast. They dont owe you a blog about the features. And they damn sure dont owe you answers to your questions about features. They do what they do out of the kindness of their heart and to inform the community as much as possible about the happenings. NOT TO MENTION THEY HAVE DAY JOBS

Dont direct your frustrations with EA toward the gamechangers or people who direct interviews. Its childish, if you want to vent at least vent at the right people.

Like I said, if you want to get the devs on public airwaves and ask hard questions all you have to do is build up your authority in the gaming world.

[roadman]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Episode 19 with NCAA Football 14 Producer

Or a person can apply to become a GCer on the the CGer's website and fill out an application.

That's why I questioned if the interviewer was a CGer because we were discussing this podcast, I've only listened to a few minutes of the last GCer podcast and they were just asking questions back and forth without a developer on the podcast.

The last podcast was too long for me, over 1 hr long.

[Big FN Deal]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Episode 19 with NCAA Football 14 Producer

How about you build your authority in the gaming community and get an interview with a dev and you can ask all of the hardball questions that you want to.

NONE of the gamechangers owe you what you are asking for here. All they owe anybody is to bring their own communities observations, point of view, and ideas to the devs to improve the game. They represent their own community members. As long as they take care of their duties they are good to go. ANYTHING EXTRA, IS EXTRA

If I were a gamechanger or a person conducting the interview I would tell you to kick rocks with open toed sandals. They dont owe you a podcast. They dont owe you a blog about the features. And they damn sure dont owe you answers to your questions about features. They do what they do out of the kindness of their heart and to inform the community as much as possible about the happenings. NOT TO MENTION THEY HAVE DAY JOBS

Dont direct your frustrations with EA toward the gamechangers or people who direct interviews. Its childish, if you want to vent at least vent at the right people.

Like I said, if you want to get the devs on public airwaves and ask hard questions all you have to do is build up your authority in the gaming world.

This "owe" stuff works both ways, so seeing as EAGC don't owe anyone anything, which they don't, then no one owes them anything either. Posters like the one you quoted, are free do and state whatever they see fit about the program or anything else, within the TOS. Can't have it both ways, if a EAGC or anybody else for that matter, wants to pull the "I speak for myself or my select group not you" card, of course those not represented by them will not support them or what they do. The EAGC program is not above reproach and people having an opinion about it or those participating in it, is their right, just like with anything else.

[roadman]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Episode 19 with NCAA Football 14 Producer

This "owe" stuff works both ways, so seeing as EAGC don't owe anyone anything, which they don't, then no one owes them anything either. Posters like the one you quoted, are free do and state whatever they see fit about the program or anything else, within the TOS. Can't have it both ways, if a EAGC or anybody else for that matter, wants to pull the "I speak for myself or my select group not you" card, of course those not represented by them will not support them or what they do. The EAGC program is not above reproach and people having an opinion about it or those participating in it, is their right, just like with anything else.

I just feel it took the thread off topic, as this isn't a CGer podcast, but that's my opinion.

[Big FN Deal]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Episode 19 with NCAA Football 14 Producer

I just feel it took the thread off topic, as this isn't a CGer podcast, but that's my opinion.

I feel you Road and I won't go too much into this, being off topic myself by doing so. If Mr Haumiller is stating things in an interview that someone listening to doesn't agree with and/or would like to have their voices heard about, the EAGC is seen and often touted as that outlet. There are pros and cons to that being the case so it's unreasonable for anyone to expect the good without the bad.

Not directed at you Road but just a general question, if that poster had praised the EAGC program for helping get something in-game mentioned in the interview, would that be seen as off topic?

[mattndaville]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Episode 19 with NCAA Football 14 Producer

I don't like this whole balancing of fun vs realism in terms of casual vs hardcore. Here are two ways to look at this, at least in my opinion:


1) The casual fan won't be turned off by adding more realism to the game. The casual fan is buying the game most likely to have fun with buddies, or to play as his favorite school on the lowest difficulty level in an attempt to make happen what he would like to see transpire in real life.

The hardcore fan on the other hand, wants the game to replicate what he has played or to replicate what he understands through television and being involved in the game to be part of it.

IMO, you won't lose the casual crowd making the game more sim/real.


OR

2) Options. It's simple...give us options. If you play on Freshman or Varsity level then you get a more "arcarde/fun" experience. You play All-American or Heisman, the more about the fundamentals of football you need to understand to be successful.


There are other games that provide options that cater to a vast array of fans/gamers. No reason EA football should be any different.


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[roadman]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Episode 19 with NCAA Football 14 Producer

Not directed at you Road but just a general question, if that poster had praised the EAGC program for helping get something in-game mentioned in the interview, would that be seen as off topic?

I answer with another question.

Around these parts, and yes, I'm starting to go off topic a bit too, do you hear much of any praise for something in-game mentioned in any interview or podcast by CGers?

To answer your question, yes, I would personally feel it's off-topic, positive or negative. This wasn't a GCer podcast, it was a podcast via OS from another website owner.

[WFColonel56]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Episode 19 with NCAA Football 14 Producer

This "owe" stuff works both ways, so seeing as EAGC don't owe anyone anything, which they don't, then no one owes them anything either. Posters like the one you quoted, are free do and state whatever they see fit about the program or anything else, within the TOS. Can't have it both ways, if a EAGC or anybody else for that matter, wants to pull the "I speak for myself or my select group not you" card, of course those not represented by them will not support them or what they do. The EAGC program is not above reproach and people having an opinion about it or those participating in it, is their right, just like with anything else.

Its cool to have an opinion about the GC program. But an opinion on something that you know nothing about isnt a very valuable opinion if you get what I am saying.

Making assumptions and criticizing what they do based on your own frustrations with EA is extremely flawed logic. They can only bring the thoughts, ideas, critiques to EAs door. It is up to the devs to take care of it.

How is any of this fair?????

I'd love for a GC to tell an EA rep that we as a community dont give a damn if every pure casual up and leaves, because there will always be enough hardcore fans out there to more than sustain the series. In fact, making it more hardcore will probably make it MORE popular.

But you won't tell them any of that. You guys don't want to ruffle any feathers, you want to keep your free sneak peaks at the game, you want to keep your (i suspect) free copies of the games, etc. I just wish the GC would ACTUALLY speak for the community instead of just pretending to as EA sanctioned message filters.

How is any of that fair?... To talk **** to them based on an opinion that is formulated on something that he knows nothing about.

Posts like that is why GC didnt come here before. And yet nobody seems to care.

[tical2399]

Its cool to have an opinion about the GC program. But an opinion on something that you know nothing about isnt a very valuable opinion if you get what I am saying.

Making assumptions and criticizing what they do based on your own frustrations with EA is extremely flawed logic. They can only bring the thoughts, ideas, critiques to EAs door. It is up to the devs to take care of it.

How is any of this fair?????



How is any of that fair?... To talk **** to them based on an opinion that is formulated on something that he knows nothing about.

Posts like that is why GC didnt come here before. And yet nobody seems to care.

I'm not concerned with if they come here or not. But EA and the people who have been/currently are GC have stated on the record MANY TIMES that the GC program is a way for EA to communicate with and get feedback from various communities.

If that is what it is intended to do, as all parties have stated in various press releases and at events, then they need to actually do that. Its not a one way thing where EA puts out info and the GC repeat it in public (events, posts of these forums, etc), without our feedback being presented in public.

The reason it's fair is because EA said that was the role of the GC program. IF they had said it's just a reward for our most loyal and outspoken fans, then I think most of us would let it go at that. However since it has been stated by both parties to be one of many official ways to communicate directly with the devs then they need to do that.

If you take on the role of GC then they need to do their job (voluntary I know) and do the things that EA and the GC themselves said it was created to do.

[tical2399]

How about you build your authority in the gaming community and get an interview with a dev and you can ask all of the hardball questions that you want to.

NONE of the gamechangers owe you what you are asking for here. All they owe anybody is to bring their own communities observations, point of view, and ideas to the devs to improve the game. They represent their own community members. As long as they take care of their duties they are good to go. ANYTHING EXTRA, IS EXTRA

If I were a gamechanger or a person conducting the interview I would tell you to kick rocks with open toed sandals. They dont owe you a podcast. They dont owe you a blog about the features. And they damn sure dont owe you answers to your questions about features. They do what they do out of the kindness of their heart and to inform the community as much as possible about the happenings. NOT TO MENTION THEY HAVE DAY JOBS

Dont direct your frustrations with EA toward the gamechangers or people who direct interviews. Its childish, if you want to vent at least vent at the right people.

Like I said, if you want to get the devs on public airwaves and ask hard questions all you have to do is build up your authority in the gaming world.

Actually they do. They owe me, they owe you, they owe everybody who plays EA sports games.

Why? not because I said so, but because EA and the GC themselves have said many times that the GC role is to represent the community and clue the devs into the pulse and desires of the audience.

This is not me saying that, look up any interview about the GC program and they say things like that all the time, so don't go saying i'm just making up what a GC is supposed to be.

That being said, I don't need to get my game cred up and ask myself. I expect him and the other GC to do it as that's what they signed up for.

You cant take all the good that comes with being a GC (trips to studio, free copy, other swag) but none of the bad such as having to ask the tough questions that the community have been begging you to ask, because you don't want the EA PR folks mad at you.

This is not be bashing the GC just to bash them. I'm mad because I like many want vast improvements to the games and EA doesn't provide them. Ok, fine, the least and GC can do is ask on the record why XYZ hasn't been implemented and not let them off the hook until they answer.

[WFColonel56]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Episode 19 with NCAA Football 14 Producer

I'm not concerned with if they come here or not. But EA and the people who have been/currently are GC have stated on the record MANY TIMES that the GC program is a way for EA to communicate with and get feedback from various communities.

If that is what it is intended to do, as all parties have stated in various press releases and at events, then they need to actually do that. Its not a one way thing where EA puts out info and the GC repeat it in public (events, posts of these forums, etc), without our feedback being presented in public.

The reason it's fair is because EA said that was the role of the GC program. IF they had said it's just a reward for our most loyal and outspoken fans, then I think most of us would let it go at that. However since it has been stated by both parties to be one of many official ways to communicate directly with the devs then they need to do that.

If you take on the role of GC then they need to do their job (voluntary I know) and do the things that EA and the GC themselves said it was created to do.

Nowhere does it say the exchange of feedback is public....Positive or Negative

So you want them to tell the devs in private (community day, over email, skype, etc) the issues in the games. And then you want them to tell the devs off over public airwaves just so YOU feel nice and cozy inside knowing that they know the worlds objections about the games. Even though these are the same objections presented to them 5 months ago

[BV11]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Episode 19 with NCAA Football 14 Producer

Nowhere does it say the exchange of feedback is public....Positive or Negative

So you want them to tell the devs in private (community day, over email, skype, etc) the issues in the games. And then you want them to tell the devs off over public airwaves just so YOU feel nice and cozy inside knowing that they know the worlds objections about the games. Even though these are the same objections presented to them 5 months ago

In a way I get where he is coming from, in that he wants this game to be exposed publicly so that the public can see that EA is being told what is wrong with the game and what needs to change, and in turn maybe put more pressure on EA to deliver.

The thing is, by now EA undoubtedly knows what the public, and guys like us want in the game, and what improvements they need to make. The problem is that they never seem to actually make many of those improvements for whatever reason. Be it the limitations of the consoles, laziness on EA's part, who knows EXACTLY the reason.

I'm not sure why he is acting like he knows what the Gamechangers are/aren't telling EA though. I have read many many times different GCs telling EA what needs to be fixed, and it lines up with most of the stuff you see repeated here that people want fixed.

[tical2399]

Nowhere does it say the exchange of feedback is public....Positive or Negative

So you want them to tell the devs in private (community day, over email, skype, etc) the issues in the games. And then you want them to tell the devs off over public airwaves just so YOU feel nice and cozy inside knowing that they know the worlds objections about the games. Even though these are the same objections presented to them 5 months ago

Nowhere does it say feedback is public? REALLY? So you're sitting there with a straight face I assume and saying that all of those posts and interviews/podcasts where the GC tell us how awesome the build they just played is, is not public???

So they can tell us in public how awesome the game is shaping up to be, but they can't tell the devs in public that the community is not happy and wants XYZ?? Right.

[WFColonel56]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Episode 19 with NCAA Football 14 Producer

Nowhere does it say feedback is public? REALLY? So you're sitting there with a straight face I assume and saying that all of those posts and interviews/podcasts where the GC tell us how awesome the build they just played is, is not public???

So they can tell us in public how awesome the game is shaping up to be, but they can't tell the devs in public that the community is not happy and wants XYZ?? Right.

AGAIN they dont HAVE to post ANYTHING.

After EA let out the features on like the 2nd the game changers could have just done nothing. They could have literally left us with no info other than the 1 page of ultra vague description that EA put out.

Out of the kindness of their heart and taking up their free time a lot of GC have answered questions for hours on end on their own community or twitter or written blogs to give the community more insight than that 1 undescriptive page that EA put out.

If they didnt say anything about the features you would be whining about how they arent doing something else that they arent required to do.

Like I said if you want to be the guy to grill the devs on the public airwaves either become a GC yourself or build up your authority in the gaming world to get an interview.