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  • jpdavis82
    All Star
    • Sep 2005
    • 8794

    #181
    Re: Madden NFL 25 Video - Playbook: Run Free with Trey Wingo and Doug Martin

    I sent Clint Oldenburg a tweet with the Charles pic and he replied. "Do you see that icon in the upper right corner?"

    Hopefully this means it's been addressed. I know he hasn't been on the team long, but he doesn't realize that "icon in the upper right corner" in the past hasn't seemed to matter.

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    • roadman
      *ll St*r
      • Aug 2003
      • 26339

      #182
      Re: Madden NFL 25 Video - Playbook: Run Free with Trey Wingo and Doug Martin

      Originally posted by jpdavis82
      I sent Clint Oldenburg a tweet with the Charles pic and he replied. "Do you see that icon in the upper right corner?"

      Hopefully this means it's been addressed. I know he hasn't been on the team long, but he doesn't realize that "icon in the upper right corner" in the past hasn't seemed to matter.
      Ah, the ole reliable WIP icon.

      Let's just hope there is a big announcement at E3 in regards to enhanced blocking interractions.

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      • TreFacTor
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        • Oct 2009
        • 1138

        #183
        Re: Madden NFL 25 Video - Playbook: Run Free with Trey Wingo and Doug Martin

        Originally posted by roadman
        Ah, the ole reliable WIP icon.

        Let's just hope there is a big announcement at E3 in regards to enhanced blocking interractions.
        I figured I wasn't the only one a lil bothered with the response. But if you have someone come in and completely rework the blocking assignments, shouldn't they also notice the blocks lasting a lil too long? And how can pursuit angles be improved if the players closest to the ball carrier aren't allowed to pursue? Might be some huge outside runs again this year.
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        • Reed1417
          MVP
          • May 2012
          • 6121

          #184
          The hunchback running bothers me so much. The stiff arms looked nice though. Just need to see more. It's still early fellas.
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          • Gman 18
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            • Jul 2012
            • 2902

            #185
            Originally posted by jpdavis82
            I sent Clint Oldenburg a tweet with the Charles pic and he replied. "Do you see that icon in the upper right corner?"

            Hopefully this means it's been addressed. I know he hasn't been on the team long, but he doesn't realize that "icon in the upper right corner" in the past hasn't seemed to matter.
            I know this doesn't have to do with gameplay but can you tell clint to tell the art team to give Charles long dreads in madden like irl? Thanx

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            • TheBleedingRed21
              Game Dev
              • Oct 2010
              • 5071

              #186
              Re: Madden NFL 25 Video - Playbook: Run Free with Trey Wingo and Doug Martin

              I think this site would be happier if no information was posted for Madden.

              Every information that has been released is filled with multiple pages of nothing but bashing.

              Anways, the video looked decent. It still has a ways to go but no big time complaints besides the moves need to be slowed down and tuned.

              EDIT::

              Also the video looks to have been sped up quite a bit. One big thing that need to change if they are allowing this moves, take out the hideous jump back move where the defender is laying on the ground before he even jumps back. Looks awful.
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              • Kingd803
                Banned
                • Feb 2013
                • 397

                #187
                Re: Madden NFL 25 Video - Playbook: Run Free with Trey Wingo and Doug Martin

                I thought they removed zig zag running? I saw running without foot planting in there.

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                • jpdavis82
                  All Star
                  • Sep 2005
                  • 8794

                  #188
                  Re: Madden NFL 25 Video - Playbook: Run Free with Trey Wingo and Doug Martin

                  Originally posted by TheBleedingRed21
                  I think this site would be happier if no information was posted for Madden.

                  Every information that has been released is filled with multiple pages of nothing but bashing.

                  Anways, the video looked decent. It still has a ways to go but no big time complaints besides the moves need to be slowed down and tuned.

                  EDIT::

                  Also the video looks to have been sped up quite a bit. One big thing that need to change if they are allowing this moves, take out the hideous jump back move where the defender is laying on the ground before he even jumps back. Looks awful.
                  I think so, at least as far as trailers go. We aren't even at E3 yet and people have already given up on Madden 25. What we are seeing, is footage that is probably 1-2 months old and is still being tuned and worked on as we speak. I understand EA's track record and I understand how things have gone in the past, but at this point(1st week of May) it is just as likely that these things have been fixed and tuned as it is that they won't be by the end of August. I can't tell everyone else what to do or how to feel, but personally I'm waiting until E3 hands on gameplay videos are out before I start to get too concerned about Madden 25.

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                  • jpdavis82
                    All Star
                    • Sep 2005
                    • 8794

                    #189
                    Re: Madden NFL 25 Video - Playbook: Run Free with Trey Wingo and Doug Martin

                    Originally posted by Kingd803
                    I thought they removed zig zag running? I saw running without foot planting in there.
                    Can you give a specific example?

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                    • jbd345
                      MVP
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 2438

                      #190
                      Re: Madden NFL 25 Video - Playbook: Run Free with Trey Wingo and Doug Martin

                      It's the fact that people have way to high expectations for realisim in a video game. This is the last year in this gen. Did people honestly believe that there was going to be some sort dramatic overhaul by now???

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                      • jpdavis82
                        All Star
                        • Sep 2005
                        • 8794

                        #191
                        Re: Madden NFL 25 Video - Playbook: Run Free with Trey Wingo and Doug Martin

                        Originally posted by jbd345
                        It's the fact that people have way to high expectations for realisim in a video game. This is the last year in this gen. Did people honestly believe that there was going to be some sort dramatic overhaul by now???
                        Yeah most likely it will only be 3 months after it releases on 360/PS3 that it's released on PS4/Fusion,720?

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                        • Trick13
                          Pro
                          • Oct 2012
                          • 780

                          #192
                          Re: Madden NFL 25 Video - Playbook: Run Free with Trey Wingo and Doug Martin

                          Originally posted by jpdavis82
                          Dorian made a great post about running mechanics and fundamentals compared to this trailer, but I think to make the most fair comparison,we should be using NFL footage not college, the games are played at different speeds. So here are some real examples of the same HB's featured in this trailer.

                          Jamaal Charles
                          Spoiler


                          Ray Rice
                          Spoiler


                          Chris Johnson
                          Spoiler


                          Doug Martin
                          Spoiler


                          Demarco Murray
                          Spoiler


                          Trent Richardson
                          Spoiler
                          A couple things I took away from your post man.
                          First, I watched each of these vids from start to finish, counted 2 "open field" spins - all the rest were off of contact, would like to see EA have more spins off of contact -
                          second I did not see one single "jump sideways juke" in any of those vids - NOT ONE, but Madden's entire juke world is built off "jump jukes" - I miss the R/L/R motion on the sticks that created a shoulder "shimmy" into a hard cut - you see that far more often in NFL games than the "jump juke" and when you do see it in the NFL it is more of a "side step" or "slide motion"...

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                          • BezO
                            MVP
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 4414

                            #193
                            Re: Madden NFL 25 Video - Playbook: Run Free with Trey Wingo and Doug Martin

                            Originally posted by jpdavis82
                            Can you give a specific example?
                            DeMarco Murray takes a hand-off & immediately turns about 45 degrees without planting. Alfred Morris turns up field about 45 degrees without a plant. And Chris Johnson appears to swerve between his juking. No zag after the zig, but those changes in direction seem to indicate zig zag running is still possible.

                            None of the plants appeared to be from simple left stick movement. They all seem to be triggered with the juke/spin buttons. Hard to tell for sure only seeing hightlights though.
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                            • Trick13
                              Pro
                              • Oct 2012
                              • 780

                              #194
                              Re: Madden NFL 25 Video - Playbook: Run Free with Trey Wingo and Doug Martin

                              Originally posted by BezO
                              DeMarco Murray takes a hand-off & immediately turns about 45 degrees without planting. Alfred Morris turns up field about 45 degrees without a plant. And Chris Johnson appears to swerve between his juking. No zag after the zig, but those changes in direction seem to indicate zig zag running is still possible.

                              None of the plants appeared to be from simple left stick movement. They all seem to be triggered with the juke/spin buttons. Hard to tell for sure only seeing hightlights though.
                              That is a major concern in my opinion, the left stick movements should force "foot-planting" and body "lean" and angle at which the legs, feet, ankles and ground are "interacting" with each other.

                              If "foot-planting" is not hard wired into all movement, including left stick changes in direction the game is going to be seriously flawed and all this "run free" stuff will be a colossal waste of time...

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                              • SageInfinite
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                                • Jul 2002
                                • 11896

                                #195
                                Re: Madden NFL 25 Video - Playbook: Run Free with Trey Wingo and Doug Martin

                                Originally posted by BezO
                                DeMarco Murray takes a hand-off & immediately turns about 45 degrees without planting. Alfred Morris turns up field about 45 degrees without a plant. And Chris Johnson appears to swerve between his juking. No zag after the zig, but those changes in direction seem to indicate zig zag running is still possible.

                                None of the plants appeared to be from simple left stick movement. They all seem to be triggered with the juke/spin buttons. Hard to tell for sure only seeing hightlights though.
                                Yeah the zig zagging may not be possible, but that humming bird "floating" running is still apparent in the game. I'm just wondering how it's all gonna work out. Will that running be more effective than juking and planting?

                                I was really hoping they added the body lean as well as the hard cuts and plants. I think that's one of the reasons the running looks so weird. Also it's either players look like their floating slightly above the ground or their feet are sinking all the way through it. Just some funky stuff going on that I don't attribute to "early builds" because it's been in there for a couple of years. Just like a players legs going through his own legs. The natural movement is just messed up.
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