Madden NFL 25 Video - Playbook: Run Free with Trey Wingo and Doug Martin

[Phobia]

Re: Madden NFL 25 Video - Playbook: Run Free with Trey Wingo and Doug Martin

Why are you bringing my name into this? I did you a favor and posted a pic proving your point. No offense taken, I just feel that was unnecessary.

You don't remember posting this??? Basically same thing Rick_14 said. There was no point to prove, common sense could tell what I was talking about and yea you and rick were the two who pointed out the picture he was not "10 yards ahead". I think I'm intelligent enough to see the pic I posted he was only a yard and half in front the blocker. Wanting to jump in so fast to try and disprove my post was your first intention rather than read and comprehend what I wrote.

The RB is 10-15 yards past him? Where? I see Charles about 2-3 yards from him, also watch the Trent Richardson clip, you'll see blockers disengage and run upfield

I'm more baffled, I have to defend the picture posted marking a guy to show a flaw in the blocking release. Rather than discuss what appears as the same ol blocking animations. Go ahead defend the lack of the defender releasing from the block after the running back is far past him.

[californ14]

Re: Madden NFL 25 Video - Playbook: Run Free with Trey Wingo and Doug Martin

Defenders are disengaging from blocks and their rush assignments once the RB is past them, but not fast enough (waiting until the runner is 10-15 yards down field is unacceptable, and useless)....In the NFL highlights you see the defenders releasing immediately and chasing the runner....The only blocking engaged is when an offensive player gets between a defender and the runner; as well as some side pushes/blocks....

[RGiles36]

Re: Madden NFL 25 Video - Playbook: Run Free with Trey Wingo and Doug Martin

Ah, the ole reliable WIP icon.

Let's just hope there is a big announcement at E3 in regards to enhanced blocking interractions.

Unless it's for next gen, I believe enhanced blocking interactions is a pipe dream. I believe I had that:

I have no doubts that blocking has been improved. But as we sit here in April, I do question how much. Of all the previews I've gone over, I haven't seen one mention of a kickslide, or DE/OLBs getting upfield (effectively creating a pocket).

At a high level, I would think that would be one of the improvements that Tiburon touts in the previews. But of what I've read, most of the improvement has come in the form of logic i.e. knowing who to block. I don't know that these improvements will make me fear teams w/ the best pass rushers.

I'm a little put off that they turned around and showed love to the run game again. It was just addressed in M11 and while not perfect, it was improved & serviceable. The expectation from this fan was that pass blocking would get the next re-write. 3 years later, nothing. I don't quite get it.

[TreFacTor]

Re: Madden NFL 25 Video - Playbook: Run Free with Trey Wingo and Doug Martin

Defenders are disengaging from blocks and their rush assignments once the RB is past them, but not fast enough (waiting until the runner is 10-15 yards down field is unacceptable, and useless)....In the NFL highlights you see the defenders releasing immediately and chasing the runner....The only blocking engaged is when an offensive player gets between a defender and the runner; as well as some side pushes/blocks....

Which is why I always harp on the line battle.

Offensively
-The Tackle punching a DE to the inside
-The TE chipping or assisting

Defensively
-The DE setting the edge: since it's an out side run you should see the DE pursue forcing the run to the side line giving the linebackers (at least one should not be blocked simply because of the numbers) corners and safties time to contain if not tackle this is just a basic defensive responsibility, it's not a concept, it's not a technique, it's not a scheme. It what is simply each players responsibility on plays run to the side lines or inside runs that were bounced to the outside.

Linebacker pursuit angles:
Let's assume the defense called is a 4-3 cover 3 the linebackers basic responsibility is to read the run RB to the QB before dropping into a zone and taking any player coming into that zone as a threat. So judging from the distance from the DE to the linebacker I assume one of two things.

A)pursuit angles are still bad
B)Linebackers are not performing according to their most basic responsibility.

This is what frustrates me about Madden. I can forgive it for infinity 1.0, 2.0 should be much better. I can't forgive it for not obeying basic football principles just because their new feature needs to work. I can't forgive negating basic physics that Calvin Johnson should have been blown up in the first trailer. Madden misses on even the most basic things because the common player who knows nothing about proper football but likes Madden isn't going to know the difference or care.


I know Cry me a river right.

[SageInfinite]

Re: Madden NFL 25 Video - Playbook: Run Free with Trey Wingo and Doug Martin

These screen shots make it look like the running would look pretty good. Screenshots Madden looks really good.

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[kingscrown]

Do you mean something like this? This is from the Madden 25 How to Run Free Blog



"Sometimes you’re just inches from the first down marker, but a defender is bearing down to stop you short of the line. In those circumstances, the best option is to dive for extra yards. Tapping X/Squarewill execute a basic dive, but adding the precision modifier triggers a precision dive where you’ll reach the ball out and stretch for every inch. Furthermore, if you attempt a precision dive at the goal line, while behind a blocker you’ll execute a precision high dive over the back of your teammate and into the end zone."

Yes but you see guys going forward and then get pushed back for 5-10 yards

[hanzsomehanz]

Consider the block:blockshed dynamic to be off for demonstration purposes. Expect to see these perforations filled in the final build.

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[kingscrown]

For negative yardage is what I meant to say to finish that sentence

[jpdavis82]

Re: Madden NFL 25 Video - Playbook: Run Free with Trey Wingo and Doug Martin

These screen shots make it look like the running would look pretty good. Screenshots Madden looks really good.

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Yes but you see guys going forward and then get pushed back for 5-10 yards

Yeah but that may not be the case anymore.

[Trick13]

Re: Madden NFL 25 Video - Playbook: Run Free with Trey Wingo and Doug Martin

Here's the best jukes of all time, feel free to compare and contrast to the trailer

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With one exception, E. Smith did one that was pretty darn close, I did not see any jukes that look like "the Madden hop". Almost every juke starts with the players legs leaning hard // and then they move laterally while bringing their legs back under their body ||.

Man that video had me aching to play a game of flag football or PS2 Madden - the one with the tap-tap-tap feature where you could tap the "cut move" buttons in rapid succession and get a "shoulder shimmy".

Sweet video.



SageInfinite,

I get that it happens, but why? I have played other games that have solid characters and environments, why do sports games have that issue and why don't they fix it???

[ghettogeeksta]

Re: Madden NFL 25 Video - Playbook: Run Free with Trey Wingo and Doug Martin

In order to get the cuts right like in those real life highlight videos, they need to add footwork/cuts to the left analog stick.

So when you are running and you want to move to the right or left, when you hit the Left Analog it should trigger a foot-plant and cut move.

Then if you want to perform a stutter step juke, then quickly move the left analog stick from the right to left, or left to right depending on which way you wanna go.

Depending on what back you are using the output for each of these moves will be a little different, smaller quick backs will perform them more quickly than bigger power backs.

[The_Rick_14]

Re: Madden NFL 25 Video - Playbook: Run Free with Trey Wingo and Doug Martin

LMAO I find it incredible yall can't comprehend that I was MARKING the guy for a reference for YOU to watch it in the video. The point of the picture was not to show it 10 to 15 yards ahead but since you can't grasp this let me do ANOTHER picture since your comprehension skills between you and JP are legendary.

If you gonna attempt to troll at least make a valid point

Wasn't trying to troll and thank you for doing another picture pointing out the player in the situation you were describing. I guess I just didn't understand why you'd take the time to take a screenshot and mark a player in it and not have it be of the situation at the time you are trying to describe. You have to admit it was easily possible to be mislead.

I just deal with people on a consistent basis that will exaggerate things with poor evidence to try to force their point and it bugs me. Sorry for the miscommunication.

[SageInfinite]

Re: Madden NFL 25 Video - Playbook: Run Free with Trey Wingo and Doug Martin

SageInfinite,

I get that it happens, but why? I have played other games that have solid characters and environments, why do sports games have that issue and why don't they fix it???

I got no clue my dude. I guess it's not high on the priority list. Maybe next gen they'll fix it. I know NBA2k has tried its hardest to eliminate oddities like this. Don't notice them too much in the show either. I just think alot of things that bother us don't bother Tiburon. I've spoken to guys that have been up there, and I don't know if it's the same culture up there, but alot of the time they just don't think things are a big enough deal. If it doesn't bother them, it shouldn't bother us. That's how they were.

[jpdavis82]

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I got no clue my dude. I guess it's not high on the priority list. Maybe next gen they'll fix it. I know NBA2k has tried its hardest to eliminate oddities like this. Don't notice them too much in the show either. I just think alot of things that bother us don't bother Tiburon. I've spoken to guys that have been up there, and I don't know if it's the same culture up there, but alot of the time they just don't think things are a big enough deal. If it doesn't bother them, it shouldn't bother us. That's how they were.

Key word, were. I don't get that feeling at all with the current dev team

[rootofalleli]

Re: Madden NFL 25 Video - Playbook: Run Free with Trey Wingo and Doug Martin

Here's the best jukes of all time, feel free to compare and contrast to the trailer

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Great video! I liked the drive blocking downfield, the patience and control of the runners, the defenders trying to square up and contain... that's the stuff the trailer is missing.

Defenders in Madden chase the ball carrier like he just snatched their momma's purse. They launch themselves at the runner and miss when he instantaneously hops 5 feet. The runners in the video were shifty and elusive, not superhumanly quick. Madden does look a lot like football, but not when you look at what really works. Most of what those runners did to succeed in your video was about control, misdirection, and subtlety *Edit: They got away from defenders with small jukes, change of direction ability, and head/shoulder fakes, not dramatic special moves or speed bursts.* Madden defenders easily flood to the ball and suck the runner into a tackle. Real defenders need to contain, break down, and get a hand on a runner. That's one of the battles EA refuses to give us.