No Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 15, Focus Shifts to Next-Gen and Tiger 16

[DivotMaker]

Re: No Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 15, Focus Shifts to Next-Gen and Tiger 16

This years gameplay is harder because of a couple different settings...but all it does is mask a stale and unimproved game core. yes, the game plays harder and more sim-like. scores are down. it is harder to hit fairways, greens, etc. putting is easier, however. but gameplay is more than that to me. we still have limited and unrefined swing animations, ball physics are still subpar, interactions with the elements on the course are still really bad. I am not a big presentation guy but commentary is still horrendous. Will EA ever understand how to implement the rules of golf, ie drops, penalties, out of bounds. game is still glitchy at times when balls warp into weird spots on the course. All these things are part of gameplay that have not been addressed during the current generation. To say the old arguments do not fly anymore, you are blinded by the masking of the harder difficulty settings this year.

The problem is with the current TW engine and the current console hardware memory limitations, not the Dev Team or any interpretation of the rules of Golf. And I disagree that ball physics are subpar as that is one area that TW14 has improved greatly. And the swing mechanic has improved greatly over the past two versions. Lets see how challenging the swing is in PP Golf before we compare the challenge of the two games. Making a videogame golf swing replicate the challenge of an IRL Golf swing with a gamepad or a mouse is not an easy thing to do and hasn't been since Golf games were first developed.

[ComfortablyLomb]

Re: No Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 15, Focus Shifts to Next-Gen and Tiger 16

The problem is with the current TW engine and the current console hardware memory limitations, not the Dev Team or any interpretation of the rules of Golf. And I disagree that ball physics are subpar as that is one area that TW14 has improved greatly. And the swing mechanic has improved greatly over the past two versions. Lets see how challenging the swing is in PP Golf before we compare the challenge of the two games. Making a videogame golf swing replicate the challenge of an IRL Golf swing with a gamepad or a mouse is not an easy thing to do and hasn't been since Golf games were first developed.

This is where I stand as well. Point out a golf game that has had a significantly better swing mechanic. That game does not exist. I'm not saying Tiger's swing stick mechanic is perfect, just that it does a decent job now that the advanced (diagonal) option exists.

As for putting, it's so hard to nail. I think this year's biggest putting problem is not really with the mechanic (which is probably too forgiving), but with "tournament" speed not being fast enough. I pretty much play with tournament on as a default, and I rarely have the fear of a putt getting away from me. Being above the hole is generally just no big deal.

[kerosene31]

Re: No Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 15, Focus Shifts to Next-Gen and Tiger 16

I can't wait to see what they can do with better hardware. It is amazing what they manage to do on the existing consoles considering how old the hardware is.

[globalbeats7]

Re: No Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 15, Focus Shifts to Next-Gen and Tiger 16

This is where I stand as well. Point out a golf game that has had a significantly better swing mechanic. That game does not exist. I'm not saying Tiger's swing stick mechanic is perfect, just that it does a decent job now that the advanced (diagonal) option exists.

As for putting, it's so hard to nail. I think this year's biggest putting problem is not really with the mechanic (which is probably too forgiving), but with "tournament" speed not being fast enough. I pretty much play with tournament on as a default, and I rarely have the fear of a putt getting away from me. Being above the hole is generally just no big deal.

TW has had barely anything to compete against...so of course it has the best swing mechanic. there is nothing else out there competitively on the console market.

agree on putting.

[DivotMaker]

Re: No Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 15, Focus Shifts to Next-Gen and Tiger 16

TW has had barely anything to compete against...so of course it has the best swing mechanic. there is nothing else out there competitively on the console market.

I hope you aren't suggesting that somehow that is EA's fault......JD Prostroke Golf came out last year and they could not even produce a 360 version as it was PS3 only for the Move and the game failed miserably even though the swing mechanic for the Move I hear was quite good......

[globalbeats7]

Re: No Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 15, Focus Shifts to Next-Gen and Tiger 16

I hope you aren't suggesting that somehow that is EA's fault......JD Prostroke Golf came out last year and they could not even produce a 360 version as it was PS3 only for the Move and the game failed miserably even though the swing mechanic for the Move I hear was quite good......

no, not at all. Golf games are a small market as you know, TW has locked it down over the years. JOb well done by them. As a company, your goal is to increase your market share and hopefully making a great product in the meantime.

I am pointing out that they just dont have competition and that in itself makes their game the best on the market, regardless of personal opinion. So when someone says, "point me out another game that is better in this or that.....", pretty ridiculous statement to make.

look, overall, my points are that even though I have played TW religiously from 4 yrs straight now....I am more than stoked there is a company out there that is willing to take the chance at producing a golf sim, knowing that the market is thin. From the info that is out there, they look to be approaching the game the right way. Will it be awesome? who knows...you are right, it could tank like the many others before it. But with next gen on the horizon, the chances that a game could compete with EA have increased. In the end, this is better for WE THE PEOPLE.

[baffler14]

Re: No Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 15, Focus Shifts to Next-Gen and Tiger 16

It is stated that games for the new consoles cannot be played on older consoles.How will EA approach this? One report on a PS4 indicated EA will market two versions of Battlefield 4.Does EA sell enough the TW series to make two versions?

As an offline player that does not bother with the career mode graphics are very important to me.I find depth of field rendering very annoying with too much of the rendering blurry.On the EA forum EA Tim stated that this rendering was used due to the limitations of the current hardware.I would hope any new game would give the option to turn it off.

I also read in another article that that the majority of console gamers are more interested in game play than graphics.I would agree with that as very little is said on this or EA forums about graphic quality.

TW 14 has good game play and features and if graphics matched TW10 it would be the best yet.

It will be interesting to see how EA will approach this.Will we get a game where graphics take advantage of the new hardware or will they produce a game with current graphics and port it over? Not everyone will be buying new consoles.

[DivotMaker]

Re: No Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 15, Focus Shifts to Next-Gen and Tiger 16

It is stated that games for the new consoles cannot be played on older consoles.How will EA approach this? One report on a PS4 indicated EA will market two versions of Battlefield 4.Does EA sell enough the TW series to make two versions?

As an offline player that does not bother with the career mode graphics are very important to me.I find depth of field rendering very annoying with too much of the rendering blurry.On the EA forum EA Tim stated that this rendering was used due to the limitations of the current hardware.I would hope any new game would give the option to turn it off.

I also read in another article that that the majority of console gamers are more interested in game play than graphics.I would agree with that as very little is said on this or EA forums about graphic quality.

TW 14 has good game play and features and if graphics matched TW10 it would be the best yet.

It will be interesting to see how EA will approach this.Will we get a game where graphics take advantage of the new hardware or will they produce a game with current graphics and port it over? Not everyone will be buying new consoles.

Why would you want to play TW16 for the PS4 on a PS3? At least that is what I am getting from your initial question. Never been done in the history of consoles playing a next gen version of a game on a previous gen console.

I look for EA to ditch the current engine completely. It is old and very unstable when adding/subtracting features. If I had to speculate, I would think EA would try to build a new TW engine from the latest Frostbite engine powering BF 3/4. That is assuming that engine would be able to render the kind of environments that Tiger does as Golf courses are just a tad different than war maps....

[baffler14]

Re: No Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 15, Focus Shifts to Next-Gen and Tiger 16

I would not play TW 16 on an older console.I am questioning how EA will approach the fact that games are not backwards compatible.Do they sell enough of this series to produce 2 versions or will they abandon the older consoles?

I am pointing out that not everyone will go out and buy a new console.Would I,absolutely for improved graphics.

[DivotMaker]

Re: No Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 15, Focus Shifts to Next-Gen and Tiger 16

I would not play TW 16 on an older console.I am questioning how EA will approach the fact that games are not backwards compatible.Do they sell enough of this series to produce 2 versions or will they abandon the older consoles?

I am pointing out that not everyone will go out and buy a new console.Would I,absolutely for improved graphics.

Then they will have TW14 to play. My understanding is that there will be no TW15 and it is way too soon to tell if there will be a TW16 for the 360/PS3 if they are taking a year off to bring a new engine to Tiger.

[ComfortablyLomb]

Re: No Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 15, Focus Shifts to Next-Gen and Tiger 16

Any chance EA might release a few more courses from the past course catalogue? If there is no 15 it might be nice to see Riviera, Firestone, and Harbor Town as additional DLC.

[baffler14]

Re: No Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 15, Focus Shifts to Next-Gen and Tiger 16

An article in Financial Post dated 5/01/2013 detailed the decline of sales in this series.They indicate 3 million copies sold for 09.Thirteen sold less than 1 million.To date 14 sales 150,000.If these figures are correct this does not appear to be a good sign for EA to continue this franchise for new consoles.I suppose it would depend on new console sales.