NCAA Football 14 - A Deeper Look at Power Recruiting

[jeremym480]

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I have to admit that I was a little wary of Power Recruiting when it was first revealed. However, after reading this I'm really starting to warm up to it. It actually sounds deeper and like there will be much more strategy involved. I suppose that it isn't that much different than the phone call method, however anything is better than the overly repetitive select and click phone calls that really didn't require much strategy and has grown tired over the past few years.

Just like with the coaching skills this looks good on paper, but I'm still very cautious. My main concern being difficulty. If it's too easy to pull top 25-30 classes year in and year out with lower level non AQ teams, then all of this is flash with no substance.

[grabursock55]

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Why can't defensive players or OL see each other as rivals?

I would assume it is because there are five linemen on offense at a time, so you could schedule 5 guys who are all linemen and theoretically, they could all start at the same time. Same goes with linebackers, Dline, and Cornerbacks, because there are multiples of those players on the field at a time. However, Imagine you are a QB, and you are on a recruiting visit to your favorite school, and wouldnt you know it, there is another QB there. That MIGHT (I dont know you lol) make you frustrated because you think the coaches want someone tehre to take your spot when you slip up, or may just start over you outright. I can see where they are coming from, I think it will be implemented well.

[DorianDonP]

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I would assume it is because there are five linemen on offense at a time, so you could schedule 5 guys who are all linemen and theoretically, they could all start at the same time. Same goes with linebackers, Dline, and Cornerbacks, because there are multiples of those players on the field at a time. However, Imagine you are a QB, and you are on a recruiting visit to your favorite school, and wouldnt you know it, there is another QB there. That MIGHT (I dont know you lol) make you frustrated because you think the coaches want someone tehre to take your spot when you slip up, or may just start over you outright. I can see where they are coming from, I think it will be implemented well.

Only two guards start. Only two tackles start. Only one center starts. There is a clear distinction between them.

Only two defensive ends start. Only two defensive tackles start. I mean this is elementary football stuff.

Bring in 3 safeties and it's a competitive visit, but bring in five centers and it's no big deal?

It doesn't make sense.

I see your point about bringing in five OL, and moving them around so they could theoretically all start, but the same can be said for safeties, which move all around the secondary like a OL can move all around the line.

One of the reasons Dante Fowler signed with UF was because FSU already had several DE's committed.

[JerseySuave4]

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Only two guards start. Only two tackles start. Only one center starts. There is a clear distinction between them.

Only two defensive ends start. Only two defensive tackles start. I mean this is elementary football stuff.

Bring in 2 safeties and it's a competitive visit, but bring in five centers and it's no big deal?

It doesn't make sense.

not to mention teams run 5 WR sets so just because a team signs a WR shouldn't necessarily deter another WR.

I know why they have a set number but there shouldn't be a set number because team needs should play a factor. If a team is mostly seniors at WR, it shouldn't deter 3 WRs that there are 3 of them together visiting, they might like the idea of them becoming the next big trio. Same with RBs. If 1 running back is visiting, it shouldn't deter another RB because most teams use multiple RBs. It's almost as if they based it on a traditional set you used to see 15 years ago where teams were primarily 1 RB, 2 WRs but these days teams use multiple RBs.

The fact that Cierre Wood committed to Notre Dame didn't deter Theo Riddick from committing there. Both played and both played RB. I just feel like they set some pre determined factors that don't necessarily reflect everyone.

[DorianDonP]

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I think something like this would have worked.

QB-more than 1, competitive visit
RB-more than 2, competitive visit
FB-more than 1, competitive visit
WR-more than 2, competitive visit
TE-more than 1, competitive visit
OT-more than 2, competitive visit
OG-more than 2, competitive visit
C-more than 1, competitive visit

DE-more than 2, competitive visit
DT-more than 2, competitive visit
OLB-more than 2, competitive visit
ILB-more than 2, competitive visit
CB-more than 2, competitive visit
S-more than 2, competitive visit

K-more than 1, competitive visit
P-more than 1, competitive visit

Even better. How cool would it be if player TYPES influenced the competitive visit? For example, you could bring in a power back and a speed back in on the same visit without penalty, but bringing in two power backs would result in a competitive visit?

Maybe they can do something like that next year though.

[DorianDonP]

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not to mention teams run 5 WR sets so just because a team signs a WR shouldn't necessarily deter another WR.

I know why they have a set number but there shouldn't be a set number because team needs should play a factor. If a team is mostly seniors at WR, it shouldn't deter 3 WRs that there are 3 of them together visiting, they might like the idea of them becoming the next big trio. Same with RBs. If 1 running back is visiting, it shouldn't deter another RB because most teams use multiple RBs. It's almost as if they based it on a traditional set you used to see 15 years ago where teams were primarily 1 RB, 2 WRs but these days teams use multiple RBs.

The fact that Cierre Wood committed to Notre Dame didn't deter Theo Riddick from committing there. Both played and both played RB. I just feel like they set some pre determined factors that don't necessarily reflect everyone.

I agree with this too if they are going for the deeper end of recruiting. I was actually going to write I wish team needs was the biggest factor in competitive visit/points. A combination of the two (depth chart and players being brought in with the class) would be ideal.

[Bamanutt]

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not to mention teams run 5 WR sets so just because a team signs a WR shouldn't necessarily deter another WR.

I know why they have a set number but there shouldn't be a set number because team needs should play a factor. If a team is mostly seniors at WR, it shouldn't deter 3 WRs that there are 3 of them together visiting, they might like the idea of them becoming the next big trio. Same with RBs. If 1 running back is visiting, it shouldn't deter another RB because most teams use multiple RBs. It's almost as if they based it on a traditional set you used to see 15 years ago where teams were primarily 1 RB, 2 WRs but these days teams use multiple RBs.

The fact that Cierre Wood committed to Notre Dame didn't deter Theo Riddick from committing there. Both played and both played RB. I just feel like they set some pre determined factors that don't necessarily reflect everyone.

Agree here, this should be team specific,

Mark Ingram
Trent Richardson
Eddie Lacey
Jalston Fowler
Kenyon Drake
Dee Hart
TJ Yeldon
Derrick Henry

Gees were so stacked at RB!

I sure hope coaching skills make above rosters impossible for me when I start my coaching career, but eventually make it possible to get that good!
The above list is also why 85 man rosters are vital to dynasty going forward, as well as injuries, academic casulties, transfers & the like. I hope the dev's continue developing dynasty in this way going forward.

Like what we got so far- just hope it works correctly.

[Exile04]

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like other post they give us something good and it gets nit picked. I like it, yes it could be more in-depth tho. The thing is its jsut if you bring them in on the same week tho. i look at what my huskies did last year when they sign 7 on the same day and for the most part it was one player at a position maybe 2 DL. in real life a guy thats a 5 star wouldnt be worried about visiting with a 2-3 star at the same position, but if 2 5star RB's came i could see the problem.

[BenGerman]

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For example, if your team is in need of a wide receiver, the “Playing Time” factor will display as an “A” grade. If a wideout prospect has a “Deal Breaker” for Playing Time you can add him to your board and recruit as normal. However, if you start targeting and offering scholarships to other receivers, the Playing Time grade may drop and you’ll be locked out of further recruiting that original player.

Thought that was really interesting. The whole system seems really well done, if it works as advertised.

[DorianDonP]

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Thought that was really interesting. The whole system seems really well done, if it works as advertised.

It is interesting. Interested to see how that will work if you have a need for multiple receivers.

[Timeetyo]

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It is interesting. Interested to see how that will work if you have a need for multiple receivers.

Honestly is shouldn't be a problem unless you fail to plan. With the current rosters size I normally am planning on signing 1-2 WR / year (I usually rotate years 1/2/1/2, but Sometimes 2/2/2 if I'm early in a rebuild and need to redshirt a lot). Even in years I plan on signing 2 I rarely get 4 to visits. Even at 4 - I need to plan ahead and spread them over 2 whole weeks.

I just don't see the problem.

[Strategizer]

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Scheduling a visit late shouldn't be 700 points more of a bonus than scheduling early. Kid I coached originally committed to Auburn which was one of his first visits because once he went there, he liked the school, felt comfortable around the coaches/players and decided he didn't want to visit some of the other schools he originally planned to. Each kid is different, sometimes being first is more of an advantage because you can convince a kid to commit before others get a hold of him. That's why I have a problem with the amount of importance and bonus they give for having a recruit come late. After reading the WVU article where the people from WVU told Ben having a late visit can leave a lasting appeal, they just said, "ok so late visits are better and will get a bigger bonus." So because 1 school said it was better than an early visit, they went with it.

And? What does that prove? It is possible to get a commit in the game before the later visits, and there are other ways to get big bonuses. The devs have specifically said that this is why scheduling later is a risk. And what if this Auburn kid took all those other visits? Maybe visiting them would have changed his mind. Your example actually validates the system in the game.

And to the other poster, there are no offseason visits, so this is obviously the compromise.

[volwalker]

I can see so much strategy involved with all of these recruiting and coach skill additions. Regarding the competitive visits, coaches have to deal with this all the time. I have no problem with it. I think we will have an even better idea of what these coaches have to go through everyday recruiting-wise. I can't wait to dive in.

[JerseySuave4]

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And what if this Auburn kid took all those other visits? Maybe visiting them would have changed his mind. Your example actually validates the system in the game.

And to the other poster, there are no offseason visits, so this is obviously the compromise.

He did go on other visits after Auburn it's just that Auburn is where he felt comfortable because of the coaches there. Irony here is after he chose to de-commit he visited FSU first, then Florida and finally LSU. He wanted to commit to Florida. The night before National Signing day he was in my office at work, my boss (who also coached with me) helped him with tuition in high school and has been helping his family so he's like a father figure and the 3 of us along with his father & grandfather sat in our conference room on a conference call with Les Miles. We all were trying to convince him to go to LSU while the kid (i'll leave his name out of it) was dead set on Florida. It was pretty cool to hear Les make his final pitch the night before signing day.

But 5 mins before he signed, the kid was still set on going to Florida and when it came time to actually sign, all of the stuff we had been telling him must have clicked because he ended up picking LSU.

But for him it didn't matter what visit he went on first or last. When that right school comes along where the kid feels comfortable, they get their heart set on that place. Whether it's the school, the stadium, the coaches or whatever, once they find that one place that fits, that's where they want to go. Once that right school makes an impression, that impression stays. The schools that come after have to surpass his current happiness with the school he's set on at the time.

In my experience coaching, all of the kids that i've coached that have gone on to play college football whether it was Theo Riddick going to Notre Dame or a kid going to play 1aa ball somewhere, the time at which they had their visit didn't have much impact. It was more where they felt comfortable, where they would have the best chance to succeed, and what those closest to them were putting in their ear.

That's why i'm saying having a recruit come in later in the year for a visit shouldn't be THAT much of a boost over if he visited earlier. A 700-800 point boost is a lot. That's all i'm saying, just seems like they're placing too more importance/reward on certain things.

[DorianDonP]

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And to the other poster, there are no offseason visits, so this is obviously the compromise.

I would rather the compromise not diminish the realism of the regular season recruiting. And aren't there in-home visits in the off-season? Well, in past NCAAs. I guess they took in-home visits out to make room for the "updated" recruiting.