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  • Cycloniac
    Man, myth, legend.
    • May 2009
    • 6505

    #1

    BAGM Mode: Rosters

    Alright guys: what rosters are you using in BAGM these days? EA's, Tonics, the Revamped Rosters?

    I've noticed some benefits of both the Revamped Rosters and the one Tonic modified.

    The Revamped Rosters offer really good player seperation, but it seems like from the second year onward things just get messed up (even after re-worked potentials). I also noticed that since there's such a great ratings gap between players, the trade logic can be bad. E.g. Detroit traded away Jimmy Howard to the Canadiens for a 2nd round pick and Danny Kristo.

    In year 2, I'm seeing depleted goalie crops after Martin Brodeur retired. New Jersey has Kinklaid starting, and he only has about a 72 OVR. I'm also seeing some defensemen on the 4th lines o certain teams. Stats are great for the most part in the first year, and I especially like the goalie stats. What I'm noticing is that there's no grey line between the good teams and the bad teams; no real middle of the road teams. It's either your good, or you're really bad, and simulating games shows no mercy in that regard.

    For Tonic's rosters, AI is alot smarter. You won't see as many weird trades. Rookies play and progress. On the other hand, progression is overdone (because of EA's system not the rosters), so teams end up having ratings of 4.5 starts for offense, defense and goaltending by years 2 and 3. Goalie stats are a little shaky at times too.

    Getting a bit frustrated.
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  • Canadian Vampire
    Rookie
    • Apr 2008
    • 11

    #2
    Re: BAGM Mode: Rosters

    I use Revamped. Haven't really tried any others.

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    • Tonic
      Rookie
      • Oct 2012
      • 342

      #3
      Re: BAGM Mode: Rosters

      I'm biased, obviously

      I also keep trades off until the deadline, and waivers off as well. I liked the revamped ones a lot, but it wasn't being updated very frequently (they only had the NHL done last time I checked).
      "To whom much is given, much is expected" - John F. Kennedy

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      • Cycloniac
        Man, myth, legend.
        • May 2009
        • 6505

        #4
        Re: BAGM Mode: Rosters

        Originally posted by Tonic
        I'm biased, obviously

        I also keep trades off until the deadline, and waivers off as well. I liked the revamped ones a lot, but it wasn't being updated very frequently (they only had the NHL done last time I checked).
        Well, the BAGM 360 Revamped Rosters are out now. I'll have to start my BAGM over with those again, and I'll turn trades and waivers off until the deadline and offseason.
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        • canucksss
          MVP
          • Jan 2003
          • 2956

          #5
          Re: BAGM Mode: Rosters

          Originally posted by Cycloniac
          Well, the BAGM 360 Revamped Rosters are out now. I'll have to start my BAGM over with those again, and I'll turn trades and waivers off until the deadline and offseason.
          and let us know how the players developed in the course of your BaGM. my biggest gripe, and its not the fault of Revamped roster, is that the rookies or draft, after you play them in 1st year their development shoot up to high 80s or even at low 90s (starting point is mid 70's). UNREALISTIC development, IMHO.

          But I will appreciate it if you keep us updated...since I MIGHT skip NHL 14 for obvious reasons (EA missing statement about - NZ plays, Presentations, Team Celebrations after goal etc.). To satisfy my NHL game "needs" I might stick with NHL 13 or 09 if there'll be a updated roster for 09.

          THanks.

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          • Cycloniac
            Man, myth, legend.
            • May 2009
            • 6505

            #6
            Re: BAGM Mode: Rosters

            Originally posted by canucksss
            and let us know how the players developed in the course of your BaGM. my biggest gripe, and its not the fault of Revamped roster, is that the rookies or draft, after you play them in 1st year their development shoot up to high 80s or even at low 90s (starting point is mid 70's). UNREALISTIC development, IMHO.

            But I will appreciate it if you keep us updated...since I MIGHT skip NHL 14 for obvious reasons (EA missing statement about - NZ plays, Presentations, Team Celebrations after goal etc.). To satisfy my NHL game "needs" I might stick with NHL 13 or 09 if there'll be a updated roster for 09.

            THanks.
            I'll keep you posted. I already know I'll be adjusting some potentials - even after the Revamped Rosters' potential edits - and doing some rating tweaks.

            E.g. The Leafs ran away with the cup and led the league in points in my BAGM season, so I need to tweak Kadri's rating a bit. By year two, the whole leafs top line was stacked (Kadri and Lulpul at 88, Kessel was like 90).

            Also, former Flyers' prospect Niko Hovinen progressed quite a bit - way more than he should have. I have to take another look at my BAGM and see what else I need to adjust. Maybe then I can finally enjoy BAGM mode .-.
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            • canucksss
              MVP
              • Jan 2003
              • 2956

              #7
              Re: BAGM Mode: Rosters

              Originally posted by Cycloniac
              I'll keep you posted. I already know I'll be adjusting some potentials - even after the Revamped Rosters' potential edits - and doing some rating tweaks.

              E.g. The Leafs ran away with the cup and led the league in points in my BAGM season, so I need to tweak Kadri's rating a bit. By year two, the whole leafs top line was stacked (Kadri and Lulpul at 88, Kessel was like 90).

              Also, former Flyers' prospect Niko Hovinen progressed quite a bit - way more than he should have. I have to take another look at my BAGM and see what else I need to adjust. Maybe then I can finally enjoy BAGM mode .-.
              please....dont forget us...

              im using your sliders as my based and adjusted 2-3 to fit my taste. EA really messed up the progression of players here in 13. No wonder their prediction that NYR will will the SC, no offense to NYR fans.

              IMO, NHL 13 is like a steak that you're anticipating, skip lunch so you will enjoy the supposed to be tasty, meaty and juicy steak at dinner but when the steak was served, it was burnt and cold, the only thing you can eat is the veggie on the side and mashed potato.

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              • Dougie_G_93
                Pro
                • Oct 2011
                • 576

                #8
                Re: BAGM Mode: Rosters

                Originally posted by Cycloniac
                I'll keep you posted. I already know I'll be adjusting some potentials - even after the Revamped Rosters' potential edits - and doing some rating tweaks.

                E.g. The Leafs ran away with the cup and led the league in points in my BAGM season, so I need to tweak Kadri's rating a bit. By year two, the whole leafs top line was stacked (Kadri and Lulpul at 88, Kessel was like 90).

                Also, former Flyers' prospect Niko Hovinen progressed quite a bit - way more than he should have. I have to take another look at my BAGM and see what else I need to adjust. Maybe then I can finally enjoy BAGM mode .-.
                Well that scenario sounds perfect to me.......

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                • Cycloniac
                  Man, myth, legend.
                  • May 2009
                  • 6505

                  #9
                  Re: BAGM Mode: Rosters

                  Originally posted by Dougie_G_93
                  Well that scenario sounds perfect to me.......
                  Maybe next year ;p
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                  • Cycloniac
                    Man, myth, legend.
                    • May 2009
                    • 6505

                    #10
                    Re: BAGM Mode: Rosters

                    First, I'm tweaking potentials. I'm making the max potential 3.5 stars medium for prospects to be drafted, and 3 stars medium for the NHLers with the most potential.

                    I'm also editting the star players first, curtailing some of the exaggerated ratings.

                    E.g. Steven Stamkos
                    Slap Shot Power 99 --> 90
                    Slap Shot Accuracy 99
                    Wrist Shot Power 99 ----> 90
                    Wrist Shot Accuracy 99

                    But other maxed ratings I left alone, such as the maxed balance and strength for Chara and Byfuglien.

                    The changes I'm making will be fairly minor as I like the rosters, but noticeable and important.
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                    • SH15
                      Rookie
                      • Jun 2013
                      • 28

                      #11
                      Re: BAGM Mode: Rosters

                      Hey guys,

                      Just found this site, absolutely love it!

                      Quick question hoping someone has experience with...

                      I don't have Xbox Live so can't get Roster Updates. So before starting my Be A GM, I manually updated all the rosters. I thought the 2012 Draft Class would be assigned to their proper teams, but as I'm sure you know, they're not! So Yakupov, Galchenyuk etc., are all in the 2013 Draft after Year 1 of my Be A GM (lame!)

                      A solution I thought of is assigning all these players to the appropriate AHL teams (Yakupov - OKC, Galchenyuk - Hamilton), but will this not negatively affect their developments? I control the Leafs so while I can send Rielly back to Junior, the rest may be stuck in limbo!

                      Basically my question is - without Xbox Live/Roster Update, is there a better way to ensure the 2012 Draft Class is on the proper team without moving them to the AHL team before starting your Be A GM?

                      Thanks a lot guys!

                      SH15

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                      • Cycloniac
                        Man, myth, legend.
                        • May 2009
                        • 6505

                        #12
                        Re: BAGM Mode: Rosters

                        Originally posted by SH15
                        Hey guys,

                        Just found this site, absolutely love it!

                        Quick question hoping someone has experience with...

                        I don't have Xbox Live so can't get Roster Updates. So before starting my Be A GM, I manually updated all the rosters. I thought the 2012 Draft Class would be assigned to their proper teams, but as I'm sure you know, they're not! So Yakupov, Galchenyuk etc., are all in the 2013 Draft after Year 1 of my Be A GM (lame!)

                        A solution I thought of is assigning all these players to the appropriate AHL teams (Yakupov - OKC, Galchenyuk - Hamilton), but will this not negatively affect their developments? I control the Leafs so while I can send Rielly back to Junior, the rest may be stuck in limbo!

                        Basically my question is - without Xbox Live/Roster Update, is there a better way to ensure the 2012 Draft Class is on the proper team without moving them to the AHL team before starting your Be A GM?

                        Thanks a lot guys!

                        SH15
                        Uhmm, well you could do that. It wouldn't negatively affect progression. Also, you could download a roster via USB in the roster subsection of this forum which takes care of this problem.
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                        • Bretsky523
                          Pro
                          • Sep 2012
                          • 959

                          #13
                          Re: BAGM Mode: Rosters

                          honestly i think that EA's roster does justice, everyone says they make terrible rosters but imo there the best ones out there. There is little to no risk of glitches and they have every player you would want exept for College guys Russians, Players past 2014 Draft (there like 12 ya stalkers ) and a few europeans. Just make a few tweaks here and there and I find that they are a good set.
                          "
                          NHLREVAMPED - Prospect Specialist
                          REVAMPEDROSTERS-
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                          NHL13 - http://goo.gl/Gmb9sf


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                          • Cycloniac
                            Man, myth, legend.
                            • May 2009
                            • 6505

                            #14
                            Re: BAGM Mode: Rosters

                            Originally posted by Bretsky523
                            honestly i think that EA's roster does justice, everyone says they make terrible rosters but imo there the best ones out there. There is little to no risk of glitches and they have every player you would want exept for College guys Russians, Players past 2014 Draft (there like 12 ya stalkers ) and a few europeans. Just make a few tweaks here and there and I find that they are a good set.
                            The progression of players is absolutely atrocious with EA's default rosters. Maybe they're decent for play now, but not for BAGM.
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                            • Bretsky523
                              Pro
                              • Sep 2012
                              • 959

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Cycloniac
                              The progression of players is absolutely atrocious with EA's default rosters. Maybe they're decent for play now, but not for BAGM.
                              Honestly I see your point, but don't at the same time haha.
                              "
                              NHLREVAMPED - Prospect Specialist
                              REVAMPEDROSTERS-
                              NHL14 - http://goo.gl/rtEVLy
                              NHL13 - http://goo.gl/Gmb9sf


                              CYCLONIAC'S MUSIC PACK - http://goo.gl/oPQtZt

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