Madden NFL 25 - How To Stop The Read Option (MyMaddenPad)

[The_Rick_14]

Re: Madden NFL 25 - How To Stop The Read Option (MyMaddenPad)

You mean like in real life? I don't like this at all. So far the NFL hasn't shown an ability to stop the read option. Why give the user one button that will essentially take all the randomness out of it.

When the Redskins played the Dallas Cowboys in week 17, Washington left DeMarcus Ware unblocked on just about every running play and left him to make the call. Ware was rendered useless for much of the game because of the great ball handling of RGIII and his natural aggression. Dallas coaches were telling DeMarcus to stay at home and not bail on his assignment, but he kept doing it. Now EA gives us a button to take that away.

Based on most running plays in Madden 13, the best way to stop this would be to just have the defender take the QB, because the blocking on the rest of the play was rather bad. Not a fan of this move at all. And yes I do use the Redskins and see the potential to limit the impact of my QB.

Was that said somewhere that the Dallas coaches were telling Ware to stay at home? Because I just found the Redskins offensive plays in that game on youtube and to me I looks like the gameplan was to check the back first and then pursue because not once does Ware (or the other DE) ignore the back.

[N51_rob]

Re: Madden NFL 25 - How To Stop The Read Option (MyMaddenPad)

Super Bowl was not won by a Read Option team. I get what you're saying, I just disagree...Also, get a QB, that million dollar baby, knocked out of a game or more and you will see a new story told...

Serious question. How many shots did the big three Wilson, Griffin, and Kap take on read option plays. Very few big ones and none that injured them. RGIII was injured twice on scrambles called from drop back passing plays where he made stupid decisions. vs Atlanta stayed in bounds for 3 extra yards on vs Baltimore ran back to the middle of the field vs running OOB, vs Seattle re-injured it trying to make an across the body throw.

You mention that a read-option team lost in the super bowl. Fair point but all three read option teams made the play-offs and two won their division.

Defenses just need to spread the play is all; maintain gaps and pursuit paths...Teams that got beat by the Read Option where over zealous and bunched their defenses up; the GB Packers are a perfect example; they lacked patience and discipline to contain the Read Option.

Easier said than done, though. How do you reign in that natural aggression of a defender who has been trained his whole life to chase the football when you see it and to tackle the running back? There is a reason that Georgia Tech has success against teams that only have 1 week to prepare for it, and struggle during bowl games when teams have a month. Its very hard to tell a guy one thing for 16 weeks then tell him to do something completely different for 1 week.

But you are welcome to your opinion and you respected mine, and I can will do that same for you. Defense will make adjustments and contain some aspects of it, but the chess match will continue as these offense add new wrinkles as well. It will be a good season to have Game ReWind and access to coaches film.

[roadman]

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Serious question. How many shots did the big three Wilson, Griffin, and Kap take on read option plays. Very few big ones and none that injured them. RGIII was injured twice on scrambles called from drop back passing plays where he made stupid decisions. vs Atlanta stayed in bounds for 3 extra yards on vs Baltimore ran back to the middle of the field vs running OOB, vs Seattle re-injured it trying to make an across the body throw.

You mention that a read-option team lost in the super bowl. Fair point but all three read option teams made the play-offs and two won their division.



Easier said than done, though. How do you reign in that natural aggression of a defender who has been trained his whole life to chase the football when you see it and to tackle the running back? There is a reason that Georgia Tech has success against teams that only have 1 week to prepare for it, and struggle during bowl games when teams have a month. Its very hard to tell a guy one thing for 16 weeks then tell him to do something completely different for 1 week.

But you are welcome to your opinion and you respected mine, and I can will do that same for you. Defense will make adjustments and contain some aspects of it, but the chess match will continue as these offense add new wrinkles as well. It will be a good season to have Game ReWind and access to coaches film.

Heck, McCarthy sent all his defensive coaches to a training session with Texas A & M.

http://www.foxsportswest.com/mobile/story/texas-am-helping-packers-with-read-optio?blockID=871497&tagID=11049

[Facts]

This is great news. People who run RO over and over can be stopped easily now. How to you beat the defense though? Set'em up and make them pay for cheating over to the RO. Throw over the LB biting down or run at the gap that the DLman should be.

Love that they gave more user control to the user on defense. This is realistic. Really wish they put the gameplan feature from NCAA to Madden. More user coaching involved.

[jeffmanqb3]

Re: Madden NFL 25 - How To Stop The Read Option (MyMaddenPad)

I believe this is a great addition. I have a hard time believing NFL defensive ends randomly pick who to attack like they do in previous Madden games. I should be able to tell my end to stay at home if I'm playing someone like Washington. However, I think there should be some incorrect reads if the player has a low awareness or play recognition rating.

[hanzsomehanz]

I should be able to tell my end to stay at home if I'm playing someone like Washington.

You already can.

Go look at your defensive, single player hot audibles - you can set an individual edge contain.

EA needs to teach Football and rid themselves of this high-end waiter mindset that caters to serving success on a gold platter.

Because someone is lacking competence and or too lazy to study their control concepts, we warrant these training wheels? It is no wonder the gimmicks make the game feel so easy breezy.

Ignorance is selling this bliss.


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[jpdavis82]

Re: Madden NFL 25 - How To Stop The Read Option (MyMaddenPad)

You already can.

Go look at your defensive, single player hot audibles - you can set an individual edge contain.

EA needs to teach Football and rid themselves of this high-end waiter mindset that caters to serving success on a gold platter.

Because someone is lacking competence and or too lazy to study their control concepts, we warrant these training wheels? It is no wonder the gimmicks make the game feel so easy breezy.

Ignorance is selling this bliss.


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I believe that is what the skills trainer is going to be used for. Help teach people football.

[jeffmanqb3]

Re: Madden NFL 25 - How To Stop The Read Option (MyMaddenPad)

You already can.

Go look at your defensive, single player hot audibles - you can set an individual edge contain.

EA needs to teach Football and rid themselves of this high-end waiter mindset that caters to serving success on a gold platter.

Because someone is lacking competence and or too lazy to study their control concepts, we warrant these training wheels? It is no wonder the gimmicks make the game feel so easy breezy.

Ignorance is selling this bliss.


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I have a couple of things. First, the edge contain hot route does not work. The end will still follow the running back. Second, what if the offense doesn't run a read option? I shouldn't lose a pass rusher every time the offense passes out of pistol or shotgun because I want to contain the quarterback on read option.

[infemous]

Re: Madden NFL 25 - How To Stop The Read Option (MyMaddenPad)

I'm in two minds on this one.

Personally, I think it is stupid when an opponent calls a read option play over and over again and the DL attacks the RB every time.

I find it hard to believe that the DeMarcus Ware example from last year will repeat itself.

I do however feel that no-one in their right mind would ever go after the RB. This makes this control function slightly overpowered...

I wonder how this works for play action off the option? Can you automatically know whether it is a run or play action based off of this control?

[jeffmanqb3]

Re: Madden NFL 25 - How To Stop The Read Option (MyMaddenPad)

Here is a video of edge contain

[TheDelta]

Re: Madden NFL 25 - How To Stop The Read Option (MyMaddenPad)

I do however feel that no-one in their right mind would ever go after the RB. This makes this control function slightly overpowered...

Um so I give/pitch every single time and have one defender I never need to worry about?

[jeffmanqb3]

Re: Madden NFL 25 - How To Stop The Read Option (MyMaddenPad)

Um so I give/pitch every single time and have one defender I never need to worry about?

That's exactly the point of read options.

[hanzsomehanz]

I have a couple of things. First, the edge contain hot route does not work. The end will still follow the running back. Second, what if the offense doesn't run a read option? I shouldn't lose a pass rusher every time the offense passes out of pistol or shotgun because I want to contain the quarterback on read option.

Jeff, ratings distinguish discipline.

The QBs PA ability and offensive success/prowess in the run game will have an influence over your edge contain guy(s). On Defense it is your play recognition, awareness and pursuit.

It is not a foolproof strategy either way: the offense is also given a visual aide to help identify the reads in defense that signal when to hold on and when to let go.

I am not naive to understanding why they have given the offense and defense this ability but it is damn near spoon-feeding.

Why even have PRC? The ability to recognize and decipher deception and stay disciplined, if it can be so easily overriden. There is a recovery chance in the read option. If you fall for the bait you can still recover with pursuit or safety help - you have ten teammates.

I cannot fathom the sudden hand flailing when a mission fails.

In my experience, I will highlight coverage on the RB and put edge contain on the DEs or 34 edge rush LBs. I can also user the Safety. Is this plan of attack successful all the time? No, and that is as it should be.

I am aware this mechanism is not fool proof and defenders should still err but if the motions slowly develop well then it becomes a mini battle on both sides, kind of like a rock-papers-sissors match: this is not Football strategy.

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[Trick13]

Re: Madden NFL 25 - How To Stop The Read Option (MyMaddenPad)

You mean like in real life? I don't like this at all. So far the NFL hasn't shown an ability to stop the read option. Why give the user one button that will essentially take all the randomness out of it.

When the Redskins played the Dallas Cowboys in week 17, Washington left DeMarcus Ware unblocked on just about every running play and left him to make the call. Ware was rendered useless for much of the game because of the great ball handling of RGIII and his natural aggression. Dallas coaches were telling DeMarcus to stay at home and not bail on his assignment, but he kept doing it. Now EA gives us a button to take that away.

Based on most running plays in Madden 13, the best way to stop this would be to just have the defender take the QB, because the blocking on the rest of the play was rather bad. Not a fan of this move at all. And yes I do use the Redskins and see the potential to limit the impact of my QB.

On the part of the Cowboys (vs Redskins) - horrible coaching job - Ravens did just what any intelligent coaching staff would do against any running QB - beat his backside every chance you get - game plan and say if there is an option to your side of the field - go kill the qb -if there is even a chance he might have the ball, blast him.

And it isn't like the Ravens were the first team to use that strategy - Patriots did it to Tebow in the playoffs - Tampa Bay used to beat the heck out of Vick and made him look very pedestrian - by just running through him - if you miss no big deal, but go at him hard every single chance you get. The read option won't last long, teams will start shying away from it, because you are likely going to be losing your starting QB too often.

I think this is a necessary counter point to read option plays. Replicates being the coach and saying to your guys at certain positions "your job is to make the opponents quit running that garbage college crap by beating the ever loving heck out of their QB every chance they give you!!!"

[N51_rob]

Re: Madden NFL 25 - How To Stop The Read Option (MyMaddenPad)

On the part of the Cowboys (vs Redskins) - horrible coaching job - Ravens did just what any intelligent coaching staff would do against any running QB - beat his backside every chance you get - game plan and say if there is an option to your side of the field - go kill the qb -if there is even a chance he might have the ball, blast him.

And it isn't like the Ravens were the first team to use that strategy - Patriots did it to Tebow in the playoffs - Tampa Bay used to beat the heck out of Vick and made him look very pedestrian - by just running through him - if you miss no big deal, but go at him hard every single chance you get. The read option won't last long, teams will start shying away from it, because you are likely going to be losing your starting QB too often.

I think this is a necessary counter point to read option plays. Replicates being the coach and saying to your guys at certain positions "your job is to make the opponents quit running that garbage college crap by beating the ever loving heck out of their QB every chance they give you!!!"

Not sure what Ravens game you watched, but that isn't at all what happened. Baltimore was very, very disciplined in their edge defense and made Griffin hand the ball off, but they were not hitting him on the read option. (The Bengals did that though.) They hit him on passing plays, and that Nata hit which didn't come on a read option but on a scramble on a passing play.

Tebow wasn't the passing threat that Kap, Griffin and Wilson are/were/is. Vick didn't run this offense when he was in Atlanta.

I'm not saying that defense won't catch up or catch on to this. But its easy to say that you just tell the guy to "stay at home" or "go get the QB". Its a whole different thing for that edge guy to stay at home as Alfred Morris takes the ball and breaks off runs of 6, 5, 4, 6, 6, 4, 26 yards while you just stand there and watch. Eventually the competitive nature of the end guy will take over and he will abandon his assignment. It actually happened in the Ravens game, but Griffin was so conditioned to give the ball to Morris he missed the read.

I have no problem with EA adding this assist for the defender, but my problem will be when a DE/OLB with 20 awareness and 25 play recognition is supremely disciplined in his defense because of an audible/button press. Someone remind me when EA has introduced something in the game and it hasn't been overpowered in recent memory?