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  • DorianDonP
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    • May 2010
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    #1

    LHN, SECN, ABC, ESPN2, ESPNU branding...

    Has anyone ever asked the devs why these aren't included in the game for presentation?

    I'm pretty sure I know the answer. Just wondering if an answer has ever been stated on record.
    Last edited by DorianDonP; 06-05-2013, 09:06 PM.
  • DorianDonP
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    • May 2010
    • 1121

    #2
    Re: LHN, SECN, ABC, ESPN2 branding...

    And just fwiw

    LHN-Longhorn Metwork

    SECN-SEC Network

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    • Mckinley Cash
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      • May 2012
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      #3
      Love this question, but I'll hate the answer.

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      • TDenverFan
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        • Jan 2011
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        #4
        Re: LHN, SECN, ABC, ESPN2, ESPNU branding...

        Aside from cost, time is also a major factor. Think of how many unique lines are in the game, and the announcing is still very repetitive. This crew has been there for years, with new lines tossed in with every new game. To get new announcers, it could take weeks for just one crew to run through all their lines. They need to say every player name, team name, introductions, and lines for every scenario. Even then, it's likely the new announcers wouldn't be as well polished and would have a smaller set of lines to say.

        Plus, some of those networks (LHN, SECN) apply to so few games I doubt it would be a good use of time. Throwing in a smaller ESPN crew or two would be nice, since a game between Idaho and NMSU would never get a big ESPN announcing crew.
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        • DorianDonP
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          • May 2010
          • 1121

          #5
          Re: LHN, SECN, ABC, ESPN2, ESPNU branding...

          Originally posted by TDenverFan
          Aside from cost, time is also a major factor. Think of how many unique lines are in the game, and the announcing is still very repetitive. This crew has been there for years, with new lines tossed in with every new game. To get new announcers, it could take weeks for just one crew to run through all their lines. They need to say every player name, team name, introductions, and lines for every scenario. Even then, it's likely the new announcers wouldn't be as well polished and would have a smaller set of lines to say.

          Plus, some of those networks (LHN, SECN) apply to so few games I doubt it would be a good use of time. Throwing in a smaller ESPN crew or two would be nice, since a game between Idaho and NMSU would never get a big ESPN announcing crew.
          Perfectly understandable and reasonable. But I'm not even talking about different announcing teams (although obviously that is the ultimate goal). Just ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, SECN, and LHN branding (scorecards, music, graphics) for games...instead of every game being on ESPN.
          Last edited by DorianDonP; 06-05-2013, 09:59 PM.

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          • AUTiger1
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            • Oct 2008
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            #6
            Re: LHN, SECN, ABC, ESPN2, ESPNU branding...

            Originally posted by DorianDonP
            Perfectly understandable and reasonable. But I'm not even talking about different announcing teams (although obviously that is the ultimate goal). Just ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, SECN, and LHN branding (scorecards, music, graphics) for games...instead of every game being on ESPN.
            That would be really cool to see. Maybe next year on the new consoles.
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            • Watson
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              • Jul 2008
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              #7
              Re: LHN, SECN, ABC, ESPN2 branding...

              Originally posted by DorianDonP
              And just fwiw

              LHN-Longhorn Metwork

              SECN-SEC Network
              OOOOOHHHHHHH. Thanks for clearing that one up.
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              • BA2929
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                • Jul 2008
                • 3342

                #8
                Re: LHN, SECN, ABC, ESPN2, ESPNU branding...

                Originally posted by DorianDonP
                Perfectly understandable and reasonable. But I'm not even talking about different announcing teams (although obviously that is the ultimate goal). Just ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, SECN, and LHN branding (scorecards, music, graphics) for games...instead of every game being on ESPN.
                ABC broadcasts usually have the ESPN branding, so you can take that one off because everything is basically the same outside of a few DSRs. I think ESPN just acquired the SEC Network and won't even officially be out there until 2014, so that would be impossible for them to turn that around this quickly, so you can take that one off. Plus, I think CBS has the main rights to the best SEC games anyway and the SEC championship. The LHN only shows Texas games, right? And only like 3 games a year I think.....? So that would be a waste of resources to put that in the game for such a small sample size.

                So, there are your answers, I guess.

                I'm not 100% up on my TV football rights though, so I could be a little off on a few of these, but I think I got them pretty much correct.
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                • AUTiger1
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                  • Oct 2008
                  • 2413

                  #9
                  Re: LHN, SECN, ABC, ESPN2, ESPNU branding...

                  Originally posted by BA2929
                  ABC broadcasts usually have the ESPN branding, so you can take that one off because everything is basically the same outside of a few DSRs. I think ESPN just acquired the SEC Network and won't even officially be out there until 2014, so that would be impossible for them to turn that around this quickly, so you can take that one off. Plus, I think CBS has the main rights to the best SEC games anyway and the SEC championship. The LHN only shows Texas games, right? And only like 3 games a year I think.....? So that would be a waste of resources to put that in the game for such a small sample size.

                  So, there are your answers, I guess.

                  I'm not 100% up on my TV football rights though, so I could be a little off on a few of these, but I think I got them pretty much correct.
                  Well when the SEC is the home team of a game on ESPN it's branded as SEC on ESPN and it says SEC in the score bug and on screen graphics instead of ESPN.

                  When the ACC is the home team of a game on ESPN it's branded as ACC on ESPN and it says ACC in the score bug and on screen graphics instead of ESPN.

                  That would be nice to add.

                  I also agree that it would be nice to have more than 1 group of broadcasters. The top ESPN crew of Brent and Kirk would never do a Tuesday night MAC game between Ball State and Central Michigan.
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                  • mrprice33
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                    #10
                    Re: LHN, SECN, ABC, ESPN2, ESPNU branding...

                    I would imagine cost of licensing is the issue.

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                    • DirtyJerz32
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                      Re: LHN, SECN, ABC, ESPN2, ESPNU branding...

                      Will never happen in our lifetimes. Way to much money would need to change hands to make this happen.
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                      • AUTiger1
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                        • Oct 2008
                        • 2413

                        #12
                        Re: LHN, SECN, ABC, ESPN2, ESPNU branding...

                        Originally posted by mrprice33
                        I would imagine cost of licensing is the issue.
                        Yeah that could be. It's pretty cool they have read advertisements in.

                        I'm keep hoping and waiting for MLB The Show to pay up to get real advertisements like in the 2k baseball game.

                        I remember I used to have this dream a lot about video games having virtual commercials. Sounds weird. But I can still remember that dream like it was yesterday.
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                        • DorianDonP
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                          • May 2010
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                          #13
                          Re: LHN, SECN, ABC, ESPN2, ESPNU branding...

                          Originally posted by BA2929
                          ABC broadcasts usually have the ESPN branding, so you can take that one off because everything is basically the same outside of a few DSRs. I think ESPN just acquired the SEC Network and won't even officially be out there until 2014, so that would be impossible for them to turn that around this quickly, so you can take that one off. Plus, I think CBS has the main rights to the best SEC games anyway and the SEC championship. The LHN only shows Texas games, right? And only like 3 games a year I think.....? So that would be a waste of resources to put that in the game for such a small sample size.

                          So, there are your answers, I guess.

                          I'm not 100% up on my TV football rights though, so I could be a little off on a few of these, but I think I got them pretty much correct.
                          Good points, though I don't know if I agree with "taking them off".

                          The ESPN broadcast style is fairly ubiquitous, but there are some branding differences.

                          Last year for SEC games



                          Last year ESPNU games



                          Last year ESPN2



                          LHN games



                          I think I do agree with your reasoning as to why they haven't put it in. That was what I meant in the OP when I said I think I already know. These little details may not be feature heavy enough to justify the time and resources.

                          There have been small iterations of broadcast branding in past sports games, but I just always thought it would be cool if a game with a liscence used it all the way. Every week with a full schedule of ESPN, ESPN 2, ESPNU, and ABC games. You know how now in dynasty you can click on the entire nations schedule for that week, and there is a logo for national/regional broadcast games? I imagine replacing those icons with ESPN family of channel icons.

                          Only the top teams get on TV and only the top games get those primetime/attractive slots while lesser games get ESPNU or noon games.

                          Always thought that could tie into program prestige and such too. How many ESPN primetime games do you get in a season? How many times are you thrown on ESPNU at noon?

                          In real life when you look at the ticker on the bottom of the screen, the games being played on a ESPN family channel will have the branding of that game.



                          I think it just adds a layer of fresh appeal to each game that you play. Big games feel bigger. That said, as much as I'd personally enjoy it, I can still see that it's probably not a priority for the dev team when it comes to presentation since they are still trying to get one presentation style right.

                          I am still wondering has it ever been asked and answered though. My assumption might not be what they actually feel.

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                          • HozAndMoose
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                            • Mar 2013
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                            #14
                            Re: LHN, SECN, ABC, ESPN2, ESPNU branding...

                            I think a lot of this could be changed on next gen. If they gave us the opportunity to add logos to the game would be great. Its a long shot but it could work.

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                            • Equinox831
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                              • Sep 2009
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                              #15
                              Re: LHN, SECN, ABC, ESPN2, ESPNU branding...

                              There's no way this isn't doable. Games like FIFA 13 pull off having multiple overlays and keeping great presentation all while being chalk full with hundreds of teams and tons of features. NCAA can do it too.
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