Cam Weber: Madden NFL 25 on Next-Gen Will be Fully Featured

[kehlis]

Are you kidding? Do you think people don't know what you're talking about?

This same skeptical fear is in every single thread on this forum. You guys feel the need to tell anyone who doesn't see it your way, over and over and over.

Trust me, this forum knows how you folks feel.

People are allowed to not like the game as much as you are allowed to like the game and post about how much you like the game in any thread you wish.

Enough of this now, drop it.

[infemous]

Re: Cam Weber: Madden NFL 25 on Next-Gen Will be Fully Featured

There's an enormous difference between implementing foot-planting animations and implementing a system that accounts for physics and weight.

Adrian Peterson is planting his feet but not at a rate which real physics would dictate; the players appear light as feathers, and what was once swiveling is now supplanted by rapid fire "foot plants" and weightless changes of direction. I realize it's pre-alpha but I seriously doubt the weight and physics I'm talking about wouldn't be present already.

THIS X10000000000!!!!!!!

MY GOD how hard is it to understand this EA???

WE ARE BEGGING YOU!

[elgreazy1]

It still looks like the same game from last gen. I simply just don't understand, EA. Eh well, looks like I can give up on next-gen football altogether at this point and I didn't even have to buy a new console to come to that harsh reality. $500+ saved.

[bucky60]

Re: Cam Weber: Madden NFL 25 on Next-Gen Will be Fully Featured

It still looks like the same game from last gen. I simply just don't understand, EA. Eh well, looks like I can give up on next-gen football altogether at this point and I didn't even have to buy a new console to come to that harsh reality. $500+ saved.

It may look similar to this gen, but I may still wait for next gen depending on how the CPU AI looks. It's the 50+calcs/second that intrigues me. Are players going to play a lot smarter? It will also depend on the off field CPU AI. If these things are much improved, I may get next gen madden.

[stp2081]

Re: Cam Weber: Madden NFL 25 on Next-Gen Will be Fully Featured

It may look similar to this gen, but I may still wait for next gen depending on how the CPU AI looks. It's the 50+calcs/second that intrigues me. Are players going to play a lot smarter? It will also depend on the off field CPU AI. If these things are much improved, I may get next gen madden.

Based on past history, do you expect the developers to re-write the CPU AI code to maximize (or really, even take advantage of) the use of the 50+calcs/second without making it a strong marketing point (because it likely requires much developer effort)? Perhaps my expectations are too low, but I don't expect much of a difference other than slight graphics improvement, and certainly not AI improvement (although I bet there will be a "placebo effect" amongst some playing on a new system).

Basically, the system's power can't re-write the game's code, and I would be shocked if EA took the time to beef up the AI code to be at a level beyond what current-gen does, and then not market/publicize the heck out of that amazing feat.

[bucky60]

Re: Cam Weber: Madden NFL 25 on Next-Gen Will be Fully Featured

Based on past history, do you expect the developers to re-write the CPU AI code to maximize (or really, even take advantage of) the use of the 50+calcs/second without making it a strong marketing point (because it likely requires much developer effort)? Perhaps my expectations are too low, but I don't expect much of a difference other than slight graphics improvement, and certainly not AI improvement (although I bet there will be a "placebo effect" amongst some playing on a new system).

Basically, the system's power can't re-write the game's code, and I would be shocked if EA took the time to beef up the AI code to be at a level beyond what current-gen does, and then not market/publicize the heck out of that amazing feat.

I was listening to the E3 interview with Cam Weber and he clearly mentioned how the players would be aware of the entire field and act individually. It was a major emphasis of his interview. Do I expect it to be much better? With what Cam Weber said, I wouldn't be surprised either way. I wouldn't bet my Brothers house on it (I never bet my own), but I may still wait and see if their is a major difference with on field CPU AI.

Now the off field CPU AI is a different story. There have been no time constraints on this gen, just power and memory constraints. The off field CPU AI has all the time in the world to crunch that stuff (it's not real time code). But I'll still check come November and see if it's significantly improved.

What other choice do I have.

[RogueHominid]

Re: Cam Weber: Madden NFL 25 on Next-Gen Will be Fully Featured

I made it through the first 10 pages of this thread before thinking that I must be missing something because the player models, true step movement, and blocking schemes all looked good to me.

The biggest sell for me was the claim that players will make 50 more contextual adjustments per second than they did before. That's amazing from an AI perspective.

I saw double team blocking, good edge rushes, intelligent OL play, a nice range of tackle animations, and impressive detail.

I also thought Cam Weber's talk matched the footage. He seemed very sensible. The video breakdown early in the thread was also very sensible. If CCM has what last year's had plus the variable performance where drafted players don't perform the same way in each draft class (some stink in your version while the same guys are stars in mine), then I'm sold.

But again, I must be missing something. I like it.

[Skyboxer]

Re: Cam Weber: Madden NFL 25 on Next-Gen Will be Fully Featured

I was listening to the E3 interview with Cam Weber and he clearly mentioned how the players would be aware of the entire field and act individually. It was a major emphasis of his interview. Do I expect it to be much better? With what Cam Weber said, I wouldn't be surprised either way. I wouldn't bet my Brothers house on it (I never bet my own), but I may still wait and see if their is a major difference with on field CPU AI.

Now the off field CPU AI is a different story. There have been no time constraints on this gen, just power and memory constraints. The off field CPU AI has all the time in the world to crunch that stuff (it's not real time code). But I'll still check come November and see if it's significantly improved.

What other choice do I have.

I just hope he means players are aware of the total field "That is in their line of sight".

[gr18]

Re: Cam Weber: Madden NFL 25 on Next-Gen Will be Fully Featured

I think there's alot of bias in this forum regarding next gen.

You have the people that already pre-ordered and are all in for it.The rose colored glasses are on and you couldn't tell them it's going to be anything but great and 100X better than current gen.

Then you have the people that are going out of their way to call it crap.Part of this may be that they aren't enamored by the idea of buying a new system right now.

[bucky60]

Re: Cam Weber: Madden NFL 25 on Next-Gen Will be Fully Featured

I just hope he means players are aware of the total field "That is in their line of sight".

That's true. I should have been more careful with my wording. Yes, I don't want them seeing out the back of there heads either. Thanks for the correction.

[Skyboxer]

Re: Cam Weber: Madden NFL 25 on Next-Gen Will be Fully Featured

I think there's alot of bias in this forum regarding next gen.

You have the people that already pre-ordered and are all in for it.The rose colored glasses are on and you couldn't tell them it's going to be anything but great and 100X better than current gen.

Then you have the people that are going out of their way to call it crap.Part of this may be that they aren't enamored by the idea of buying a new system right now.

There's a lot of bias period. That's why I don't pay attention to anyone who seems they need to let me know how a game is good or bad.
Some seriously seem to take it personally if you like or dislike something the like or dislike. I'll never understand that.

My $ so I'll decide what I think looks good or bad.

[gr18]

Re: Cam Weber: Madden NFL 25 on Next-Gen Will be Fully Featured

There's a lot of bias period. That's why I don't pay attention to anyone who seems they need to let me know how a game is good or bad.
Some seriously seem to take it personally if you like or dislike something the like or dislike. I'll never understand that.

My $ so I'll decide what I think looks good or bad.

I agree that people don't respect opinions and take it too personally.I really don't know how anyone can look into the crystal ball and tell how this years next gen version will turn out.That's why I believe the smartest place to be right now is on the fence.

[rebecca123]

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[bigad216]

Can someone please tell me you can play with a created player on ccm offline this year please tell me

[HILLTOPPER3339]

Re: Cam Weber: Madden NFL 25 on Next-Gen Will be Fully Featured

I think there's alot of bias in this forum regarding next gen.

You have the people that already pre-ordered and are all in for it.The rose colored glasses are on and you couldn't tell them it's going to be anything but great and 100X better than current gen.

Then you have the people that are going out of their way to call it crap.Part of this may be that they aren't enamored by the idea of buying a new system right now.

This is probably true, but it doesn't really add to the discussion any more than the biased views do.

It's pretty easy to pick out the posts relating facts and evidence-based opinions from the mindless propaganda of either side.

From what I've experienced, the initial trailer for the game excited me, because not just foot-planting, but a real sense of weight seem to accompany the players; runners were making one cut and driving up-field.

In the practice mode video, however, it appears as though that weight was more of an editing trick than anything; it's true that Peterson and the others are playing their feet and aren't "ice-skating" in the strictest sense, but what's happening is that the effect of ice-skating and swiveling is essentially the same, since weight and true momentum doesn't seem to be a factor in dictating when and how a player can plant their feet in the first place. I went from strong optimism to pessimism pretty quickly on that count, because I was willing to give the game a chance if only the very basic fundamentals of player movement were finally resolved. Despite the relative newness of the build, such fundamentals should be present, since, ideally, the rest of the gameplay would be built from that foundation.