Ben's Hybrid Slider Set

**The JareBear** · 07-08-2013, 01:23 PM

Re: Ben's Hybrid Slider Set

So I asked this and others must not be sure how it works, maybe you can help me

If I'm trying to make a hybrid set, heisman offense AA defense, should I have the following formula:

Following sliders set to heisman numbers:

User - QBA, pass block, catching, run block, run ability
CPU - rush defense, tackling, pass defense, int

Following sliders set to AA numbers

User - rush defense, tackling, pass defense, int
CPU - QBA, pass block, catching, run block, run ability

Or am I doing it wrong?

**BenGerman** · 07-08-2013, 01:31 PM

Re: Ben's Hybrid Slider Set

Originally posted by jaredlib

So I asked this and others must not be sure how it works, maybe you can help me

If I'm trying to make a hybrid set, heisman offense AA defense, should I have the following formula:

Following sliders set to heisman numbers:

User - QBA, pass block, catching, run block, run ability
CPU - rush defense, tackling, pass defense, int

Following sliders set to AA numbers

User - rush defense, tackling, pass defense, int
CPU - QBA, pass block, catching, run block, run ability

Or am I doing it wrong?

I think you have it right! Like I said, I feel the game plays pretty well close to default on the Heisman/AA difficulty. Next time you play a game, post some stats. We'll see how it turns out for you, and if you the numbers still look wonky to you, we'll try and figure it out.

**BenGerman** · 07-08-2013, 03:10 PM

Re: Ben's Hybrid Slider Set

Just played an incredible game against Michigan, as South Carolina.

<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /><link href="http://dynasties.operationsports.com/css/osdyn.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"></head><body><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn" width="575"><tr class="masthead"><td align="center" colspan="6">South Carolina Gamecocks at Michigan Wolverines</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="48%">Jan 1, </td><td align="right" width="10%">1ST</td><td align="right" width="10%">2ND</td><td align="right" width="10%">3RD</td><td align="right" width="10%">4TH</td><td align="right" width="12%">SCORE</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td><span style="color:#CC0000;">#8</span> South Carolina Gamecocks ()</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right" class="active">14</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Michigan Wolverines ()</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">14</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right" class="active">20</td></tr></table><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn spacer" width="575"><tr class="masthead"><td colspan="3">Team Stats Comparison</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="60%"></td><td align="center" width="20%">SCAR</td><td align="center" width="20%">MICH</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Total Offense</td><td align="center">126</td><td align="center">332</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Rushing Yards</td><td align="center">108</td><td align="center">58</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Passing Yards</td><td align="center">7/14 (108)</td><td align="center">22/29 (278)</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">First Downs</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center">17</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Punt Return Yards</td><td align="center">11</td><td align="center">41</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Kick Return Yards</td><td align="center">172</td><td align="center">72</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Total Yards</td><td align="center"></td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Turnovers</td><td align="center">1</td><td align="center">1</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">3rd Down Converstion</td><td align="center">1/9</td><td align="center">7/15</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">4th Down Conversion</td><td align="center">0/2</td><td align="center">1/1</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">2-Point Conversion</td><td align="center">0</td><td align="center">0</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Red Zone Touchdowns/Field Goals</td><td align="center">0-0-0</td><td align="center">6-1-2</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Penalties</td><td align="center"></td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Posession Time</td><td align="center">11:03</td><td align="center">20:57</td></tr></table></body></html>

Notes:

As you can see, I pretty much got handled. The only reason it was even this close was because I returned a kick with Ellington, and broke a long run on my first drive.
Michigan had excellent late game play-calling. They ran the ball just about every play under five minutes.
I don't think I've ever been shut out like that offensively.
It was pretty clear USC had the better defensive line (5 sacks), but UM easily had the better WR's. I learned a little bit too late that I should have been calling more zone. It worked well once I committed to zone and letting my front four get pressure.
Almost all of Michigans carries went for 3 or 4 yards, but they did have a couple of longer ones. They would have had around 100 yards if it weren't for Clowney and the sacks.
Saw a few really cool plays that exemplified rating differential. On a 3rd and 1, Clowney split the OL and got to the running back before he could make the first down.
Another cool example I saw was Conner Shaw threw a perfect pass that got dropped, and then picked off my UM. They ran the very same play their next drive, and their impact WR caught it, broke a tackle, and then juked my safety for a TD.

**jeremym480** · 07-09-2013, 09:19 AM

Re: Ben's Hybrid Slider Set

I've been using these sliders for my past four games and have had competitive games each time.

Last night I played Penn St (me) and Wisconsin and lost 21-14. They actually were winning 21-0 in the 4th Quarter and I scored twice in the last 3-4 minutes to make it some what respectable.

* this was with 8 minute quarters

Here's the Box Score:

<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /><link href="http://dynasties.operationsports.com/css/osdyn.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"></head><body><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn" width="575"><tr class="masthead"><td align="center" colspan="6">Penn State Nittany Lions at Wisconsin Badgers</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="48%">Jan 1, </td><td align="right" width="10%">1ST</td><td align="right" width="10%">2ND</td><td align="right" width="10%">3RD</td><td align="right" width="10%">4TH</td><td align="right" width="12%">SCORE</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Penn State Nittany Lions ()</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right" class="active">21</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Wisconsin Badgers ()</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">14</td><td align="right" class="active">14</td></tr></table><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn spacer" width="575"><tr class="masthead"><td colspan="3">Team Stats Comparison</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="60%"></td><td align="center" width="20%">PSU</td><td align="center" width="20%">WIS</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Total Offense</td><td align="center">14</td><td align="center">21</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Rushing Yards</td><td align="center">42</td><td align="center">105</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Passing Yards</td><td align="center">248</td><td align="center">138</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">First Downs</td><td align="center">15</td><td align="center">12</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Punt Return Yards</td><td align="center">23</td><td align="center">39</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Kick Return Yards</td><td align="center">107</td><td align="center">3</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Total Yards</td><td align="center">290</td><td align="center">243</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Turnovers</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center">0</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">3rd Down Converstion</td><td align="center">2-11</td><td align="center">8-14</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">4th Down Conversion</td><td align="center">1-2</td><td align="center">0-0</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">2-Point Conversion</td><td align="center">0</td><td align="center">0</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Red Zone Touchdowns/Field Goals</td><td align="center">1-1</td><td align="center">2-2</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Penalties</td><td align="center">1-10</td><td align="center">0-0</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Posession Time</td><td align="center">16:46</td><td align="center">15:14</td></tr></table><table cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0" class="spacer" style="margin:0 auto;" width="575"><tr><td align="center" valign="top" width="50%"><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn spacer" width="100%"><tr class="masthead_alt"><td bgcolor="#00265D" colspan="5"><span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Penn State Nittany Lions</span></td></tr></table></td><td align="center" valign="top" width="50%"><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn spacer" width="100%"><tr class="masthead_alt"><td bgcolor="#A00000" colspan="5"><span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Wisconsin Badgers</span></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></body></html>

My QB was 20-33 (60%), 248 yards, 2 TDs, 2 INTs

Their QB was 13-17 (76%), 138 yards, 1 TD

*Each team had three sacks

My RB's
Starter - 15 att, 48 yards, 3.2 Avg
Backup - 4 att, 11 yards, 2.7 Avg
FB - 1 att, 4 yards

Their RB's
Starter - 29 att, 111 yards, 3.8 Avg, 2 TDs
Backup = 1 att, 3 yards

Wisconsin's QB'S completion % was a little high, but they mostly threw short passes. I can really only remember 1 completion where the ball traveled more than 10-12 yards.

Overall, I think this is a good slider set. Especially for those that are making the move from AA to Heisman, but have trouble with the CPU's offense.

**BenGerman** · 07-09-2013, 12:50 PM

Re: Ben's Hybrid Slider Set

Looks great! Glad you're enjoying them. One thing I've noticed about the CPU passing game is you get what you give. Against teams with better WR's, I've been playing more zone and less tight coverage. It's more just containing the opponents offense and hoping they make a mistake.

I played a game as Alabama last night against Auburn and absolutely DOMINATED the secondary. Mostly tight, man to man coverage with a mix of zone blitzes. I can't remember the exact number, but I held them to well below 150 yards passing, and had two interceptions.

I'm seeing a lot of people saying defense is broken, and I couldn't disagree more. I'm seeing a ton of defensive battles, and have yet to have a game where more teams score 30+ points. Oregon scored 37 on me once, and that was with UCLA.

**therizing02** · 07-09-2013, 03:05 PM

Re: Ben's Hybrid Slider Set

Originally posted by BenGerman

Looks great! Glad you're enjoying them. One thing I've noticed about the CPU passing game is you get what you give. Against teams with better WR's, I've been playing more zone and less tight coverage. It's more just containing the opponents offense and hoping they make a mistake.

I played a game as Alabama last night against Auburn and absolutely DOMINATED the secondary. Mostly tight, man to man coverage with a mix of zone blitzes. I can't remember the exact number, but I held them to well below 150 yards passing, and had two interceptions.

I'm seeing a lot of people saying defense is broken, and I couldn't disagree more. I'm seeing a ton of defensive battles, and have yet to have a game where more teams score 30+ points. Oregon scored 37 on me once, and that was with UCLA.

I hear ya man. It's never as good as they say it is and it's never as bad as they say it is. The Zone Defense needs a little help but to fix it, I use my MLB when I'm in zone. Problem solved.

I like the direction of these sliders because I think the game plays very well with Heisman for O and AA for D. I still have everything set to default and haven't had any statistical anomalies. My only other sort of house rule is that I use Ask Coach to call plays and select from the top 3 choices about 90% of the time. I still use audibles and mix up press and soft coverage.

Most of the time the CPU QB is around 60%. I just had a great game against Alabama as TAMU in a Season mode game. McCarron was 18-30 and I stopped them on 4th and 7 late in the game to hold on 24-20. Was getting excellent pressure all game long and forced a lot of bad throws. Pressure is the key to realistic passing percentages. I used the conservative setting in the adjustments screen because AJ won't scramble and it lead to a ton of pressure even when I was only rushing 4.

**BenGerman** · 07-09-2013, 04:09 PM

Re: Ben's Hybrid Slider Set

Originally posted by therizing02

I hear ya man. It's never as good as they say it is and it's never as bad as they say it is. The Zone Defense needs a little help but to fix it, I use my MLB when I'm in zone. Problem solved.

I like the direction of these sliders because I think the game plays very well with Heisman for O and AA for D. I still have everything set to default and haven't had any statistical anomalies. My only other sort of house rule is that I use Ask Coach to call plays and select from the top 3 choices about 90% of the time. I still use audibles and mix up press and soft coverage.

Most of the time the CPU QB is around 60%. I just had a great game against Alabama as TAMU in a Season mode game. McCarron was 18-30 and I stopped them on 4th and 7 late in the game to hold on 24-20. Was getting excellent pressure all game long and forced a lot of bad throws. Pressure is the key to realistic passing percentages. I used the conservative setting in the adjustments screen because AJ won't scramble and it lead to a ton of pressure even when I was only rushing 4.

I do the exact same thing, and it works fine. I usually do the ask coach thing, but I'm finding that it isn't such a big deal this year. All plays seem to work about as well as they should, and nothing seems too overpowered to me.

I've heard people mention slants as a being completed at too high of a rate, but I think it's fine. I read somewhere that a slant route is the most used route in college football - and it makes sense, because its a hard play to stop.

**jfsolo** · 07-09-2013, 04:22 PM

Re: Ben's Hybrid Slider Set

These are pretty close to what I'm going to use, with the primary exception being that I'm going to go Heisman/Heisman. I basically did the same thing last year, just a few tweaks and the game played solid, except of course for the DB Glitch and some A.I. issues for the CPU QB and RB. With those things having been address, I'm looking forward to playing this game for a long time this year.

I use to be a serial slider adjuster, and I would tweak myself into burnout with the game, but those days are over.

**therizing02** · 07-09-2013, 05:15 PM

Re: Ben's Hybrid Slider Set

Originally posted by BenGerman

I do the exact same thing, and it works fine. I usually do the ask coach thing, but I'm finding that it isn't such a big deal this year. All plays seem to work about as well as they should, and nothing seems too overpowered to me.

I've heard people mention slants as a being completed at too high of a rate, but I think it's fine. I read somewhere that a slant route is the most used route in college football - and it makes sense, because its a hard play to stop.

So, I've played 5 games in my Ohio State season mode....

OSU 33 Buffalo 17
OSU 34 SDSU 9
OSU 44 Cal 12
TAMU 24 Alabama 20

and my only loss so far

LSU 34 Georgia 10(in Athens). I had 7 yards rushing and 116 total yards of offense. I also threw 4 INTs all poor decisions on my part. My only TD was a pick 6. There hasn't been any of those WTF video game moments in any of the 5 I've played. I'm happy with it.

**BenGerman** · 07-09-2013, 06:57 PM

Re: Ben's Hybrid Slider Set

Originally posted by therizing02

So, I've played 5 games in my Ohio State season mode....

OSU 33 Buffalo 17
OSU 34 SDSU 9
OSU 44 Cal 12
TAMU 24 Alabama 20

and my only loss so far

LSU 34 Georgia 10(in Athens). I had 7 yards rushing and 116 total yards of offense. I also threw 4 INTs all poor decisions on my part. My only TD was a pick 6. There hasn't been any of those WTF video game moments in any of the 5 I've played. I'm happy with it.

Good to see! All of those scores seem about right, and the TAMU/Bama game is a toss up this year. These settings have a tendency to punish you if you don't get your offense going.

DJ · 07-11-2013, 12:17 PM

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Well, this certainly is a refreshing thread!

I have only had time for about 5 quarters with the retail copy of NCAA 14. I love the game so far, but will be going with a Hybrid set for sure. I played straight up AA my first game - Miami (Fla.) @ FSU (me) - and won rather easily, 23-3. The Hurricanes had negative yards rushing, which was a little upsetting.

My stats, though, were spot on. Right around 4-5 ypc on the ground and completed 62% of my passes. I'm using the Zoom Camera and that adds a nice layer of difficulty.

So, I'll probably bump my defense up to Heisman and leave offense at AA. That was the setting for the other game I played last night, which was Nevada (me) @ Fresno State. Score was 3-0 Bulldogs midway through the 2nd quarter when I had to shut the game off due to being extremely tired. Man, I wish we had in-game saves as I'd like to see how that would've played out.

I haven't touched sliders yet. I will say that the CPU had 4-5 overthrows/bad throws in the game and Miami's QB was around 58%.

**jeremym480** · 07-11-2013, 01:07 PM

Re: Ben's Hybrid Slider Set

I've had some of my best games with this set... I'm not saying that there isn't other good sets out there. Honestly, I've only tried one other and my own set that I had based off of the demo, but this is the one I keep coming back to.

For my play style/skill I feel that AA Defense is a little better and here's why:

- The CPU's running game (mostly option teams) are overpowered on Heisman
- "Robo QB" is less prevalent on AA
- I haven't noticed the CPU attempting any crazy long FG's on this setting, but also I don't recall them being in the situation to do so... (still TBD)

Here's the scores of five games I've played on this setting. I can probably dig the some stats up if needed, but at least you can tell that my games have been very competitive.

Wyoming (me) vs. Colorado St lost 22-17
TCU (me) vs. Oklahoma State won 31-24
Clemson (me) vs. GT won 28-14
Penn St (me) vs. Wisconsin lost 21-14 (they were up 21-0 in the fourth, but I managed to score 2 TDs with less than three minutes left)
Louisville (me) vs. Florida won 24-21

The only thing I'm considering changing is maybe bumping the quarter length up to 9 minutes. Either that or play a little bit faster.

**BenGerman** · 07-11-2013, 02:35 PM

Re: Ben's Hybrid Slider Set

Originally posted by jeremym480

I've had some of my best games with this set... I'm not saying that there isn't other good sets out there. Honestly, I've only tried one other and my own set that I had based off of the demo, but this is the one I keep coming back to.

For my play style/skill I feel that AA Defense is a little better and here's why:

- The CPU's running game (mostly option teams) are overpowered on Heisman
- "Robo QB" is less prevalent on AA
- I haven't noticed the CPU attempting any crazy long FG's on this setting, but also I don't recall them being in the situation to do so... (still TBD)

Here's the scores of five games I've played on this setting. I can probably dig the some stats up if needed, but at least you can tell that my games have been very competitive.

Wyoming (me) vs. Colorado St lost 22-17
TCU (me) vs. Oklahoma State won 31-24
Clemson (me) vs. GT won 28-14
Penn St (me) vs. Wisconsin lost 21-14 (they were up 21-0 in the fourth, but I managed to score 2 TDs with less than three minutes left)
Louisville (me) vs. Florida won 24-21

The only thing I'm considering changing is maybe bumping the quarter length up to 9 minutes. Either that or play a little bit faster.

Great to see, Jeremy. It looks like we are getting pretty similar games. I actually have made a couple small changes that I'll add to the OP. I was telling Dan in a PM that I've actually seen the CPU get hot in a hurry in the passing game, and I've seen times where they can't hit water from from a boat. So it's sort of the anti-Robo QB, because it's so unpredictable.

My hope is that this is ratings kicking in. So far I've had McCarron, Gardner, and Toledo's QB (whose name is slipping my mind right now) hit 65% + of their passes, while Morris (Miami) and Worley have completed closer to 50%. Which actually makes a good amount of sense.

How's the CPU running game been for you? I've played three games in a Florida Dynasty, and have yet to have a team hit 100+ yards on the ground. Which isn't too abnormal, given that Florida has a pretty solid defensive front, but I want to make sure the CPU is still dangerous.

**jeremym480** · 07-11-2013, 03:27 PM

Re: Ben's Hybrid Slider Set

Here's the CPU's QB stats that I got from digging up my old posts.

Colorado St - N/A - I didn't record
Oklahoma State 17-34 for 224 yards, 2 TD's, 1 INT
GT - N/A
Wisconsin 13-17 for 138 yards and 1 TD
Florida 6-14 for 41 yards (I don't know if anyone has played against FL, but I have with these sliders and on Heisman, as well and their offense is pretty bad)

I really wish that I had those Colorado State stats. I remember them throwing the ball quite a bit. GT only threw that ball a hand full of times as well. I think that had around 100 yards passing because most of their yardage came on the ground.

I'm going to start using these in my offline dynasty so it will be easier to track stats going forward.

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