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  • Gambo187
    Rookie
    • Aug 2003
    • 279

    #1

    It appears Freshman recruit info is from Scout.com this year...

    Each year it appears that the recruit information is pulled from a different source. For the past two years you could figure it out from ESPNs nation. But it appears this year that the source of the Height and Weight info and ability is from Scout.com
  • zkbenson
    Rookie
    • Sep 2012
    • 38

    #2
    Re: It appears Freshman recruit info is from Scout.com this year...

    In my mind, that is unfortunate and one year too soon. While Fox Sports and Scout do seem to be overhauling the Scout platform, I would argue that Rivals, ESPN, and 24/7 all offer better services and evaluations. In fact 24/7 even offers a composite score of prospect ratings over multiple services. If EA decided to use Scout, I would venture to say there may be a higher than usual amount of discrepancies between actual player development and development of the players within the game.

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    • dawgbone33
      Rookie
      • Jul 2009
      • 38

      #3
      Re: It appears Freshman recruit info is from Scout.com this year...

      Originally posted by zkbenson
      In my mind, that is unfortunate and one year too soon. While Fox Sports and Scout do seem to be overhauling the Scout platform, I would argue that Rivals, ESPN, and 24/7 all offer better services and evaluations. In fact 24/7 even offers a composite score of prospect ratings over multiple services. If EA decided to use Scout, I would venture to say there may be a higher than usual amount of discrepancies between actual player development and development of the players within the game.
      I agree with this. 24/7's composite ranking is the standard they should go by. I believe it's a composite of 4 services: Rivals, Scout, ESPN, and 24/7.

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      • KleShreen
        MVP
        • May 2003
        • 1081

        #4
        Re: It appears Freshman recruit info is from Scout.com this year...

        Originally posted by zkbenson
        In my mind, that is unfortunate and one year too soon. While Fox Sports and Scout do seem to be overhauling the Scout platform, I would argue that Rivals, ESPN, and 24/7 all offer better services and evaluations. In fact 24/7 even offers a composite score of prospect ratings over multiple services. If EA decided to use Scout, I would venture to say there may be a higher than usual amount of discrepancies between actual player development and development of the players within the game.
        I entirely disagree. As someone who worked in the recruiting community for a good amount of time, I can say that Scout is by far the most comprehensive of any recruiting service. 24/7 is the worst, followed closely by ESPN, with Scout and Rivals by far the top two. However, in my time working, I noticed that Scout had representatives at nearly every single camp around the country, even ones at smaller schools. Rivals frequently did not but at least had some contacts who would report back. 24/7 and ESPN...forget about it. 24/7 never does any original research from what I noticed, and ESPN only has people at their own sponsored events and gathers the rest of their information from the other recruiting services.

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        • Roogy
          Rookie
          • Feb 2009
          • 50

          #5
          Re: It appears Freshman recruit info is from Scout.com this year...

          Originally posted by KleShreen
          I entirely disagree. As someone who worked in the recruiting community for a good amount of time, I can say that Scout is by far the most comprehensive of any recruiting service. 24/7 is the worst, followed closely by ESPN, with Scout and Rivals by far the top two. However, in my time working, I noticed that Scout had representatives at nearly every single camp around the country, even ones at smaller schools. Rivals frequently did not but at least had some contacts who would report back. 24/7 and ESPN...forget about it. 24/7 never does any original research from what I noticed, and ESPN only has people at their own sponsored events and gathers the rest of their information from the other recruiting services.
          This. Scout and Rivals are far and way above any other service. ESPN and 24/7 are pretty much terrible.

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          • catcher_0_3
            Rookie
            • May 2011
            • 449

            #6
            Re: It appears Freshman recruit info is from Scout.com this year...

            Originally posted by KleShreen
            I entirely disagree. As someone who worked in the recruiting community for a good amount of time, I can say that Scout is by far the most comprehensive of any recruiting service. 24/7 is the worst, followed closely by ESPN, with Scout and Rivals by far the top two. However, in my time working, I noticed that Scout had representatives at nearly every single camp around the country, even ones at smaller schools. Rivals frequently did not but at least had some contacts who would report back. 24/7 and ESPN...forget about it. 24/7 never does any original research from what I noticed, and ESPN only has people at their own sponsored events and gathers the rest of their information from the other recruiting services.
            I agree that at one time Scout and Rivals were far and away the best two. But from what I can gather, ESPN began putting a lot of resources into this area and started taking scouts from the two big websites. Then ESPN recently started putting a lot more emphasis on what schools offer a player and where they commit (ie if kid A gets an offer from Bama, Florida, or Ohio State, they are going to get a huge bump in their rating). There is some merritt to this idea that a player has a higher chance of success if they sign with one of those schools, but coming out of high school it doesn't inherently make them better. 247 seems to be resisting the offer list method of ratings the most at this time and for my money they are the best at this time.

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            • KleShreen
              MVP
              • May 2003
              • 1081

              #7
              Re: It appears Freshman recruit info is from Scout.com this year...

              Originally posted by catcher_0_3
              I agree that at one time Scout and Rivals were far and away the best two. But from what I can gather, ESPN began putting a lot of resources into this area and started taking scouts from the two big websites. Then ESPN recently started putting a lot more emphasis on what schools offer a player and where they commit (ie if kid A gets an offer from Bama, Florida, or Ohio State, they are going to get a huge bump in their rating). There is some merritt to this idea that a player has a higher chance of success if they sign with one of those schools, but coming out of high school it doesn't inherently make them better. 247 seems to be resisting the offer list method of ratings the most at this time and for my money they are the best at this time.
              What you said about ESPN is precisely why I don't put much stock in to their work. ESPN very rarely sees any players in person at camps or in games. They get their information from either the other recruiting sites or if a player shows up at one of their insanely hyped and expensive camps if they are not invited. I will take Scout any day over that, as Scout frequently sends out representatives to see these kids in camps all summer long, not just at one camp like ESPN does, and puts a ton of people out at high school games every single Friday to get original film and actually talk to the coaches/players in person.

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              • catcher_0_3
                Rookie
                • May 2011
                • 449

                #8
                Re: It appears Freshman recruit info is from Scout.com this year...

                Originally posted by KleShreen
                What you said about ESPN is precisely why I don't put much stock in to their work. ESPN very rarely sees any players in person at camps or in games. They get their information from either the other recruiting sites or if a player shows up at one of their insanely hyped and expensive camps if they are not invited. I will take Scout any day over that, as Scout frequently sends out representatives to see these kids in camps all summer long, not just at one camp like ESPN does, and puts a ton of people out at high school games every single Friday to get original film and actually talk to the coaches/players in person.
                I can only speak for the state of Georgia, but I saw quite a few of the ESPN guys at high school games last fall. And they are at all the camps as well.

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                • RyRog345
                  Rookie
                  • Jul 2009
                  • 11

                  #9
                  Re: It appears Freshman recruit info is from Scout.com this year...

                  I might go with Scout if this were 2007.

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                  • Parrotheadache
                    Rookie
                    • Sep 2012
                    • 35

                    #10
                    Whoah Whoah Whoah! Recruits the first year of your dynasty are based off of real players?!?😮

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                    • cap032
                      Rookie
                      • Jun 2011
                      • 429

                      #11
                      Re: It appears Freshman recruit info is from Scout.com this year...

                      Originally posted by KleShreen
                      I entirely disagree. As someone who worked in the recruiting community for a good amount of time, I can say that Scout is by far the most comprehensive of any recruiting service. 24/7 is the worst, followed closely by ESPN, with Scout and Rivals by far the top two. However, in my time working, I noticed that Scout had representatives at nearly every single camp around the country, even ones at smaller schools. Rivals frequently did not but at least had some contacts who would report back. 24/7 and ESPN...forget about it. 24/7 never does any original research from what I noticed, and ESPN only has people at their own sponsored events and gathers the rest of their information from the other recruiting services.
                      Ive got to agree with this. SCOUT still puts more people in the field than anyone. Rivals may not put as many in the field but I believe they are head and shoulders above anyone concerning contacts. ESPN has been improving. 247 uses everyone elses work. Tom Lemming is probably the one person who sees more recruits in person than anyone else.
                      Last edited by cap032; 07-09-2013, 12:03 AM.

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                      • TarHeelPhenom
                        All Star
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 7116

                        #12
                        Re: It appears Freshman recruit info is from Scout.com this year...

                        Scout has fallen down far IMO. Speaking as a UNC fan I can say with all honesty that Scout's rankings favor elite teams. I've seen this on both sides. For example, in football lets say a 3* guy goes to Bama he is almost assured that extra star before the season is out...whereas let a 4* sign with UNC nine times out of ten he will drop in rankings. The same thing happens in basketball where the rankings favor UNC, Duke, Kentucky, Kansas etc.
                        "Dunks are tough, but when a 35 footer come rainin out the sky...it'll wire you up"

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                        • khlundgaard
                          Rookie
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 82

                          #13
                          Re: It appears Freshman recruit info is from Scout.com this year...

                          Originally posted by zkbenson
                          In my mind, that is unfortunate and one year too soon. While Fox Sports and Scout do seem to be overhauling the Scout platform, I would argue that Rivals, ESPN, and 24/7 all offer better services and evaluations. In fact 24/7 even offers a composite score of prospect ratings over multiple services. If EA decided to use Scout, I would venture to say there may be a higher than usual amount of discrepancies between actual player development and development of the players within the game.
                          Rivals is the best, but in terms of evaluating players, ESPN is by far the worst. Look at 3 stars. They do a terrible job of rating them. By far the worst
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                          • ActLikeYouCrow
                            MVP
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 1025

                            #14
                            Re: It appears Freshman recruit info is from Scout.com this year...

                            south carolina's incoming class lines up with rivals, based off teambuilder.

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                            • TreyDobbs
                              Rookie
                              • Jul 2010
                              • 358

                              #15
                              Re: It appears Freshman recruit info is from Scout.com this year...

                              Scout is garbage. As far as rankings go (not updates, stories, boards, etc) (SOLELY RANKINGS) Rivals is far ahead of every other recruiting service. They hit on who will and won't pan out more than the other services. IMO this is how I see it:

                              Rivals >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scout > ESPN >>>>>>>>>> 24/7

                              24/7 is very biased when it comes to actually ranking players. They've very quick and reliable when it comes to updates and getting information out but not so much on rankings. In short they're all light years behind Rivals.
                              Last edited by TreyDobbs; 07-09-2013, 07:21 AM.

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