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  • radiohead
    Banned
    • Jul 2002
    • 603

    #1

    Is it time to do away with sliders?

    I remember this topic being bandied around in these parts some years ago. I think it's worth revisiting, especially since the dev cycle for a new NCAA on a new gen of systems is just around the corner.

    Should sliders remain in the game so that gamers can (allegedly) customize their gameplay experiences?

    Or, should EA come up with a better offering than the annual German Enigma machine also known as sliders?


    I've been a longtime proponent of 3 gameplay modes: arcade, casual and sim. So, my answer obviously is that it's time for sliders to go.
    79
    Yes - do away with sliders
    0%
    15
    No - keep sliders in NCAA and Madden
    0%
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  • The JareBear
    Be Good To One Another
    • Jul 2010
    • 11560

    #2
    Re: Is it time to do away with sliders?

    I think the game should play better out the box but I don't see a reason why sliders shouldn't be included for gamers to take advantage of. I want as much power to customize as I can get.

    No matter how sim or how difficult EA makes the default setting, people like me will always want more challenge
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    • tarheel_12
      Rookie
      • Jun 2010
      • 45

      #3
      Re: Is it time to do away with sliders?

      I say heck no. I know EA will never make a perfect game, but if they would fix the way their sliders work (some dont work at all) and add more slider options I could make the game play well. Even with the sliders in the game now I feel like I am stuck with what EA gives us because the sliders don't work right. I can't imagine not having sliders at all even if other options are offered. Guess I just don't trust the ncaa team too much.
      Last edited by tarheel_12; 07-12-2013, 11:50 PM.

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      • Sundown2600
        Brake less...Go Faster!
        • Jul 2009
        • 1362

        #4
        Re: Is it time to do away with sliders?

        You should have added a third option:

        'Do away with the sliders since they never work consistently and the devs ignore this issue every cycle'

        That's not bashing that's just the truth, but I do want to believe the devs have at least looked into it. I just think they can't fix it at this point because the code is probably too tangled and complex at this stage. I honestly think if they could fix them they would have by now and their constant silence on this issue every year is really all I need to know.
        Last edited by Sundown2600; 07-12-2013, 11:57 PM.

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        • tdogg097
          Pro
          • Jun 2012
          • 853

          #5
          Re: Is it time to do away with sliders?

          When you have millions of people playing a game at vastly different skill levels taking away sliders would be a terrible idea. Now if there was a way for a EA to develop a game that adapted to your skill level and produced sim results that would be awesome. However, Madden tried an adaptive skill level system and it was a disaster.

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          • The JareBear
            Be Good To One Another
            • Jul 2010
            • 11560

            #6
            Re: Is it time to do away with sliders?

            Originally posted by tdogg097
            When you have millions of people playing a game at vastly different skill levels taking away sliders would be a terrible idea. Now if there was a way for a EA to develop a game that adapted to your skill level and produced sim results that would be awesome. However, Madden tried an adaptive skill level system and it was a disaster.
            I remember that. I think that was a decent idea but they needed to fine tune it a little
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            • john1842msu
              Rookie
              • Feb 2013
              • 57

              #7
              Re: Is it time to do away with sliders?

              I vote no. Keep the sliders, but make sure they do what they're supposed to do. It shouldn't be that difficult to create penalty sliders that simply increase the random occurences of pass interference, jumping offsides, false starts, etc (without affecting the gameplay).

              Also, I would like to see the EA team add another difficulty level in between All-American and Heisman. All-American always seems just a little too easy, whereas Heisman is too hard for me. It would be great if there was a difficulty level where I could play without tweaking sliders at all.

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              • radiohead
                Banned
                • Jul 2002
                • 603

                #8
                Re: Is it time to do away with sliders?

                Do the guys who want to keep sliders realize that they weren't always in NCAA?

                Has yet to provide a detailed explanation of what each slider affects. And, the general consensus since at least NCAA 09 has been that some, if not all, sliders do not work as intended or do not work at all.

                Thus, what purpose do they serve?

                Arcade, casual, simulation or another model. Anything but sliders.

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                • ILikeTheBraves
                  Rookie
                  • Mar 2013
                  • 101

                  #9
                  Re: Is it time to do away with sliders?

                  Heisman is too easy. The only difficulty I had with a default setting was madden 12 all madden. Stopping the run was impossible.

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                  • Timeetyo
                    Rookie
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 418

                    #10
                    Re: Is it time to do away with sliders?

                    They need to keep the sliders as there is no way to get it right for everyone and sliders should give us a way to fix it.

                    But.....with that said - they need to change how sliders affect the game to make it more straightforward and more clear exactly what they do and not change 3 other things which you would have never guessed if not for hours of extensive testing.
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                    • mestevo
                      Gooney Goo Goo
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 19556

                      #11
                      Re: Is it time to do away with sliders?

                      Originally posted by radiohead
                      Do the guys who want to keep sliders realize that they weren't always in NCAA?

                      Has yet to provide a detailed explanation of what each slider affects. And, the general consensus since at least NCAA 09 has been that some, if not all, sliders do not work as intended or do not work at all.

                      Thus, what purpose do they serve?

                      Arcade, casual, simulation or another model. Anything but sliders.
                      Where is this consensus that all sliders do not work at all? I don't see how this is a serious question without links to people working out how ineffective/worthless they truly are when there's an entire subforum of thread after thread of people working through their slider sets. Compare your suggestion to the ratings discussions and breakdowns that have happened in other areas of the forum for example.

                      As someone who's used them on multiple titles it's not like they're placebo or something.

                      Should some things related to them be done better? Absolutely. If there are really just thresholds in some sliders and they could be boiled down to 4 options for the sake of clarity then that absolutely sounds great. We could use a lot more information both in-game and externally about their effects rather than the slider voodoo people invoke to tweak their game to their liking.

                      But get rid of them? That seems like bait for outrage rather than discussion.

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                      • rudyjuly2
                        Cade Cunningham
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 14816

                        #12
                        Re: Is it time to do away with sliders?

                        Honestly, this poll question is ridiculous. The only people that would vote to get rid of them are the people that never use them. Sliders weren't around 20 years ago but I'm not going back and just playing Tecmo Bowl anymore. Customization and options are at a premium. If some guys don't want to use them fine. But to suggest they take them away from the other people who love them is absurd and 100% selfish.

                        I'm sure a lot of people would love it if they had added a read-option run blocking slider so they could finetune that part of the game better. I want more sliders, not less. If I was forced to play on EA's default levels alone and no sliders I'd probably stop buying their games because I don't like how they are tuned at default.

                        I think I should create a poll asking to get rid of all first person shooters since the camera angle disorients me. All games should be third person shooters! Why should I care about anyone else?
                        Last edited by rudyjuly2; 07-13-2013, 05:27 AM.

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                        • Buckeyed
                          Rookie
                          • Feb 2012
                          • 433

                          #13
                          Re: Is it time to do away with sliders?

                          Originally posted by rudyjuly2
                          Honestly, this poll question is ridiculous. The only people that would vote to get rid of them are the people that never use them. Sliders weren't around 20 years ago but I'm not going back and just playing Tecmo Bowl anymore. Customization and options are at a premium. If some guys don't want to use them fine. But to suggest they take them away from the other people who love them is absurd and 100% selfish.

                          I'm sure a lot of people would love it if they had added a read-option run blocking slider so they could finetune that part of the game better. I want more sliders, not less. If I was forced to play on EA's default levels alone and no sliders I'd probably stop buying their games because I don't like how they are tuned at default.

                          I think I should create a poll asking to get rid of all first person shooters since the camera angle disorients me. All games should be third person shooters! Why should I care about anyone else?
                          This sums it up.^^^^



                          View Poll Results: Is it time to do away with sliders
                          Yes - do away with sliders 8 22.22%
                          No - keep sliders in NCAA and Madden 28 77.78%
                          Voters: 36.
                          Not looking like the OP is in the majority.

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                          • Mick-S
                            Rookie
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 337

                            #14
                            Re: Is it time to do away with sliders?

                            it`s not surprising that no one has a clue including EA where sliders are concerned.
                            have often wondered why there is the need for sliders at all, why can`t the individual player ratings determine how the players perform on the field, and use the difficulty levels to change that, so Heisman would boost the ratings say by ten, could work quite well now we have the ability to have offense and defense different. penalties, if we assume that lets say an average ncaa game has 6 holding calls, so 50 default would be 6 and 60 would be 7 etc, these could be random and effect user and cpu,why the hell they need to be linked to game sliders is just stupid.
                            just can`t see why EA make it all so complicated. all we want is to play football, not spend hrs/days/weeks messing around with sliders, anyway had my rant,lol.
                            just to add, not saying they should get shot of them completely, but if they stay which I have no doubt they will, at least make them work properly.
                            Last edited by Mick-S; 07-13-2013, 08:34 AM.

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                            • priam11
                              Rookie
                              • Oct 2012
                              • 49

                              #15
                              Re: Is it time to do away with sliders?

                              I want the customability (making that word up right now) in my games not less.

                              But I also want them to work and work correctly.

                              I am now hearing the CPU pass defense is backwards in this years edition and I cannot confirm as I have not bought it yet. But this was an issue last year as well on some of these sliders.

                              Also there seems to be a level where one single increment changes the game. Roughing the passer. At 55 I might get one called every few games. At 56 it was every quarter.

                              Some don't have any effect at all. Offsides can be set at 10 or 100 and there was no difference that I could see. And don't get me started on pass interference.

                              Overall I want more sliders *cough* fumble slider *cough*. And I just want them to bloody work.

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