rebuilding the marlins helo

[Slyone14]

I picked up this game a few weeks ago and im looking to rebuild the marlins. I play as a gm and tend watch most games. Has anyone done this protect successfully? If so how? What was your plan? Finally what direction did you go?

Any help/advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you.

[mgcst5]

Re: rebuilding the marlins helo

Couple of different schools of thought. Do you want to realistically rebuild or get good really fast.

[Slyone14]

Re: rebuilding the marlins helo

Realistically for sure, just need advice on what to do from here. It's gonna be a long process. What would you do?

[rjackson]

Re: rebuilding the marlins helo

First, decide if you want to trade Stanton or not. You could get a package like the Padres got for Latos and that could be a big start. Evaluate what you DO have and then decide. Off the top of my head, you've got a decent young catcher, a young ace and maybe another pitcher or two, Hech at SS and Dieter at 2B (do you want to stick with them?), and Ozuna and Friedrich in the OF. Other than that, draft well, use your minors, and only use free agency like the Cubs did this past year. They hit with Feldman and missed with Baker.

[Pesan915]

Re: rebuilding the marlins helo

First, decide if you want to trade Stanton or not. You could get a package like the Padres got for Latos and that could be a big start. Evaluate what you DO have and then decide. Off the top of my head, you've got a decent young catcher, a young ace and maybe another pitcher or two, Hech at SS and Dieter at 2B (do you want to stick with them?), and Ozuna and Friedrich in the OF. Other than that, draft well, use your minors, and only use free agency like the Cubs did this past year. They hit with Feldman and missed with Baker.

What would you say is a best trade partner to get the most in return for Stanton?

[Boondok]

Re: rebuilding the marlins helo

I've been working on this for a few months now myself actually. I decided to keep Stanton and build around him. Unfortunately, I just can't afford him. I'm in 2016 and looking to trade him. After he got a huuuuge pay raise in his first arbitration with me I decided to try and get him to sign a longer contract. He did, and for probably cheaper than if I let him go to arbitration every season, but even with a bit of a hometown discount I can't even afford to sign my draft picks this year. So I'm looking to move him.

Secondly, draft well those first couple seasons when you suck and get early draft picks. I have a couple early round guys from my first two drafts that have just been amazing (including a 21yo 1B who is already a 95OVR and the 2015 ROY).

Third, I haven't really done much with my starting pitching. Just let the good young guys get better. Fernandez, Turner, and Alvarez are the heart of my rotation and they're doing great. I traded Nolasco and a prospect or 2 to StL for another high potential SP and RP. And fortified my bullpen with the Rule 5 draft.

The only problem I've run into is that my defense is terrible. It seems a lot of draft picks come in with abysmal defense ratings. I have a RF in AAA right now who offensively has the rating to play for me now, but his defense is a 47. And that's with his training assignment being set to fielding for his whole first year in the minors and so far this season too (at the All-Star break).

Hope this helps, man. I've had a lot of fun working on the Marlins and have hardly touched my Halos franchise after the 2nd WS win (they look so good on paper... it makes them even more painful to watch in real life), so enjoy!

[rjackson]

Re: rebuilding the marlins helo

What would you say is a best trade partner to get the most in return for Stanton?

Honestly, if you want to be fair and realistic and use 30 team control, I think that the Pirates are the best choice.

[Pesan915]

Re: rebuilding the marlins helo

Honestly, if you want to be fair and realistic and use 30 team control, I think that the Pirates are the best choice.

What would be a good trade with them, any suggestions? I wish they had a youtube video explaining the 30 team control.

[BROman]

the pirates are already pretty good on the game. i did a franchise with them & made it to the playoffs in year 1. the marlins- not so much.

[24]

Re: rebuilding the marlins helo

Mets are interested in Stanton IRL. They have alot to give up in terms of pitching

[The Big O Face]

Re: rebuilding the marlins helo

I picked up this game a few weeks ago and im looking to rebuild the marlins. I play as a gm and tend watch most games. Has anyone done this protect successfully? If so how? What was your plan? Finally what direction did you go?

Any help/advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Evaluate and rank your system. Find out what type of hitters and pitchers you want on your team. Trade the players that you may not value, but other teams do. You might have an A potential prospect that you rank 5th on your depth chart. Trade him for a player you need.

I'll use my franchise as an example. I currently use the Astros, and have done a decent job of rebuilding in just the first few weeks of my season. I'll play 1-2 weeks of Spring Training to figure out which pitchers and hitters that I like. From there, I'll trade/cut based on my player preference.

SP: I prefer stamina and control as my top two ratings, followed up by break. I consider the */9 ratings to be marginally effective in my system because again, I'm hopefully controlling where the pitch is located. I do factor them when comparing similar players. I don't really care about velocity because if I can control where the pitch is going, the speed to me doesn't personally matter. I'll rank my starting pitchers and choose 5 for each level; 5 SP, 1 LR.

RP: I disregard stamina entirely as they usually don't pitch more than an inning. I value control, break, and clutch. I'll assign my CP role to the best player with highest clutch. I don't really care about my MRP clutch level as I hope my SP can pitch 7 innings.

Hitters I look for players that can play defense first. If fielders can't get to a ball, runs will score. I then look at offense, focusing on vision as my primary offensive rating. If they can see the ball better, you have a greater chance of them being productive at the dish. I also focus heavily on hot/cold zones for each player. I favor players that have more red than blue. That, in combination with high vision, leads to more hits. Not necessarily great hits, but a hit is a hit for me. The contact/power ratings come into play when setting lineups, and obviously I like having high numbers, but I've started high vision, low CON/POW over a low vision, high POW player constantly with great results (Carlos Pena played horribly for me).

FA: Use the free agent market and contract length to your benefit. I look at my roster after setting my organizational depth chart, and project when each AAA player should hit the big leagues. I don't project AA or A because they will automatically replace the players at AAA level. If I have a player that I feel needs 1-2 years to develop, I'll sign a veteran FA for 1-3 seasons if I feel that he will be more productive than the younger player that can develop in the minors. Always make sure that the contract has a team option! I can't stress that enough. If your player develops faster than the veteran, or the newly signed FA decreases drastically in ability, you don't want a guaranteed year on the books.

Drafting/Scouting Ensure you hire good scouts to find young blood for your team. Use the scouts to find players that fit your system, and draft them accordingly. It usually takes my scouts 2-3 days to fully scout a player, and while you can't see their entire ratings, you can tell if they fit your general profile. I tend not to draft any player over 22-23 because if they need to develop, I don't want them hitting the majors at 29, when I'll already be looking to draft a replacement.
Also, when drafting, look at player rating in conjunction with MLB ETA. sometimes a player with an OVR potential of 80, but with an ETA of 2015 is a better pick than a player with an OVR potential of 97, and ETA of 2021. You never know who you'll be able to get in FA at the end of the year, or in the draft next year, so I don't find it useful to draft high potential, long ETA players.


Doing all this with the team that finished last in the majors in 2012, I was able to purely sim a season without making any changes after my initial trades in Spring Training. Between injuries, which hit moderately, and lack of control over other teams, I was able to finish 3rd in the AL West, 9 games out of first. I didn't make the playoffs, but there were multiple teams that finished over 20 games out of their division. Had I played the majority of the games, I'm sure that I would have finished better. I also would have finished better if I sent up/down players on a regular basis according to performance.

I little long of a post, but I hope this helped. Basically, find out the player types you want, and jettison the rest. You'll be fine.

[rjackson]

Re: rebuilding the marlins helo

What would be a good trade with them, any suggestions? I wish they had a youtube video explaining the 30 team control.

Check out this thread:
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...hread-195.html

For 30 team control, just do a search on this site. There are plenty of good explanations out there and you don't have to do EVERYTHING like it seems to imply.

[Kurtzmann]

Re: rebuilding the marlins helo

Depending on the roster you're currently using for the game there are a ton of options on how to rebuild.

Personally, I'd keep Stanton because the club doesn't have a lot of power.

Decide whether you want to keep Kotchman, Pierre, etc. I'd keep Pierre because of his speed/defense and probably Polanco as well.

Make upgrades at the positions you want. Marlins seem to lack 1B/3B depth IMO, and could also use more pitching.

If you want to trade for guys I'd look at players that will be the most cost effective. Same with FAs, just make sure they don't eat up a lot of $.

I'd look around both leagues to find upgrades at 3B, C, SS and SP besides what you have. 2B isn't a huge priority for me when building a team. Polanco (if you decided to keep him) and Solano should be able to cover 2B nicely.

Defense and SP should be a high priority for rebuilding the team.

Take a look at what you start out with before any acquisitions; versus what you want:
LF (usually power, usually worst OF on team)
CF (defense, usually good defender)
RF (usually power)
SS (defense)
3B (usually power position
2B (defense)
1B (usually power)
C (hitting or defense)
P (power, finesse, or contact pitcher)

Marlins real-life:
1B/OF problem: Very reliant on a healthy Logan Morrison
SS Hechevarria/prospect: can field but doesn't seem to hit very well
RF Stanton: You know what you're getting here, not terribly injury prone.
LF Pierre: Not in his prime but can still hit and steal bases.
CF Ruggiano: A power/speed guy that hits for low AVG
3B Veteran Platoon or prospect

MLB 13 the Show: (my opinion)
1B (Keep Lo-Mo or think upgrade and/or prospect)
2B Use Polanco for 2B or move him to 3B if you find another OF bat
3B Polanco or someone that has good power/decent fielder
SS Upgrade yet keep hechevarria for defense
LF Juan Pierre, leadoff hitter and SB threat
CF Ruggiano for the moment, look for upgrade and move him to bench (Arizona has a ton of OF depth, Oakland too, potentially KC, Cincinatti)
RF Stanton, one of the only sure things about the club, but if you want to put him on the block and see how much you can get go for it.
C Brantly for the moment
P Upgrade SP, keep Cishek around (Oakland, STL, Mets, Arizona, Padres, Royals)

In looking for extra position players:

You'll want some of the guys to be extremely versatile like in real life. A player that can be used at 1B/3B/2B/OF would be very valuable to your club.

I'm not sure if Michael Morse would come cheap or not, but if he's available he would be a pretty good fit at 1B for power and avg.

Same goes for players like Mark Trumbo/Todd Frazier if they're available and reasonably priced.

Bench players: Scott Hairston, Jeff Baker... Baker and Hairston destroy LHP, while being able to play multiple positions besides OF. Neither of them have great gloves. (Hairston plays for Nationals in the update, (Cubs earlier), Baker (Rangers). A few glovemen on the bench. (If you find upgrades for Solano, Hechevarria, Polanco they can ride the pine for a bit). Mike Aviles for extra UTL guy, (Indians). Decide if you want to grab Bonifacio (Blue Jays), add Rajai Davis for extra speed

Starters: Your best 9 players: Mix and match if you want.
Batting order: (depends on how you want to play) below will be my personal favorite
1. Speed/high OBP, occasional HR power
2. Good contact hitter that won't hit into a lot of DPs has some speed if possible, some power
3. Best Hitter
4. Good in clutch situations, but also a threat to go deep
5. Power/contact spot
6. Power/contact spot
7. clutch hitter that makes consistent contact
8. probably your worst hitter
9 Pitcher's spot

LINEUP Option #2
1. Speed
2. Speed
3. Contact
4. Power
5. Power
6. Contact
7. Contact
8. Pitcher
9. Speed

OPTION #3 (lineup of players you currently have)
1. Pierre LF
2. Polanco 3B
3. Stanton RF
4. Morrison 1B
5. Ruggiano CF
6. Brantly C
7. Solano 2B
8. Hechevarria SS
9. Pitcher

OPTION #4 (lineup with upgrades in place) (got Brandon Moss from (OAK), Aviles from (CLE), Brett Wallace (HOU)
1. Pierre LF
2. Polanco 2B
3. Stanton RF
4. Moss 1B
5. Ruggiano CF
6. Wallace 3B
7. Aviles SS
8. Brantly C
9. Pitcher