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  • killrnut
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    • Jul 2012
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    #721
    Re: NCAA Will Not Renew EA Sports Contract, NCAA Football Series is Dead in Name Only

    I am so sick of this argument that college athletes don't get paid. They DO!!!! Far more than you might realize or think about. Beyond full ride or partial scholarships.

    Think of a player for your favorite school that was average. Not great, never lived up to expectations, just average. If that guy stays out of trouble and doesn't put his foot in his mouth, he will NEVER have trouble putting food on the table, assuming he stays in that area.

    A company in Ann Arbor, MI is hiring for some position. Doesn't matter what. There are two leading candidates. One played football at Michigan. One didn't. All, or most else being equal, who do you think is gonna get hired??? And I use Michigan strictly as an example. It happens everywhere.

    Another problem is that once you start paying the Football, or Basketball players, you have to pay EVERYONE, all the way down to Women's swimming and other sports no one cares about. As an example, the University of Akron, where the football team sucks and wins but one game a year, and the Soccer team is awesome and won the national championship a few years ago. I want to hear that conversation where the soccer team finds out they aren't being paid but the football team is. Or at Iowa where the wrestling team that's been national champs 4 times since 2000 isn't being paid but other sports are. and so on....

    Keeping with Akron soccer as an example, once enough of a crapstorm is raised about it and they start getting paid, you then obviously have to start paying players on ALL NCAA soccer teams, for the sake of maintaining competitive balance in both the MAC and NCAA. This trickle down effect will make its way to all NCAA sports given enough time. The problem then, is how do you determine which sports get paid more? You could pay all scholarship athletes equally, but I really don't see this happening, considering this isn't what happens under the current model of granting scholarships. Some sports are given enough scholarships to cover a whole roster, while lesser followed sports are only given a few scholarships for coaches to slice and dice as they see fit. Like reflected in the current schlarship model, the NCAA isn't going to want to pay full rosters of teams in sports that generate no revenue, or operate at a loss. Which leads to the next option.... You could do it based on revenue generated by the programs, but then we're back to complaints by Akron Soccer and Iowa Wrestling and other dominant programs of less popular sports. You could do it based on winning within the sport, but that would piss off most of the small schools, as well as simply creating an even bigger gap in recruiting between the haves and have nots of each sport. The point? I don't see how you pay players and have it be balanced fairly for all involved in college athletics.

    TL;DR- College athletes are already paid in more ways than once, and if you start paying players $$$, good luck trying to balance it fairly.
    Last edited by killrnut; 07-18-2013, 02:15 PM. Reason: Added some info to final paragraph.

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    • Retropyro
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      • Jul 2010
      • 796

      #722
      If the player likeness in NCAA Football is as real as the lawsuit say's, why does it take so much time to go through every team and edit the entire roster? I'm thinking because the "likeness" is not really close at all.
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      • GisherJohn24
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        • Aug 2008
        • 4583

        #723
        Re: NCAA Will Not Renew EA Sports Contract, NCAA Football Series is Dead in Name Only

        Originally posted by Retropyro
        If the player likeness in NCAA Football is as real as the lawsuit say's, why does it take so much time to go through every team and edit the entire roster? I'm thinking because the "likeness" is not really close at all.
        i think in the earlier NCAA games before you could change them yourselves, they look similar to the real college guys right out of the box without any modifications necessary. I think those are the games they are pissed at, not so much the current ones. Someone else might correct me ,but I think this is for past NCAA games. Maybe on PS2 and XBOX...

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        • BenGerman
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          • Sep 2008
          • 2752

          #724
          Re: NCAA Will Not Renew EA Sports Contract, NCAA Football Series is Dead in Name Only

          TL;DR- College athletes are already paid in more ways than once, and if you start paying players $$$, good luck trying to balance it fairly.
          Unfortunately, your whole argument is based on the notion that most student athletes are well renowned in their area. A lot of sports don't get the attention that football and basketball do. Like I said, all student athletes should be given a stipend (think allowance), because they aren't able to get a job and have extra cash to spend. What if they want to go out to dinner with friends? It's not like the university pays for that.

          Another thing, if football athletes are getting paid, why shouldn't other student athletes be paid? That's ridiculous. They all put in similar work loads for their university.
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          • bigbob
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            • Sep 2007
            • 10471

            #725
            Re: NCAA Will Not Renew EA Sports Contract, NCAA Football Series is Dead in Name Only

            Originally posted by Retropyro
            If the player likeness in NCAA Football is as real as the lawsuit say's, why does it take so much time to go through every team and edit the entire roster? I'm thinking because the "likeness" is not really close at all.
            Because EA doesn't have the most up-to-date information before they release the game. The rosters are set at least a month in advance, and that's probably an understatement.

            Every single freshman in the game is taken directly from websites like Rivals, Scout etc.

            It takes a lot of time to edit the entire roster because it takes a lot of time to edit the names. Numbers change, players get suspended, hurt etc.
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            • Old School SD Fan
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              • Jul 2010
              • 749

              #726
              Re: NCAA Will Not Renew EA Sports Contract, NCAA Football Series is Dead in Name Only

              Originally posted by killrnut
              I am so sick of this argument that college athletes don't get paid. They DO!!!! Far more than you might realize or think about. Beyond full ride or partial scholarships.

              Think of a player for your favorite school that was average. Not great, never lived up to expectations, just average. If that guy stays out of trouble and doesn't put his foot in his mouth, he will NEVER have trouble putting food on the table, assuming he stays in that area.

              A company in Ann Arbor, MI is hiring for some position. Doesn't matter what. There are two leading candidates. One played football at Michigan. One didn't. All, or most else being equal, who do you think is gonna get hired??? And I use Michigan strictly as an example. It happens everywhere.

              Another problem is that once you start paying the Football, or Basketball players, you have to pay EVERYONE, all the way down to Women's swimming and other sports no one cares about. As an example, the University of Akron, where the football team sucks and wins but one game a year, and the Soccer team is awesome and won the national championship a few years ago. I want to hear that conversation where the soccer team finds out they aren't being paid but the football team is. Or at Iowa where the wrestling team that's been national champs 4 times since 2000 isn't being paid but other sports are. and so on....

              Keeping with Akron soccer as an example, once enough of a crapstorm is raised about it and they start getting paid, you then obviously have to start paying players on ALL NCAA soccer teams, for the sake of maintaining competitive balance in both the MAC and NCAA. This trickle down effect will make its way to all NCAA sports given enough time. The problem then, is how do you determine which sports get paid more? You could pay all scholarship athletes equally, but I really don't see this happening, considering this isn't what happens under the current model of granting scholarships. Some sports are given enough scholarships to cover a whole roster, while lesser followed sports are only given a few scholarships for coaches to slice and dice as they see fit. Like reflected in the current schlarship model, the NCAA isn't going to want to pay full rosters of teams in sports that generate no revenue, or operate at a loss. Which leads to the next option.... You could do it based on revenue generated by the programs, but then we're back to complaints by Akron Soccer and Iowa Wrestling and other dominant programs of less popular sports. You could do it based on winning within the sport, but that would piss off most of the small schools, as well as simply creating an even bigger gap in recruiting between the haves and have nots of each sport. The point? I don't see how you pay players and have it be balanced fairly for all involved in college athletics.

              TL;DR- College athletes are already paid in more ways than once, and if you start paying players $$$, good luck trying to balance it fairly.

              You sir, are wise.

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              • MysteriousPanther
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                • May 2011
                • 43

                #727
                Re: NCAA Will Not Renew EA Sports Contract, NCAA Football Series is Dead in Name Only

                The way it went down yesterday, does mean college football fans can get to see some competition with 2K Sports vs EA Sports?

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                • Quint75
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                  • Jul 2002
                  • 3304

                  #728
                  Originally posted by Herky

                  I really hope 2K picks up the license but we are probably looking at a 2 year cycle before that is polished.
                  SMH. There is no license to pick up. The NCAA did not decide to forego renewing the license just to sign a new one with someone else. They want to get out of gaming (at least for now) because of possible liability in lawsuits like the one now pending.
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                  • seasprite
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                    • Jul 2008
                    • 8984

                    #729
                    Re: NCAA Will Not Renew EA Sports Contract, NCAA Football Series is Dead in Name Only

                    Originally posted by killrnut
                    .

                    Another problem is that once you start paying the Football, or Basketball players, you have to pay EVERYONE, all the way down to Women's swimming and other sports no one cares about.

                    I want to hear that conversation where the soccer team finds out they aren't being paid but the football team is. Or at Iowa where the wrestling team that's been national champs 4 times since 2000 isn't being paid but other sports are. and so on....
                    Agree with many points that you made in your post, but these points I quoted are a bit off IMO. The reason that I think it is off is that I believe atheletes could be paid on a basis of a scale dependant on what their sport brings in as far as revenue. College wrestling, soccer, golf, or other collegiate sports dont bring in a fraction of what football brings in. When is the last time 100,000 paying customers showed up for a college soccer game? Thats just my different angle at looking at it. At the very least, players should be paid some off of their uniform sales IMO.






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                    • seasprite
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                      • Jul 2008
                      • 8984

                      #730
                      Re: NCAA Will Not Renew EA Sports Contract, NCAA Football Series is Dead in Name Only

                      Originally posted by Quint75
                      SMH. There is no license to pick up. The NCAA did not decide to forego renewing the license just to sign a new one with someone else. They want to get out of gaming (at least for now) because of possible liability in lawsuits like the one now pending.
                      Will be interesting to see how the CLC handles a license with EA, whether that be exclusive or not.






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                      • inkcil
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                        • Jul 2002
                        • 5253

                        #731
                        Re: NCAA Will Not Renew EA Sports Contract, NCAA Football Series is Dead in Name Only

                        Bah! University Greedy-Greed Nets the following annually:

                        A.) $50 million off its football program
                        B.) $10 million off its men's basketball program
                        C.) $100,00 off its men's tennis program

                        Now, "who in the world" would still be confused as to who should get more than who?

                        Calculations 100 times more complicated are made in offices, institutions and markets ev'hour by people on their lunch break with their eyes closed. And *gasp* some of those people even work in Division One front offices.

                        On top of that, the "value" of an education is HIGHLY subjective and is valueless without a job which is valueless without money, which is used to get the things people need like food and water and shelter and clothes and videogames. And let's face it, college diploma don't = job no mo. This ain't the 1970's.
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                        • bluengold34_OS
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                          • Nov 2004
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                          #732
                          Re: NCAA Will Not Renew EA Sports Contract, NCAA Football Series is Dead in Name Only

                          Why do I feel like if you start paying players now, then former players will file lawsuits wanting restitution
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                          • gogators
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                            • May 2004
                            • 363

                            #733
                            Re: NCAA Will Not Renew EA Sports Contract, NCAA Football Series is Dead in Name Only

                            If schools had to start paying athletes, you would see MANY universities drop athletics. There are about only 50 or schools that could afford to do it.
                            Last edited by gogators; 07-18-2013, 04:30 PM.
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                            • inkcil
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                              • Jul 2002
                              • 5253

                              #734
                              Re: NCAA Will Not Renew EA Sports Contract, NCAA Football Series is Dead in Name Only

                              Originally posted by bluengold34_OS
                              Why do I feel like if you start paying players now, then former players will file lawsuits wanting restitution
                              Ha ha I agree they would try. Even Booger from Revenge of the Nerds would suit up to represent Lamda Lamda Lamda (I think the football team was all Lamda at the end of Part 1).

                              My wife had a full ride, D-1 for track, and she had to sign a contract which basically said this is what you agreed to get, this what the school gets to do to you and this is what we can't do. However, without ever seeing one of those contracts firsthand myself, I'm guessing maybe the language indemnifies the school against further claims for compensation in the context of a student's athletic obligations.
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                              • bluengold34_OS
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                                • Nov 2004
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                                #735
                                Re: NCAA Will Not Renew EA Sports Contract, NCAA Football Series is Dead in Name Only

                                Originally posted by inkcil
                                Ha ha I agree they would try. Even Booger from Revenge of the Nerds would suit up to represent Lamda Lamda Lamda (I think the football team was all Lamda at the end of Part 1).

                                My wife had a full ride, D-1 for track, and she had to sign a contract which basically said this is what you agreed to get, this what the school gets to do to you and this is what we can't do. However, without ever seeing one of those contracts firsthand myself, I'm guessing maybe the language indemnifies the school against further claims for compensation in the context of a student's athletic obligations.
                                Well it's been 15 years since I signed an LOI for baseball, but you pretty much hit the nail on the head. For those who think all you get is an education, are sorely mistaken. You get treated like a king for 4 years and whether others will admit it, you get "special consideration" from the school themselves....and much much more.
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