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  • lord_mike
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    • Jul 2008
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    The O'Bannon Lawsuit Just Got Worse...

    O'Bannon just amended his lawsuit. Read this article and weep:



    All the allegations seem really, really bad, especially since the NCAA is exclusively using the "We didn't license player likenesses" defense, which is a pretty hard sell considering the players in the game look exactly like their real life counterparts. The real killer is this:

    In August 2007, when licensing of video games was being negotiated, EA allegedly "offered to establish a 'players' fund' for the use of the (student-athletes') names, images, and likenesses. CLC, negotiating on the NCAA's behalf, instead suggested that the money should go to the NCAA. EA agreed to pay a kicker to the NCAA in order 'to align interests and incentivize all parties to help build the category with new rights.' EA made this offer contingent on 'no royalties . . . to a player fund.' "
    It doesn't look good. The only positive note here is that EA was willing to make allowances for the players, which means that they'd be OK with that in the future.... assuming they don't get killed in the present with damages. The NCAA better come up with something better than, "I know that the players in the game look exactly like who the real players are, but it's completely a coincidence" defense, which is a sure loser. At the very least, EA should be arguing first amendment. A lawsuit by Jim Brown against a gaming company was successfully defended that way. Of course, they'd look silly now, but this current defense isn't going to fly one bit.
  • The_Wise_One
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    • Jan 2011
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    Re: The O'Bannon Lawsuit Just Got Worse...

    Hmmmm
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    • BigMoneyAllDay
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      • Jul 2013
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      Re: The O'Bannon Lawsuit Just Got Worse...

      EA should just settle out of court, pay the damages and separate from the corrupt NCAA for good. Make deals with individual colleges with the Collegiate Licensing Compact.

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      • lord_mike
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        • Jul 2008
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        Re: The O'Bannon Lawsuit Just Got Worse...

        Originally posted by BigMoneyAllDay
        EA should just settle out of court, pay the damages and separate from the corrupt NCAA for good. Make deals with individual colleges with the Collegiate Licensing Compact.
        It's not the colleges that are the problem, it's the players. It's clear that EA has no problem paying them, but the current rules prohibit them from being paid, even though those rules might be ruled retroactively illegal in the future. That's the problem. As a company, how do you manage such an impossible situation. No article has suggested what to do about that. Maybe they could put some money in escrow or something... I don't know.

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        • BigMoneyAllDay
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          • Jul 2013
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          Re: The O'Bannon Lawsuit Just Got Worse...

          Originally posted by lord_mike
          It's not the colleges that are the problem, it's the players. It's clear that EA has no problem paying them, but the current rules prohibit them from being paid, even though those rules might be ruled retroactively illegal in the future. That's the problem. As a company, how do you manage such an impossible situation. No article has suggested what to do about that. Maybe they could put some money in escrow or something... I don't know.
          I'm thinking they should make like a superfund, like donate maybe 10 percent of their profits each year to a fund that athletes who don't make the pros can get a cut of. With licensing costs down I'm sure they can mange.

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          • The_Wise_One
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            • Jan 2011
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            Re: The O'Bannon Lawsuit Just Got Worse...

            I know it's late but this is #1 on ESPN headlines

            Six current college football players were added as plaintiffs Thursday to a high-profile antitrust lawsuit that claims the NCAA owes billions of dollars to former players for allowing their likenesses to be used without compensation.
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            • Mashiasu
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              • Apr 2005
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              Re: The O'Bannon Lawsuit Just Got Worse...

              Originally posted by The_Wise_One
              I know it's late but this is #1 on ESPN headlines

              http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...n-ncaa-lawsuit
              I'm a bit confused in the other thread from what I read was that the CLC was not part of the lawsuit so they would be able to agree with EA to continue the CFB series but this article states that the CLC is part of the lawsuit

              The O'Bannon complaint alleges the NCAA, EA Sports and the nation's leading trademark and licensing firm, Collegiate Licensing Co., violated antitrust laws.
              can somebody clear up my confusion.

              Thanks in advance

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              • K0ZZ
                The Hard Way
                • Dec 2004
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                No offense but outside of physical statistics the players don't look like their real life counterparts, especially when it comes to the faces which largely look ridculious.

                To be honest, this probably helps EA more than it hurts them, but it hurts the NCAA who says no to paying the athletes and told EA to just give them the funds that were allotted to the players which in all liklihood turned into bonuses for the upper echelon.
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                • Aggies7
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                  • Jan 2005
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                  Originally posted by chicagopax
                  No offense but outside of physical statistics the players don't look like their real life counterparts, especially when it comes to the faces which largely look ridculious.

                  To be honest, this probably helps EA more than it hurts them, but it hurts the NCAA who says no to paying the athletes and told EA to just give them the funds that were allotted to the players which in all liklihood turned into bonuses for the upper echelon.
                  I agree all the players pictures now look like cartoon characters. Just sad they want to ruin it for us. Yet they got a scholarship to play football which equates to a free education. And even the ones that didn't get a scholarship they still got to play college football.

                  I wish I could've excepted the two scholarships I had to continuing playing in college unfortunately I had already had 3 knee surgeries and decided against it.

                  But back on topic. I hope EA has a way to prove that these little cartoon character faces look nothing like their real life counterparts.
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                  • LastExit
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                    Re: The O'Bannon Lawsuit Just Got Worse...

                    Originally posted by The_Wise_One
                    I know it's late but this is #1 on ESPN headlines

                    http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...n-ncaa-lawsuit
                    If EA is smart, they will be proactive in the future and go out of their way to use player numbers and attributes. It will mean a lot of work to put together realistic rosters on the user end but I'd rather that than have nothing.

                    On a side note - if anything, EA will save 540,000/year by not having to pay for the "NCAA" part in their football games. Who cares if "NCAA" is in the game......the only other worry would be the licensing by individual schools.

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                    • K0ZZ
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                      • Dec 2004
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                      Re: The O'Bannon Lawsuit Just Got Worse...

                      Originally posted by Aggies7
                      I agree all the players pictures now look like cartoon characters. Just sad they want to ruin it for us. Yet they got a scholarship to play football which equates to a free education. And even the ones that didn't get a scholarship they still got to play college football.

                      I wish I could've excepted the two scholarships I had to continuing playing in college unfortunately I had already had 3 knee surgeries and decided against it.

                      But back on topic. I hope EA has a way to prove that these little cartoon character faces look nothing like their real life counterparts.
                      I absolutely agree with you. People understate what a degree does if they actually devote time to a field they are interested in and don't go for a basic degree to breeze through school.
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                      • Aggies7
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                        Originally posted by chicagopax
                        I absolutely agree with you. People understate what a degree does if they actually devote time to a field they are interested in and don't go for a basic degree to breeze through school.
                        Exactly and I don't know O'Bannon probably because he was a nobody where ever he played, but I'm sure he probably....well should have left school with a degree. Yet this is what he gripes about.
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                        • okstate19
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                          Re: The O'Bannon Lawsuit Just Got Worse...

                          Originally posted by Aggies7
                          Exactly and I don't know O'Bannon probably because he was a nobody where ever he played, but I'm sure he probably....well should have left school with a degree. Yet this is what he gripes about.
                          I'm on your side as far as the lawsuit and degree thing goes, and I hate to be the "well...actually" guy, but Ed O'Bannon was far from a scrub when he was in school.

                          http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...obannon-1.html

                          He washed out in the NBA, but still, not exactly a nobody. National Champion, 1st team All-American, and Wooden Award winner, at the very least.

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                          • Aggies7
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                            Originally posted by okstate19
                            I'm on your side as far as the lawsuit and degree thing goes, and I hate to be the "well...actually" guy, but Ed O'Bannon was far from a scrub when he was in school.

                            http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/...obannon-1.html

                            He washed out in the NBA, but still, not exactly a nobody. National Champion, 1st team All-American, and Wooden Award winner, at the very least.
                            Ok I did not even know he was a basketball player and I don't follow basketball so that would be why I didn't know him. That's my fault it said it in the article but I figured this was all referencing EA's college football games.
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                            • okstate19
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                              Re: The O'Bannon Lawsuit Just Got Worse...

                              Originally posted by Aggies7
                              Ok I did not even know he was a basketball player and I don't follow basketball so that would be why I didn't know him. That's my fault it said it in the article but I figured this was all referencing EA's college football games.
                              No worries man. I hated even bringing it up. I don't like being "that guy." I especially agree with what you said about degrees and all that.

                              I DO feel that the NCAA still needs to improve some ways that they treat ALL players, but this isn't the place to comment/debate that.

                              I really don't care for UCLA. I HATE Ed O'Bannon (for obvious reasons.) But just wanted to point out, dude was no scrub.

                              It's weird to root for EA as a company in anything, but I would really hate to see college football games disappear.

                              I don't understand why EA didn't start completely randomizing numbers, race, heights, and weights...and then allow us to edit ALL teams' rosters online via a process like TeamBuilder. It would be SO much faster, and would allow for super accurate, USER made rosters available on the game's launch day. I feel it's probably too late for this kind of option now. Maybe not. It seems like it could solve a lot of problems though.

                              But now...who knows now. What if EA makes a college football game and the whole Big 10 decides they want a super large amount of money? Or Notre Dame? Will you just leave them out? (Think College Hoops and their fake schools). Or what if it's just one school in one conference? What then?

                              EA doesn't care about bringing joy to consumers through college football games. It cares about profit. If a college football game proves to be too big of a challenge to be profitable (or if the profit barely exceeds licensing costs)...then you can probably chalk up college football games as things of the past.

                              It's a shame really. I guess Ed O'Bannon, Sam Keller, and the like aren't gamers. I'm a little worried this may be the beginning of the end of the college football video game. I really, really hope I'm wrong though.

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