Player faces still not correct?

[Mutilated]

EA is so damn lazy when it comes to the faces.
Just watched 30 min long video from NHL 14 and most players still has the wrong faces. Only the major super stars have their correct faces.

Have they worked on this at all this year? Doesnt seem like it.

[Simple Mathematics]

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They probably didn't work on it at all for NHL 14. If all players don't have their faces on NHL 15 on next gen consoles I will be extremely disappointed. I care way more about gameplay than something like this. But come on, it's 2013.

[Dougie_G_93]

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It's pretty clear these rosters are just copied from 12 to 13 to 14...
so if the faces were wrong in 13 chances are they won't change in 14.

Unless people band together and start flooding the twitter feeds and the nhl14 forum with complaints.

Squeaky wheel gets the grease..........

Come on people UNITE!!!!!

[CaptainSuperman]

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1) They are just faces

2) You really can't expect them to do ALL the faces in one year. Or every face in the NHL for that matter. Chances are they have the players themselves come in to the studio to capture their face with their 360 degree camera booth thing.

[sully61]

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1) They are just faces

2) You really can't expect them to do ALL the faces in one year. Or every face in the NHL for that matter. Chances are they have the players themselves come in to the studio to capture their face with their 360 degree camera booth thing.

I'm sure there's a program that you just put a picture on the computer and then it'll work.

[CaptainSuperman]

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I'm sure there's a program that you just put a picture on the computer and then it'll work.

I'm pretty sure they do a full body scan. Pictures are only 2D. I know that in the UFC games they were able to get this giant scar that was in a fighters back into the game because of the scan.

Did some searching and I found this.

http://www.techradar.com/us/news/gaming/how-ea-brings-your-fifa-players-to-photo-realistic-life-1139060

http://www.ea.com/fifa11/videos/fifa12-starheads-01?websso=1

http://fifasoccerblog.com/blog/ea-to-hold-face-capture-sessions-in-spainengland/

[Moose24x]

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I'm sure they do a scan as well, but 2D photo use, or at least some slight attention to skin/hair color and/or ethnicity when creating players who haven't had a scan would be nice. I don't care if every player gets their face in the game (would be nice for next gen) but I would like it if I didn't get three years into a GM only to call up one of my team's highly thought of Scandinavian prospects to find out that they're bald and black at 22 years old. That would be nice.

[giantsharks]

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1) They are just faces

2) You really can't expect them to do ALL the faces in one year. Or every face in the NHL for that matter. Chances are they have the players themselves come in to the studio to capture their face with their 360 degree camera booth thing.

My only question how does a game like the show get all 25 men on each team pretty much dead on, i mean there are some exceptions here and there but for the most part they look spot on. Its not a huge deal but it is disappointing. When i see ryane clowe score a goal and then it cuts to some weird looking blonde guy celebrating, its kind of annoying, they dont even get the hair color right for the most part. If the show can make emmannuel burriss (if your asking yourself who then ive proved my point) look dead on then i expect a little more from nhl

[CaptainSuperman]

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My only question how does a game like the show get all 25 men on each team pretty much dead on, i mean there are some exceptions here and there but for the most part they look spot on. Its not a huge deal but it is disappointing. When i see ryane clowe score a goal and then it cuts to some weird looking blonde guy celebrating, its kind of annoying, they dont even get the hair color right for the most part. If the show can make emmannuel burriss (if your asking yourself who then ive proved my point) look dead on then i expect a little more from nhl

I think that just goes to show you how awesome and dedicated the devlopment team over at San Diego Studio is. I'm not even a baseball fan, but I praise just about everything about those games. The presentation, the gameplay, the career and create a player modes. Their first game back in '06 was amazing for a first release.

But I think baseball is an easier game to make, as there is no physical contact and that means less worries about programming and what not. They pretty much nailed gameplay so they get to focus on other things like the presentation and player models and equipment. Where as here with NHL EA is trying to improve the player physics, skating, hitting, puck movement, all the while trying to improve GM mode, BaP, online features, bringing in GM connected. I think over the years EA has done so well with NHL and pleased users that they are almost spoiled. But then once they try to make improvements, it's not always fully fleshed out, and then yes, of course, people will complain.

[TommyWizard]

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A custom face vs a normal bland one will use up a lot more programming memory. Polygons and all that sort of designer jargon, to make everything look nice you need a lot of resources. If you think of it like this...

Memory is used for:

Players, and movement
The crowd animations, plus goal lights, lighting effects etc.
Sound from the commentators, sounds effects like ice skates and body crunches and the odd shout from the crowd / bench
The active replay system to keep everything held in memory for the short replay you can go back to

And whatever else. Adding in detailed faces of 25 players, spread over 30 teams... and then going into AHL and the other leagues, its a lot of memory that I would rather see put to other uses.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see a players face and be able to say "Oh such and such scored that" rather than having to wait until seeing the name on the back of the jersey...

[Zobitembois]

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I hope Mark Fayne won't be black for a third year in a row...

[Moose24x]

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I hope Mark Fayne won't be black for a third year in a row...

It's sad that this even has to be said, but this is exactly what I'm talking about.

I don't expect EA to get scans of every face, or allocate enough memory to player faces for them to store all of the players, but there is an art department that works on the game and... frankly, not a LOT of the art changes year over year. Could they at least just look at pictures of the players and choose generic faces that SOMEWHAT resemble their likeness? I mean, there are about 180 generic faces in the game; every NHL player resembles at least one of those faces SOMEWHAT. Just match it up. That alone would go a long way.

Also, and this one is big for me... let us EDIT a generic face. Say I like face #136, but it's bald and I want the guy I'm creating to have long hair. But everything else is perfect. Let me just slap one of the hair options from the custom faces on the generic face I chose. You will let me choose the players goddam EYE COLOR? But not to give him hair? Because I can actually SEE his eye color SO often, right? Say I like face #71, but I want my player to have some facial hair. Just let me add it from the regular creation options. Or, say face #71 is perfect in EVERY way, except he's bleach blond. Let me just give him brown hair for Pete's sake! I can change his all important eye color, but not his hair color. On a side note(a really, really nit-picky side note, I admit), can we get some better facial hair options too? The ones in the game are terrible. The only beards in the game, whether generic or custom, are these sloppy things with lots of neck beard going on. They're also not very thick. The stubble option is also really weak. Give us a darker, fuller stubble option and give us at least one beard option that has a clean neck and defined outlines, ie:




Oh, and if EA doesn't want to take the time to make every player look like themselves, that's fine with me. Just put BACK the ability to edit a players appearance, name, etc. That was in the game back in what... 2006? 2007? They removed it. Why? Once I buy the game and take it home, what I choose to do with MY offline rosters is my business only. So, if I want to change the face you assigned to a player, let me. You used to allow it and then you took it away? Why EVER take something AWAY from the customer?


Oh, and my biggest (selfish and unimportant) complaint (only because I'm a Rangers fan): Can we get Rick Nash a beard? I know I shouldn't be saying anything, because he at least has a game face, but... Rick Nash hasn't looked like that in years. The guy wears a beard 365 for like... the past 1000+ days. Once upon a time, Zetterberg didn't have a beard in the game, but he did have his face. They added the beard for him. Nash is a pretty high profile player. Can we please get the man some facial hair? Every year, I actually edit the real Rick Nash down to a 40, stick him on team Austria, create a player with long hair and a beard and stick him on Columbus/NY in Nash's place. It's frustrating because neither the original Nash or the guy I create actually look like the real deal. Mine's better though.

[Flamesfan102]

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It's not like EA can put every players face in the game. They have to ask permission from the players if they want their face to be in the game. There still will be generic faces in NHL 14.

[Moose24x]

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It's not like EA can put every players face in the game. They have to ask permission from the players if they want their face to be in the game. There still will be generic faces in NHL 14.

My least favorite poster on ANY discussion site is the one who reads the title of the thread and comes in with a dismissive or know-it-all answer that shows they haven't actually bothered to read any of the discussion within the thread. If you're not going to acknowledge what others have contributed to the conversation already, what makes you feel fit to "join the conversation"? That would be like me overhearing someone say the words "Pittsburgh Penguins" from across the room at a party, wandering over and, without hearing what the people are actually talking about or getting a feel for where they are in their conversation just butting in with "If Paul Martin isn't quartered and dragged before the start of the season I'm going to puke!". People would look at me like I'm crazy, it would be rude, and it would likely be off the mark, redundant or completely unrelated to the discussion.

That's kind of how your post is. Considering that virtually every post in this thread has acknowledged that there will be generic faces in NHL 14 and that EA can't be expected to have all of the faces in the game, especially on current gen consoles, you're the internet version of "that guy".

[Simple Mathematics]

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It's not like EA can put every players face in the game. They have to ask permission from the players if they want their face to be in the game. There still will be generic faces in NHL 14.

To put it simply... The Show did it.