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  • tomenol
    Rookie
    • Sep 2010
    • 23

    #1

    Top 25 Rankings get Messed Up over Time

    First off: why are there no final BCS rankings?

    I am in the fourth seasson of my offline dynasty. The first two years I was the OC at Texas. Than I got the HC job at USF offered and this is where I still am.

    In the first year, the final Coach Top 25 rankings looked quite normal:

    <html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /><link href="http://dynasties.operationsports.com/css/osdyn.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"></head><body><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn" width="575"><tr class="masthead_alt"><td bgcolor="#871016" colspan="6"><span style="color:#FFFFFF">NCAA Football Rankings - Coaches Top 25 - Updated: Jan 1, </span></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="8%">RK</td><td width="57%">TEAM (VOTES)</td><td align="center" width="10%">W</td><td align="center" width="10%">L</td><td align="center" width="15%">POINTS</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>1</td><td>Oklahoma</td><td align="center">12</td><td align="center">1</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>2</td><td>Ohio State</td><td align="center">12</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>3</td><td>Nebraska</td><td align="center">13</td><td align="center">1</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>4</td><td>Alabama</td><td align="center">12</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>5</td><td>Texas A&M</td><td align="center">11</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>6</td><td>Texas</td><td align="center">11</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>7</td><td>Kansas State</td><td align="center">11</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>8</td><td>Louisville</td><td align="center">11</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>9</td><td>Notre Dame</td><td align="center">10</td><td align="center">3</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>10</td><td>Clemson</td><td align="center">11</td><td align="center">3</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>11</td><td>Boise State</td><td align="center">12</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>12</td><td>Oregon</td><td align="center">11</td><td align="center">3</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>13</td><td>Auburn</td><td align="center">9</td><td align="center">4</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>14</td><td>Michigan</td><td align="center">9</td><td align="center">4</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>15</td><td>Stanford</td><td align="center">9</td><td align="center">4</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>16</td><td>Arizona</td><td align="center">10</td><td align="center">3</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>17</td><td>LSU</td><td align="center">9</td><td align="center">4</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>18</td><td>Georgia Tech</td><td align="center">10</td><td align="center">3</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>19</td><td>Texas Tech</td><td align="center">9</td><td align="center">4</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>20</td><td>Maryland</td><td align="center">9</td><td align="center">4</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>21</td><td>USC</td><td align="center">10</td><td align="center">4</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>22</td><td>Wisconsin</td><td align="center">9</td><td align="center">4</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>23</td><td>Florida</td><td align="center">10</td><td align="center">4</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>24</td><td>Syracuse</td><td align="center">9</td><td align="center">4</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>25</td><td>North Carolina</td><td align="center">9</td><td align="center">4</td><td align="center"></td></tr></table></body></html>

    Oklahoma won the National Championship game vs. Alabama.

    The second year also looked like it could happen in real life:

    <html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /><link href="http://dynasties.operationsports.com/css/osdyn.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"></head><body><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn" width="575"><tr class="masthead_alt"><td bgcolor="#871016" colspan="6"><span style="color:#FFFFFF">NCAA Football Rankings - Coaches Poll - Updated: Jan 1, </span></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="8%">RK</td><td width="57%">TEAM (VOTES)</td><td align="center" width="10%">W</td><td align="center" width="10%">L</td><td align="center" width="15%">POINTS</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>1</td><td>Texas A&M</td><td align="center">11</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>2</td><td>Michigan</td><td align="center">11</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>3</td><td>Ohio State</td><td align="center">13</td><td align="center">1</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>4</td><td>Oklahoma</td><td align="center">11</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>5</td><td>Alabama</td><td align="center">11</td><td align="center">3</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>6</td><td>Miami</td><td align="center">10</td><td align="center">3</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>7</td><td>Texas</td><td align="center">11</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>8</td><td>Georgia Tech</td><td align="center">11</td><td align="center">3</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>9</td><td>Louisville</td><td align="center">10</td><td align="center">3</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>10</td><td>Oregon State</td><td align="center">10</td><td align="center">3</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>11</td><td>Florida</td><td align="center">10</td><td align="center">3</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>12</td><td>USC</td><td align="center">9</td><td align="center">4</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>13</td><td>NC State</td><td align="center">9</td><td align="center">4</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>14</td><td>Washington</td><td align="center">11</td><td align="center">3</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>15</td><td>Iowa</td><td align="center">11</td><td align="center">3</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>16</td><td>Florida State</td><td align="center">10</td><td align="center">4</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>17</td><td>Nebraska</td><td align="center">9</td><td align="center">4</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>18</td><td>Boise State</td><td align="center">11</td><td align="center">3</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>19</td><td>UCF</td><td align="center">12</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>20</td><td>Kansas</td><td align="center">9</td><td align="center">4</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>21</td><td>Maryland</td><td align="center">9</td><td align="center">4</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>22</td><td>Georgia</td><td align="center">10</td><td align="center">4</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>23</td><td>Utah State</td><td align="center">10</td><td align="center">3</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>24</td><td>Arizona State</td><td align="center">10</td><td align="center">4</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>25</td><td>Virginia Tech</td><td align="center">8</td><td align="center">5</td><td align="center"></td></tr></table></body></html>

    Texas A&M won the National Title vs. Alabama.

    You could argue why 13-1 Ohio State (Big10 Champion and Rose Bowl Champion vs #18 Arizona State) is ranked behind 11-2 Michigan (Sugar Bowl Champion vs. #5 Georgia Tech), but overall these rankings look ok to me.

    In year three is when it all derailed and "small" schools start to climb up:

    <html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /><link href="http://dynasties.operationsports.com/css/osdyn.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"></head><body><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn" width="575"><tr class="masthead_alt"><td bgcolor="#871016" colspan="6"><span style="color:#FFFFFF">NCAA Football Rankings - Coaches Poll - Updated: Jan 1, </span></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="8%">RK</td><td width="57%">TEAM (VOTES)</td><td align="center" width="10%">W</td><td align="center" width="10%">L</td><td align="center" width="15%">POINTS</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>1</td><td>USC</td><td align="center">13</td><td align="center">1</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>2</td><td>Texas A&M</td><td align="center">12</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>3</td><td>TCU</td><td align="center">11</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>4</td><td>Alabama</td><td align="center">11</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>5</td><td>Oklahoma</td><td align="center">11</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>6</td><td>Georgia Tech</td><td align="center">12</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>7</td><td>UL Lafayette</td><td align="center">12</td><td align="center">1</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>8</td><td>Nebraska</td><td align="center">9</td><td align="center">4</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>9</td><td>UCF</td><td align="center">12</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>10</td><td>San DIego State</td><td align="center">11</td><td align="center">3</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>11</td><td>Utah</td><td align="center">10</td><td align="center">3</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>12</td><td>Iowa</td><td align="center">9</td><td align="center">4</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>13</td><td>Northern Illinois</td><td align="center">10</td><td align="center">3</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>14</td><td>Maryland</td><td align="center">10</td><td align="center">4</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>15</td><td>Indiana</td><td align="center">10</td><td align="center">4</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>16</td><td>Army</td><td align="center">11</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>17</td><td>LSU</td><td align="center">8</td><td align="center">5</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>18</td><td>Vanderbilt</td><td align="center">8</td><td align="center">5</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>19</td><td>Texas</td><td align="center">9</td><td align="center">4</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>20</td><td>Oregon State</td><td align="center">8</td><td align="center">5</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>21</td><td>Marshall</td><td align="center">10</td><td align="center">3</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>22</td><td>Michigan</td><td align="center">8</td><td align="center">5</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>23</td><td>North Carolina</td><td align="center">8</td><td align="center">5</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>24</td><td>Ohio</td><td align="center">9</td><td align="center">4</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>25</td><td>Oregon</td><td align="center">8</td><td align="center">6</td><td align="center"></td></tr></table></body></html>

    USC beat Georgia Tech for the National Title.

    Year four is now the craziest:

    2-loss Sun Belt teams ranked in the top 10? Ahead of a 2-loss ACC and a 2-loss Big12 team??

    But the best thing: guess who won the national title game? USC beat Nebraska but is ranked behind them and got less votes for 1st?!?!? #3 Georgia beat #5 Ohio State in the Rose BOwl and dropped to #4, leap frogged by Texas A&M who lost to #6 Virginia Tech in the Orange bowl... Can somebody please explain the logic behind these rankings? EA please fix this ASAP!!!

    <html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /><link href="http://dynasties.operationsports.com/css/osdyn.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"></head><body><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn" width="575"><tr class="masthead_alt"><td bgcolor="#871016" colspan="6"><span style="color:#FFFFFF">NCAA Football Rankings - Coaches Poll - Updated: Jan 1, </span></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="8%">RK</td><td width="57%">TEAM (VOTES)</td><td align="center" width="10%">W</td><td align="center" width="10%">L</td><td align="center" width="15%">POINTS</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>1</td><td>Nebraska (38)</td><td align="center">12</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>2</td><td>USC (22)</td><td align="center">13</td><td align="center">1</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>3</td><td>Texas A&M</td><td align="center">10</td><td align="center">4</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>4</td><td>Georgia</td><td align="center">10</td><td align="center">3</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>5</td><td>Ohio State</td><td align="center">10</td><td align="center">3</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>6</td><td>Arkansas State (1)</td><td align="center">11</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>7</td><td>Virginia Tech</td><td align="center">11</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>8</td><td>UL Lafayette</td><td align="center">11</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>9</td><td>UCF</td><td align="center">10</td><td align="center">3</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>10</td><td>Oklahoma</td><td align="center">10</td><td align="center">3</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>11</td><td>Connecticut</td><td align="center">11</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>12</td><td>USF</td><td align="center">12</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>13</td><td>Michigan</td><td align="center">9</td><td align="center">4</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>14</td><td>Baylor</td><td align="center">11</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>15</td><td>Georgia Tech</td><td align="center">10</td><td align="center">4</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>16</td><td>Oregon</td><td align="center">9</td><td align="center">4</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>17</td><td>South Carolina</td><td align="center">8</td><td align="center">5</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>18</td><td>Pittsburgh</td><td align="center">10</td><td align="center">3</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>19</td><td>TCU</td><td align="center">8</td><td align="center">5</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>20</td><td>Florida</td><td align="center">10</td><td align="center">4</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>21</td><td>West Virginia</td><td align="center">8</td><td align="center">5</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>22</td><td>Maryland</td><td align="center">8</td><td align="center">5</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>23</td><td>Rice</td><td align="center">12</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>24</td><td>Northern Illinois</td><td align="center">12</td><td align="center">2</td><td align="center"></td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>25</td><td>Clemson</td><td align="center">9</td><td align="center">5</td><td align="center"></td></tr></table></body></html>
  • MTF2486
    Rookie
    • Jul 2013
    • 21

    #2
    Re: Top 25 Rankings get Messed Up over Time

    1) and fcs team beat oregon state

    2) alabama, florida, georgia, oregon have all lost to far inferior teams (UGA also lost to LSU)

    WTF

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    • jbrew2411
      MVP
      • Dec 2007
      • 2554

      #3
      Re: Top 25 Rankings get Messed Up over Time

      I for one love that the same schools are not always in the top 10 each year. You have to look at coaching changes, transfers, schedules, recruiting, and where a team is ranked at the start of the season. ULL finished in the top 10 in year 4 so they had to start high. Maybe they lost games early so they were able to climb back up. There is a lot of factors that can play out to see the results you are seeing.

      It is a video game after all!!!
      Relax, it's just a video game!

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      • tomenol
        Rookie
        • Sep 2010
        • 23

        #4
        Re: Top 25 Rankings get Messed Up over Time

        Well, I can see small schools showing up in the top 10, but not so many after only 4 years... This should take some time to develop.

        What I cannot understand is when a team wins the National Championship Game why they are not ranked #1 in the final polls. Or a team loses it's bowl game and moves from #4 to #3, although other top 6 teams won.

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        • jejones
          Rookie
          • May 2012
          • 134

          #5
          Re: Top 25 Rankings get Messed Up over Time

          USC won two years in a row....I see nothing wrong :P

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          • ajk49er
            Pro
            • Sep 2011
            • 715

            #6
            Re: Top 25 Rankings get Messed Up over Time

            I think its pretty awesome. ULL seems to do well in a lot of franchise's. if they do well year 1, they often get a darn awesome coordinator to take over as HC(major applewhite in mine, who then got promoted the next year after 10 wins at ULL, to the HC gig at South Carolina)

            sometimes teams rise, a coach goes in and can completely turn around a program. its nice to see the coaches actually matter to an extent. if you get a coach who can't recruit, you will end up falling in later years

            ive seen remarkable consistency in the no name teams doing well, then having their coach get a promotion, or teams that deserve to be in the top 25 based on record even if YOU don't think so

            ULL will rank high almost every year as they get a cakewalk schedule.

            lot of things in this game need to be fixed. the top 25? meh. crazy things happen, Alabama won the national title the first 2 years in my dynasty, then just lost their undefeated year 3 to COLORADO STATE. things happen
            360-Chiefs-)

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            • GruffyMcGuiness
              Rise up!
              • Mar 2012
              • 1354

              #7
              Re: Top 25 Rankings get Messed Up over Time

              I just hate the fact that the user teams in my online dynasty have 3 or 4 losses every year but are always in the top 10 week in and out.

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              • EAGLESFAN10
                MVP
                • Nov 2011
                • 2336

                #8
                Re: Top 25 Rankings get Messed Up over Time

                I dont see nothing wrong with the rankings honestly

                this aint the NFL players wont be there 8+ years

                Maybe the recruits didnt pan out ...

                I like when lower teams become good
                LOUISVILLE
                Ali/Mayweather
                Eagles

                BRON IS THE GOAT!!

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                • jayenomics
                  Banned
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 2076

                  #9
                  Re: Top 25 Rankings get Messed Up over Time

                  I personally love seeing this. If this happened in year 1, I could see the problem. But these schools have had three years to build, and others have had three years to fold.

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                  • mrwarre85
                    Rookie
                    • Jul 2013
                    • 63

                    #10
                    Re: Top 25 Rankings get Messed Up over Time

                    put the top four teams in a playoff after year 1. doesn't have to be perfect. just use the top four teams in the bcs standings, and randomly assign them to current BCS bowls, with just one more game added at the end for a championship.

                    now that EA might not be making an ncaa game anymore, they have little excuse not to patch this.

                    also OP, I agree with you. I don't think people really read your post. 1 loss USC did not win the championship after beating 2 loss nebraska IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME.

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                    • jayenomics
                      Banned
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 2076

                      #11
                      Re: Top 25 Rankings get Messed Up over Time

                      Originally posted by mrwarre85
                      put the top four teams in a playoff after year 1. doesn't have to be perfect. just use the top four teams in the bcs standings, and randomly assign them to current BCS bowls, with just one more game added at the end for a championship.

                      now that EA might not be making an ncaa game anymore, they have little excuse not to patch this.

                      also OP, I agree with you. I don't think people really read your post. 1 loss USC did not win the championship after beating 2 loss nebraska IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME.
                      EA will be making College Football games for the next few years at least...so I don't know where you are getting your info from.

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                      • USCRob
                        Rookie
                        • Jul 2009
                        • 24

                        #12
                        Re: Top 25 Rankings get Messed Up over Time

                        for the OP, are you sure USC didn't actually win the championship? I remember last year this would happen at times where One team would beat the other in the BCS NCG and not be ranked ahead of the team they beat, but when
                        you check the teams stats (like the last time they won a championship) it correctly had them listed as champions. Also, i haven't taken the time to look into it, but in real life, I believe there isn't an actual End of season bcs poll (there are other polls that do end of season rankings like the media and coaches polls), so the final BCS poll would show the rankings going into the BCSNCG and not after the game. That may be the case here.
                        Last edited by USCRob; 08-01-2013, 04:51 PM.
                        "I never lie. I believe everything I say, so it's not a lie."-Mark Wahlberg

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                        • BigMoneyAllDay
                          Banned
                          • Jul 2013
                          • 282

                          #13
                          Re: Top 25 Rankings get Messed Up over Time

                          Originally posted by jayenomics
                          EA will be making College Football games for the next few years at least...so I don't know where you are getting your info from.
                          I do. He's getting his info from stupid *** video game blogs..

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                          • tomenol
                            Rookie
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 23

                            #14
                            Re: Top 25 Rankings get Messed Up over Time

                            Originally posted by USCRob
                            for the OP, are you sure USC didn't actually win the championship? I remember last year this would happen at times where One team would beat the other in the BCS NCG and not be ranked ahead of the team they beat, but when
                            you check the teams stats (like the last time they won a championship) it correctly had them listed as champions. Also, i haven't taken the time to look into it, but in real life, I believe there isn't an actual End of season bcs poll (there are other polls that do end of season rankings like the media and coaches polls), so the final BCS poll would show the rankings going into the BCSNCG and not after the game. That may be the case here.
                            Yes, USC won the national championship as it was shown in the team info screen (last title: 2016). This error never happend to me in NCAA 2013 so I guess I was lucky until now...

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