What determines whether players leave early?

[LilDaVe678]

Just curious, because my friends and I finished our first season of our OD. My friend who is South Carolina took home the title. I was Arizona and finished 3rd after a Rose Bowl win.

Now, no one from either of our teams declared early. Brandon Wilds won the Heisman, and obviously he has Clowney. From my team, Ka'Deem Carey finished 2nd in the Heisman and Austin Hill led the country in receptions, yards, touchdowns (for a WR) and won the Biletnikoff. None of those 4 declared. Not that I'm complaining :wink:

The only guys who declared early were from my friends Notre Dame team that finished 8th, 2 guys who had decent stats but nothing crazy and he got them both to return (their names escape me).

So is there really any rhyme or reason to the guys leaving or staying? I suppose I can see Carey and Hill staying to "make a run" at a title, but there's no way Clowney hangs around. Any thoughts?

[brys10]

Re: What determines whether players leave early?

I don't really know for sure why they leave or not, but I think it's pretty random. Remember the game doesn't see jadeveon clowney like we do. To the game he's just de #7 for south Carolina. I don't know if overall factors in or not. Only player I had leave was a we who had a pretty good season. I also wonder if him being a redshirt junior had anything to do with it

[StoneCalf]

Re: What determines whether players leave early?

I haven't been able to figure out why certain players do or do not declare either. I too had a Heisman winner stay for his Senior season. I think this is the only Heisman I've ever won, but T.J. Yeldon won it as a Junior, and I was surprised that he returned, as he was already a very high 90 something overall player.

Then, more recently, I had a modestly rated, backup type WR declare as a Junior. Well, he was a backup the year before with probably less than 5 receptions for the season, but I persuaded him to stay, as he would be a projected starter, which he did.

[TripleCrown9]

Re: What determines whether players leave early?

I know that depth chart factors in.

Last year, in my LSU dynasty, I had my starting running back leave early, and two more transfer. And after all that I still had 3 or 4 backs on my roster.

[thbends]

Re: What determines whether players leave early?

I won the Heisman with a JR HB and all season the commentary acted like he might leave but he didn't.

[friscob]

Re: What determines whether players leave early?

How many unsolved muders the athlete was inolved in that they're running away from is the main reason.

I always just assumed the main factors were their ovr rating, draft projection, and teams ability to compete for a 'ship in the next year.

[ncaa13]

Re: What determines whether players leave early?

it's stupid and broken. J Manziel stayed til he was a senior as well as B Miller in like 5 different dynasties. Too many OL players and starters who have great stats don't while average backups leave. I think it has more to do with height and weight.

[wtd03]

Re: What determines whether players leave early?

it's stupid and broken. J Manziel stayed til he was a senior as well as B Miller in like 5 different dynasties. Too many OL players and starters who have great stats don't while average backups leave. I think it has more to do with height and weight.

Yea I was wondering why Manziel is still in my dynasty even at a senior. He is rated 99 in my game and has won heisman twice.

I was like are you still here dude?

[RonNewman75]

Re: What determines whether players leave early?

Wouldn't shock me if Miller did stay IRL. All he could do is raise his stock.

[striker1064]

It seems either random or way too dependant on depth chat and nothing else. I had Manziel stay through his senior year, even after winning a second Heisman before that year, and I assume it's entirely because he's the clear cut starter and there's no depth chart ambiguity.

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[AnyMeansNecessary]

Re: What determines whether players leave early?

it's stupid and broken. J Manziel stayed til he was a senior as well as B Miller in like 5 different dynasties. Too many OL players and starters who have great stats don't while average backups leave. I think it has more to do with height and weight.

I don't see either of those guys leaving early in real life ?

[Timeetyo]

Re: What determines whether players leave early?

I think the problem we have here is that there are just too many highly rated players due to the insane progression in this year. In past years a lot of 5* with decent attributes (height/weight) for his position would leave after his junior (or red shirt sophomore) year and it was extremely rare to have a 5* stay for all 5 if you decided to redshirt. This made it so anyone that came in that high it was a complete waste to redshirt as you never saw the benefit.

This year, however, I have yet to have an appropriate player leave early. I did have 1 backup 88 OVR TE leave (lol, wut?) but the rest who would have were easy to talk into staying. I even had a string of 5* HBs in one dynasty where I had 5 5* HBs on my roster with one from each class - and NONE left early (99, 93, 89, 85, 81 OVR RS-SR to true FR). There is no way in prior years that I would have kept those players due to the depth chart and their OVRs. Oddly enough none even looked to transfer out...

[DorianDonP]

Re: What determines whether players leave early?

I'm almost positive it's based on the overalls of players. The game needs a certain amount of players to go in their "draft", and the high rated seniors fill up a good portion of the 1st round, so the high rated underclassman don't declare. The draft needs lower rated guys to fill out the 2nd-7th round, so lower rated underclassman end up declaring. I guess it's their way of making sure players with high ratings get drafted in the 1st round.

This is the test I did. Only tried it once, but it matches up with what I've seen in the 3 dynasties I've test-ran, and what I read on here.

I've been having the same issue as the OP. Seemed like none of the players that should declare were declaring. Clowney, Lee, Manziel never declared even after having monster seasons in my dynasties. I noticed that a lot of mid 80s players were declaring though.

Just about 10 mins ago I decided to do a test. End of the bowl season I simmed to players leaving and once again, none of the above 3 declared. I reloaded that dynasty file then went to the rosters and edited those players overalls to the mid to late 80s. I sim to the players declaring and sure enough, 2 of the 3 declared.

It seems the game has enough 1st rounders for the seniors, so they keep high rated underclassman from declaring. But they need lower rated guys to fill out the rest of the draft so that's why you'll see a 85 overall DE leave early while a 95 rated DE will stay.

So I think I'm going to edit the overalls right after bowl season from now on. I save the draft classes for Madden so I'll have to re-edit them when it's time to draft...but I would be doing that anyways so no harm.

[wtd03]

Re: What determines whether players leave early?

I think it has to do with the amount of seniors going in the draft. I had no underclassmen declare but had 12 seniors going 1st round

[ggsimmonds]

Re: What determines whether players leave early?

I'm almost positive it's based on the overalls of players. The game needs a certain amount of players to go in their "draft", and the high rated seniors fill up a good portion of the 1st round, so the high rated underclassman don't declare. The draft needs lower rated guys to fill out the 2nd-7th round, so lower rated underclassman end up declaring. I guess it's their way of making sure players with high ratings get drafted in the 1st round.

This is the test I did. Only tried it once, but it matches up with what I've seen in the 3 dynasties I've test-ran, and what I read on here.

What do you mean by having to reedit them when it is time to draft? As far as I know Madden does not have a edit draft class feature (though it badly needs one)