Madden NFL 25 Demo Available Now, Post Your Impressions (360, PS3)

[jmurphy31]

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Anyone seen the invisible players glitch yet?

I can take a video capture right now if not.

Yes, there is a whole thread discussing it.

[oathofsilence]

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Yes, there is a whole thread discussing it.

Ok, thanks for the reply

[Jet Sufferer]

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I've seen it, but not on every score. Seems to be more random.

Seen Rodgers do his belt celebration after throwing a TD, which only happens when he runs for a TD IRL.

That reminds me, when are we going to see the naked QB bootleg in the game? Is there any play that will work for that? Maybe the option? Anyone try that?

[RGiles36]

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This isn't the proper thread for this so i will keep it brief, I was in the NBA2k forum yesterday and read something that said they were adding like 3000 animations to NBA2k14. NFL football is the sport I love most and all I could think about is "why can't/won't Tiburon do something like that?".

I got a similar feeling, but more about the AI learning and adjusting. I've been dying for that to find it's way in Madden for five years now.

There were some good, timely, and authentic celebrations after scores or big plays. Kudos for that. Unfortunately, they still come in the form of cutscenes. They just can't let them go I guess. What they don't realize is that although the cutscenes may frame what they want to be emphasized for added dramatic effect (I guess) makes more problems than solutions. Without that organic feeling of watching the play and its aftermath truly unfold, you rob the viewer (player) of its emotional impact. You can't just go from a big hit, to black, then quickly to some celebration that is from a totally weird angle, all in the blink, then to another, then back, and not have it disorient.

All of this. The presentation is just demoralizing at this point, with M12 being the lone bright spot this entire generation. Most people don't care to go into that level of detail as you did, but props for taking time out to do that.

I'm just at a loss of words with the presentation this entire generation.

Honestly, I operate under the assumption that gameplay will get better & better over the years. I believe that.

But I wonder if there will ever be a full commitment to broadcast presentation. This half-hearted and stiched together version of a broadcast has been frustrating and exhausting. We barely have presentation options for pete's sake. Is Madden the only sports game where you can't toggle the amount of instant replays?

I really don't mean to sound like the evil GC. I've been waiting a long time for the presentation to rival what I enjoyed years ago in that other game, and save for M12, it never comes close .

[TeeDogg]

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This isn't the proper thread for this so i will keep it brief, I was in the NBA2k forum yesterday and read something that said they were adding like 3000 animations to NBA2k14. NFL football is the sport I love most and all I could think about is "why can't/won't Tiburon do something like that?". With all the talk of IE 2.0, foot planting, etc, how Madden plays still comes down to animations and a lack thereof. In going on 9 years I wonder how many animations in total exist in Madden 25 and it likely reflects my belief that Tiburon couldn't care less about making the game we want.

Funny thing is while playing the demo (360) I was thinking this was the first time I got the impression the animations had a 2K feel. In terms of variation and appropriate per situation. I'm sure its still nowhere near the same amount as 2K but it does feel like its starting to head that way.

[Armor and Sword]

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I got a similar feeling, but more about the AI learning and adjusting. I've been dying for that to find it's way in Madden for five years now.



All of this. The presentation is just demoralizing at this point, with M12 being the lone bright spot this entire generation. Most people don't care to go into that level of detail as you did, but props for taking time out to do that.

I'm just at a loss of words with the presentation this entire generation.

Honestly, I operate under the assumption that gameplay will get better & better over the years. I believe that.

But I wonder if there will ever be a full commitment to broadcast presentation. This half-hearted and stiched together version of a broadcast has been frustrating and exhausting. We barely have presentation options for pete's sake. Is Madden the only sports game where you can't toggle the amount of instant replays?

I really don't mean to sound like the evil GC. I've been waiting a long time for the presentation to rival what I enjoyed years ago in that other game, and save for M12, it never comes close .

Ok in regards to Madden 12 which is a game I really enjoy, other than the great camera angles between plays and great replays nothing about its other presentation is even average. The play by play was an abortion. The team entrances became stale after year one. Madden has never had top notch presentation.....including 12.

[RGiles36]

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Ok in regards to Madden 12 which is a game I really enjoy, other than the great camera angles between plays and great replays nothing about its other presentation is even average. The play by play was an abortion. The team entrances became stale after year one. Madden has never had top notch presentation.....including 12.

A conversation for another thread certainly, but we can't just say besides the great camera angles... -- the camera angles are a BIG deal . Some on this forum argued that those are the best cameras in a football game to date.

To make this relevant to the demo/impressions, it sticks out like a sore thumb to me that those angles have gone missing in M25. Football, at its core, can be a boring and methodical game. 3 yard runs and checkdowns aren't exciting, but the presentation keeps you engaged.

It's not so much that the presentation was top notch in M12 b/c it wasn't; but it marked the first time they put some real effort into presentation and for the first walk around the block, it was encouraging. With better commentary which was soon to come and some dynamic stat banners, they were on to something. They've undone a lot of that forward progress.

[slick589]

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The more I play the demo the more i like the feel of the game.

One thing that consistently kills my vibe though is the uninterruptible animations. Certain stiff arm animation and when a ball carrier is stumbling to the ground to be exact. Those are 2 situations where a defenders eyes light up and they get to go for that big hit that changes the tide of the game. However still in madden it just leads to unsatisfying invisible force field. We NEED real time physics bc these animations are not cutting it on the defensive side of the ball.

[slthree]

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As the Seahawks I lined up and the entire Packer Defense was invisible, all 11 guys. Ive seen 2 before but never 11.

This persisted for 2 plays and I took a delay of game and the team was back. Maybe that will work for others. Maybe it was coincidence

[ghettogeeksta]

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This reminds me of either M13 or M12 where EA advertised that they added over 100 new catching animations......Still waiting for a patch on that feature or maybe we'll see it on Next Gen with everything else we've been waiting for.

Well it's hard to show off all the catching animations when the ball is tethered to the receivers and no live ball physics. When Qb's can only throw the ball in a few spots triggering the same old catch animations.

Next-gen their needs to be way more points (a wider area) for the Qb to hit the receiver. This would be a good way to differentiate accuracy. Qb's like Manning and Brady would throw a lot of balls on target hitting receivers perfectly like they do now, while Qb's like Ponder and Newton would throw a lot of balls low, high, and behind the receiver triggering many more catch animations or catch attempts.

[Seth79]

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My receivers can burn right by CB's. All I have to do is change the route to run straight up field. This works every time when CB's are trying to jam my receiver.

I had this problem in madden 13 and tested it on the demo on all madden difficulty and it's still there. Anyone notice this and know if EA will address this? Slider adjustments really didnt help last year. The "fix" was to turn up interceptions to 100%. This just barely helped.

Any response would be awesome. Thanks!

[ghettogeeksta]

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I got a similar feeling, but more about the AI learning and adjusting. I've been dying for that to find it's way in Madden for five years now.



All of this. The presentation is just demoralizing at this point, with M12 being the lone bright spot this entire generation. Most people don't care to go into that level of detail as you did, but props for taking time out to do that.

I'm just at a loss of words with the presentation this entire generation.

Honestly, I operate under the assumption that gameplay will get better & better over the years. I believe that.

But I wonder if there will ever be a full commitment to broadcast presentation. This half-hearted and stiched together version of a broadcast has been frustrating and exhausting. We barely have presentation options for pete's sake. Is Madden the only sports game where you can't toggle the amount of instant replays?

I really don't mean to sound like the evil GC. I've been waiting a long time for the presentation to rival what I enjoyed years ago in that other game, and save for M12, it never comes close .

They have been touting this Human Like Intelligence for next-gen, it's one of the big features of the Ignite Engine so I guess they are going to back it up or they will catch heat from the media and public about this feature not delivering since it's one of the stand out features, but well see.

[celtics6]

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Why is it always wait until next year with EA? I swear they do this stuff purposely and it's all marketing. I play the show and there aren't these AI issues. NBA 2k13 also doesn't have nearly the AI issues either.

This has been my major complaint with EA football for the last 25 years. So I'm supposed to believe and applaud them for finally getting it when other games don't have these issues? What will be missing next?

::Golf clap::

[Formula1Racing]

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Played two games on the XBOX360. From what I can see, looks like they tighten the graphics and it runs smoother then M13.

So far I like it! I pre-ordered the PS4(MLB The Show reason) and Madden25 for it so I hope it is just as good or better for the new consoles.

[Ampking101]

Why is it always wait until next year with EA? I swear they do this stuff purposely and it's all marketing. I play the show and there aren't these AI issues. NBA 2k13 also doesn't have nearly the AI issues either.

This has been my major complaint with EA football for the last 25 years. So I'm supposed to believe and applaud them for finally getting it when other games don't have these issues? What will be missing next?

::Golf clap::

I think one of the things us fans forget (and even I am guilty for it). The game of football is a very different game than say Football (Soccer), Hockey, Basketball, and even Baseball. One thing all these other sports have in common (save for baseball) is that all the players do very similar things. Take basketball for example, yes you have different positions but is a Point Guard really all that different than a forward (this also kind of applies to soccer as well)? I'm not talking logistics, I'm talking about the fact that all of them technically have the same job, which is shooting and guarding the ball. The only real difference in the games are ratings. Now with soccer you have the goalie which has a slightly different job/mechanic which is solely to defend the goal (this is also similar to hockey).

Now with baseball it's a little closer comparison. You have an "offense and defense" on the field. The pitcher has one job, the batter has another, you have basemen, and outfielders (though those last two can basically be programed together). However not all of them are involved in every plays, you don't have a ton of different types of pitches (I'm not talking stylistically just program wise), and you only need a number of catch animations for both infielders and outfielders.

Now in football we have a number of jobs. We have the quarterback, we have the wide receivers and runningbacks, we have blockers, we have tightends and fullbacks (who double as multiple positions), we have defensive backs, we have rushers, and we have line backers who double as rushers and defensive backs. All of this on every play, while all being in view at all times, and having everyone do their job correctly.

All that to say, I think we are a little too harsh on EA and Tiburon. While I think that they could better than they have, we are all equating it the 2k football game. Well let's be honest 2k found the golden code when they were around, EA wasn't so lucky especially when it comes to current gen and it's not exactly like they can steal the code, and with only a year for development between each release, it makes it that much harder....

The PS3 invisible bug I equate to "not all games port equally" (as stated in an earlier post of mine).

The disappearing features from year to year IS suspect but with EA it seems to be a lose-lose. Countless years I've seen people complain that something isn't in the game, EA puts it in next year (albiet not always perfect), they get complaints all year about it, they take it out, same people complain it was taken out (search for QB Vision Cone for an example).

Sorry to kind of go of topic but I think we all forget these things. Do I still think EA is a bad company? Yes. Do I think they could do better? Definitely. Do I think they deserve as much of a hard time as we give them? Not quite cause looking at the demo of Madden 25 I can see that they are at least trying.

Now come Madden 16 (or 27 or whatever they call it) I'll revisit this post and hopefully I won't be disappointed in at least slightly defending them.