Accuracy Ratings Explained

[Jr.]

http://www.easports.com/madden-nfl/news-updates-gameplay/article/madden-25-qb-ratings

Saw this posted and couldn't believe what I was reading about Short/Medium/Deep accuracy ratings.

Our ratings have broken down Throw Accuracy (THA) into 3 categories: short, medium and deep. While Aaron Rodgers is very accurate throwing to all parts of the field, some quarterbacks are much more accurate on short throws than deep throws. Here’s the breakdown:
- Short Accuracy – rating is the accuracy percentage of the QB on throws under 20 yards.
- Medium Accuracy – rating is the accuracy percentage of the QB on throws of 20-40 yards.
- Deep Accuracy – rating is the accuracy percentage of the QB on throws greater than 40 yards.

I had to read this 2 or 3 times to really figure out what I was reading. EA really considers any throw up to 20 yards a "short" pass? Twenty to Forty yards is a "medium" pass?????

This is pretty disturbing to think that the developers actually consider a pass thrown 18 yards downfield is a short distance.

Before reading this, I always went with a guess that SAC was anything under 10 yards, MAC was 10-20/25 yards, and DAC was 25+ going off of common sense. In the words of the great Lloyd Christmas "I was way off!"

Silver lining, at least we're getting some explanation of how these ratings work, so now I know I really only have to worry about the SAC rating since 90% of my throws are under 20 yards.

[billsmetalbooze]

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you're right.

short should be to 10.

medium should be 10 to 20 or 25.

deep should be 25+, or 30+ in the air.

in reality, not that many passes travel 30 yards or more in the air. YAC inflates a lot of passes to suggest the QB is doing the work when it's not quite true.

[DeuceDouglas]

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I think if you think about the throws more so from where the QB throws the ball rather than from the line of scrimmage, it makes more sense because you take 5-10 yards away from those numbers.

[Jr.]

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I think if you think about the throws more so from where the QB throws the ball rather than from the line of scrimmage, it makes more sense because you take 5-10 yards away from those numbers.

Ah, interesting. I hadn't thought of it that way. I still think the numbers are a little off, but that does make more sense.

[DeuceDouglas]

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Ah, interesting. I hadn't thought of it that way. I still think the numbers are a little off, but that does make more sense.

Yeah, I think I would put short at about 15 yards. That way a 10 yard hitch would be right in that window. I think the Short Accuracy should definitely be the smallest of them all. My thinking would be 0-15 is Short, 15-40 is Medium, and 40+ is deep with the deep rating being what really separates a lot of the good QB's from the bad ones.

[TheBinnzer]

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i hope the line of scrimmage and yard markers have nothing to do with it. EI, if the QB throws a pass from the sideline side of the near hash to the sideline side of the far hash, 20 yards down field, that is NOT a 20 yard pass and it should not count as such.
Break out the geometry to find the hypotenuse of a right angle i think but you get what I am saying

[footballman53]

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a "10 yard hitch" to the WR based on these ratings would be a medium pass just about every time, its about 15-30 yards from the QB to the receiver to begin with then the QB drops back 5 and the receiver runs forward 10, about the only true short throws based on these ratings are going to be directly over the middle, quick slants, and dump offs to the back (or screens) most passes will fall into the middle range or low end of deep, and common sense would dictate that yes its calculated from where the QB stands and not from the original placement of the ball, doesn't mean its actually accurate though, common sense is an uncommon virtue

[purplerat]

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I did some test with QB accuracy a few weeks ago and I'm fairly sure the game uses linear distance from the QB to the receiver and not simply calculating the difference in yard markers. 10 yard hitch routes to the outside receiver were routinely registered as medium passes (i.e. MAC was used) and 10 yard out routes even more so. 10 yard hitches to slot receiver or TEs were more likely to be short passes as were in routes. Also how far back the QB dropped or whether he moved laterally towards or away from the receiver seemed to make a difference as well.

That's way after doing that test I started putting most of my CFM XP emphasis on MAC since it's the range most commonly used by my QBs.

[OhMrHanky]

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It's one thing to discuss linear yardage thrown and whatnot, but really, for pure simplicity sake, I have to assume madden is talking about a 20 yd completion. That is, 20 yds from scrimmage. I definitely disagree with the madden developers on this. There is so much difference in throwing a pass within 10 yds, and all other passes. If it were up to me, I would definitely say it should be short is 10 yds (from the line of scrimmage) this accounts for screens, slants, curls, anything that's going to be caught short of a first down. Ultimately, that's why 10 yds is such a better barometer for rating accuracy. Medium would be 10-30 IMO and accounts for the true middle field throws that are meant to pick up big yardage, but aren't outright bombs. Then 30+ for straight up fly patterns, bombs, and deep posts. It's just that simple. I hope EA can listen to some feedback on that score and try to implement that in the future. I was wondering why a high rated short acc passer with poor medium acc kept chewing up yardage on 15 yard routes.

[purplerat]

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It's one thing to discuss linear yardage thrown and whatnot, but really, for pure simplicity sake, I have to assume madden is talking about a 20 yd completion. That is, 20 yds from scrimmage. I definitely disagree with the madden developers on this. There is so much difference in throwing a pass within 10 yds, and all other passes. If it were up to me, I would definitely say it should be short is 10 yds (from the line of scrimmage) this accounts for screens, slants, curls, anything that's going to be caught short of a first down. Ultimately, that's why 10 yds is such a better barometer for rating accuracy. Medium would be 10-30 IMO and accounts for the true middle field throws that are meant to pick up big yardage, but aren't outright bombs. Then 30+ for straight up fly patterns, bombs, and deep posts. It's just that simple. I hope EA can listen to some feedback on that score and try to implement that in the future. I was wondering why a high rated short acc passer with poor medium acc kept chewing up yardage on 15 yard routes.

Well like I said, I tested this out and a 10 yard completion on an out route to an outside receiver certainly seemed to be registering as a medium pass not a short pass in terms of which accuracy was being used. I tested this by having a 2 QBs with identical ratings accept 1 had 85 SAC/5 MAC and the other 5 SAC/85 MAC. On a 10 yard out route to the sideline the QB with 85 MAC hit it regularly while the one with 5 SAC was atrocious. When it was an in route and I hit the receiver on the hash the results were flipped.

[gzenius]

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if deep is 40+ from scrimmage thats crazy.. acorrding to that article in madden rogers can complete 87% of those passes

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/73694/pass-atlas-a-map-of-where-nfl-quarterbacks-throw-the-ball

"It’s very rare for an NFL quarterback to complete a pass in which the intended receiver is standing more than 45 yards from the line of scrimmage. In fact, NFL quarterbacks only attempted 175 such throws during the entire regular season last year, and only 48 resulted in completions."

[purplerat]

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if deep is 40+ from scrimmage thats crazy.. acorrding to that article in madden rogers can complete 87% of those passes

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/73694/pass-atlas-a-map-of-where-nfl-quarterbacks-throw-the-ball

"It’s very rare for an NFL quarterback to complete a pass in which the intended receiver is standing more than 45 yards from the line of scrimmage. In fact, NFL quarterbacks only attempted 175 such throws during the entire regular season last year, and only 48 resulted in completions."

The EA article says 87% on target, not 87% completion which are two very different things when talking about deep balls and especially very deep balls. The deep the pass, the longer it's in the air, the more time defenders have to see and react to the ball (especially in Madden where user defenders have 360 degree vision) the less likely even an on target pass will be completed.

[footballman53]

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It's one thing to discuss linear yardage thrown and whatnot, but really, for pure simplicity sake, I have to assume madden is talking about a 20 yd completion. That is, 20 yds from scrimmage. I definitely disagree with the madden developers on this. There is so much difference in throwing a pass within 10 yds, and all other passes. If it were up to me, I would definitely say it should be short is 10 yds (from the line of scrimmage) this accounts for screens, slants, curls, anything that's going to be caught short of a first down. Ultimately, that's why 10 yds is such a better barometer for rating accuracy. Medium would be 10-30 IMO and accounts for the true middle field throws that are meant to pick up big yardage, but aren't outright bombs. Then 30+ for straight up fly patterns, bombs, and deep posts. It's just that simple. I hope EA can listen to some feedback on that score and try to implement that in the future. I was wondering why a high rated short acc passer with poor medium acc kept chewing up yardage on 15 yard routes.

making it simply the distance from LOS makes ZERO sense, you could have a QB scramble to the right sideline, throw back all the way to the left sideline 5 yards downfield and as long as his short acc is good its a perfect pass, a pass that happens to be around 50 yards long? in what world does that make any sense? the only logical way to do it is distance from where the QB is, the way that they have it now short accuracy is VERY short as it should be, a 10 yard hitch from an outside WR has never been a short route in the NFL, thats why Chad Pennington rarely threw them he didn't have the arm strength to get it out there without it being picked off, only routes over the middle should be short and screens, most other routes should be medium, with the bombs, post routes, and fades/fly routes being the TAD

[josefrees]

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1. Love how they act like all of the ratings aren't an absolute mystery
2. Why do I have to wait forever to figure out what anything does? And have extremely vague answers at that

[OhMrHanky]

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making it simply the distance from LOS makes ZERO sense, you could have a QB scramble to the right sideline, throw back all the way to the left sideline 5 yards downfield and as long as his short acc is good its a perfect pass, a pass that happens to be around 50 yards long? in what world does that make any sense? the only logical way to do it is distance from where the QB is, the way that they have it now short accuracy is VERY short as it should be, a 10 yard hitch from an outside WR has never been a short route in the NFL, thats why Chad Pennington rarely threw them he didn't have the arm strength to get it out there without it being picked off, only routes over the middle should be short and screens, most other routes should be medium, with the bombs, post routes, and fades/fly routes being the TAD

Haha, a part of my point was trying to make things EASIER for madden programmers who seem to struggle at times making physics happen. Absolutely, it SHOULD be linear distance, but I don't expect madden to figure that out, so I give them an 'out'. And, I'll give u a 10 yard hitch is right at the threshold of short/medium IMO. A 10 yd curl is definitely short IMO, but a hitch is a bit more distance from the QB, but I'm fine with that being short, and then seeing QB throwing power determine a completion. But, like I said, I'd be fine for madden to program it from LOS knowing that with a normal pocket situation, u add on 5-7 yds, so whatever, we're talking small differences. And u think 20 yds in the air is 'very short'? And, obviously, if u play silly football by scrambling out of the pocket to one sideline and throwing across the field to the other sideline, I don't care what your short, med, or deep ACC is, that's a pick 6, homeboy. Lol


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