OS - Press Row Podcast: Episode 37 - Madden NFL 25 Ratings with EA’s Donny Moore

[GiantBlue76]

Re: OS - Press Row Podcast: Episode 37 - Madden NFL 25 Ratings with EA’s Donny Moore

Let me ask, how much should ratings be based on stats? That's part of it I guess, but the majority of ratings are to showcase the player's abilities. If DPP worked correctly, it would be able to bump or dip players' abilities based on how they are currently playing, their health, state of mind, etc. However, just because a guy has a solid statistical year, it doesn't mean he can suddenly run faster, be more elusive or instantly get stronger.

These ratings may see a bump or dip as the ebb and flow of a series of games dictates, but the ratings should be determined by MANY factors outside of statistical results. For a lesson in ratings, Moore needs to look at what Dan from FBG did. Dan forgot more about player metrics than Donny will ever know in his entire life.

It was painful listening to him on the podcast not even know how to pronounce the names correctly for half the players he mentioned. It's embarrassing.

[splff3000]

Re: OS - Press Row Podcast: Episode 37 - Madden NFL 25 Ratings with EA’s Donny Moore

Is there anything new in this podcast that isn't in this one:

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...nny-moore.html

I started listening to the podcast and it was sounding like the interview he did with VSN about ratings so I stopped. I didn't really want to waste an hour listening to the same stuff, but if he mentions some things that are not mentioned in the VSN interview I'll go back and check it out.

[bmj2k7]

I wonder why Brady has a rating of 97 now, when nfl.com got a sneak peak at the ratings, brady and rodgers were tied at 98.

[StreetCarp]

Re: OS - Press Row Podcast: Episode 37 - Madden NFL 25 Ratings with EA’s Donny Moore

If he actually listened I would agree 100%, but he is the dictator.
Those are of his opinions, not basedcon stats 40 times or some base line formula.
I not the one to complain about stats but I see guys getting bumped for doing nothing then guys getting super bumped because of name or teams. Its bs.

I think you still don't get it. At the beginning of last season, RG3 was fairly rated in Madden and Wilson was very underrated. After a 2012 season in which they played about equally well, they should have fairly similar overalls. Players aren't rated relative to their previous rating.

[EAGLESFAN10]

Re: OS - Press Row Podcast: Episode 37 - Madden NFL 25 Ratings with EA’s Donny Moore

LMFAO that argument was too funny but at the end of the day. they BOTH only played 1 season

and really RG3 is going to be rayed like 97 anyway once you complete year 1 of your franchise soooo I don't see the point your trying to make

[tru11]

If he actually listened I would agree 100%, but he is the dictator.
Those are of his opinions, not basedcon stats 40 times or some base line formula.
I not the one to complain about stats but I see guys getting bumped for doing nothing then guys getting super bumped because of name or teams. Its bs.

im pretty sure wilson had a better game in that wildcard head to head match up with RG3.

im more suprised that keap has the best deepball accuracy in the game and pretty much all of them last year rookie QBs have a better deep ball then joe flacco lol.

[Gorilla Glass]

Re: OS - Press Row Podcast: Episode 37 - Madden NFL 25 Ratings with EA’s Donny Moore

im pretty sure wilson had a better game in that wildcard head to head match up with RG3.

im more suprised that keap has the best deepball accuracy in the game and pretty much all of them last year rookie QBs have a better deep ball then joe flacco lol.

It was 14-0 before RG3 got hurt...

You can find deep ball completion percentages over at profootball weekly...

[Gorilla Glass]

Re: OS - Press Row Podcast: Episode 37 - Madden NFL 25 Ratings with EA’s Donny Moore

I wonder why Brady has a rating of 97 now, when nfl.com got a sneak peak at the ratings, brady and rodgers were tied at 98.

I just want to know the method to his madness. Carlson Palmer is rated I believe 82. NFL Total Access reported that he won something like 9 games in three years, why is he still decent in Madden?

Certain names don't get dropped and I want to know why. Certain guys lose stats when they are injured and certain guys don't, why?

[msdm27]

Re: OS - Press Row Podcast: Episode 37 - Madden NFL 25 Ratings with EA’s Donny Moore

I just want to know the method to his madness. Carlson Palmer is rated I believe 82. NFL Total Access reported that he won something like 9 games in three years, why is he still decent in Madden?

Certain names don't get dropped and I want to know why. Certain guys lose stats when they are injured and certain guys don't, why?

Wins is not exactly the best method to rate a player..... Megatron should have been a 75OVR by that standard. L.Fitz should be quite low too.

And if the point is that wins/losses are usually attached to QB's... just because some people still use that as an argument, it doesn't make it right... muuuuuch more should go into accounting for ovr than w-l record.

That being said, 82 is way too high for CP..... In general, every player is rated too high in Madden.

[msdm27]

Re: OS - Press Row Podcast: Episode 37 - Madden NFL 25 Ratings with EA’s Donny Moore

And as someone has mentioned before.... updating ratings on a week to week basis is as absurd as it gets.

That's exactly what DPP is supposed to do!!!!

[Gorilla Glass]

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Wins is not exactly the best method to rate a player..... Megatron should have been a 75OVR by that standard. L.Fitz should be quite low too.

And if the point is that wins/losses are usually attached to QB's... just because some people still use that as an argument, it doesn't make it right... muuuuuch more should go into accounting for ovr than w-l record.

That being said, 82 is way too high for CP..... In general, every player is rated too high in Madden.

To my points. Donny is inconsistent. He rewards guy for certain things (wins) and other times he don't.

What's the method to his madness because his body of work is, has been very inconsistent and I don't see it changing.

What are you you using as a guage to the conclusion that everybody is overrated?

[N51_rob]

Re: OS - Press Row Podcast: Episode 37 - Madden NFL 25 Ratings with EA’s Donny Moore

Bigger issue for me is that Donny Moore is only concerned with overalls. So in order to achieve these mythical numbers (that only kids should really care about) he tweaks other ratings that actually effect game play (because remember folks overalls don't effect anything game play related). Since I've seen RGIII used I will use him as my example.

Simply put can anyone offer an explanation as to why Griffin's play action rating is 76 and Kirk Cousins' rating is 86? Not one that is based off what we saw on the field at least. Or why Kirk Cousins (who is more mobile that Sexy Rexy) has the same throw on the run rating as Grossman? Grossman can't actually throw on the run at all. Lastly how on earth does Rex Grossman have a higher awareness rating than Both Griffin and Cousins. Whatever "logic" Donny Moore uses for these ratings is flawed, because all he is really trying to do it get his overalls in line with his personal opinion about these players and teams.

Bottom line the only way the ratings get better is if EA scraps the overall rating completely. Go with a letter grade or something for that.

[friscob]

Re: OS - Press Row Podcast: Episode 37 - Madden NFL 25 Ratings with EA’s Donny Moore

Think the ovr rating only comes into play on the CPU depth chart positioning and for draft ranking purposes. Other than that it's just a thing for NFL players to feel proud about as if it's some sort of honor and NFL fans to argue about b/c their favorite player is being disrespected

Think franchise and Dynasty modes would be a lot more interesting w/out ovr ratings. You would just have to evaluate each individual skill rating to decide if they're a good fit for your team.

[Gorilla Glass]

Re: OS - Press Row Podcast: Episode 37 - Madden NFL 25 Ratings with EA’s Donny Moore

Bigger issue for me is that Donny Moore is only concerned with overalls. So in order to achieve these mythical numbers (that only kids should really care about) he tweaks other ratings that actually effect game play (because remember folks overalls don't effect anything game play related). Since I've seen RGIII used I will use him as my example.

Simply put can anyone offer an explanation as to why Griffin's play action rating is 76 and Kirk Cousins' rating is 86? Not one that is based off what we saw on the field at least. Or why Kirk Cousins (who is more mobile that Sexy Rexy) has the same throw on the run rating as Grossman? Grossman can't actually throw on the run at all. Lastly how on earth does Rex Grossman have a higher awareness rating than Both Griffin and Cousins. Whatever "logic" Donny Moore uses for these ratings is flawed, because all he is really trying to do it get his overalls in line with his personal opinion about these players and teams.

Bottom line the only way the ratings get better is if EA scraps the overall rating completely. Go with a letter grade or something for that.

And this is what I'm talking about right here...

This really confuses me. There were games were RG3 wasn't given ANY increase in ratings, while other rookies got increases for doing less. I don't get it.

[N51_rob]

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Think franchise and Dynasty modes would be a lot more interesting w/out ovr ratings. You would just have to evaluate each individual skill rating to decide if they're a good fit for your team.

Could not agree more with this. I know that in the better madden leagues no one really used them or even posts about them in trade block threads.