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  • Bobhead
    Pro
    • Mar 2011
    • 4926

    #1

    Intentional Walks with the Bases Loaded

    There's a part of my brain that does nothing at all but create random and ridiculous hypotheticals and "what-if" scenarios. It's probably a sign I need help. Whatever. One of those weird scenarios buzzing through my head is a bases-loaded intentional walk. I've wondered about it for years, and I actually did it for the first time about a month ago, in The Show.

    It didn't even really click with me to think about it at all... but then the other day the Mets in real life had a game against the Braves where the bases were loaded, and Wheeler had just exited the game... in my head I'm thinking I'd probably just give an intentional walk to Andrelton Simmons after he fouls off like 7 pitches in a row. Of course they did no such thing, and Simmons proceeds to empty the bases with a hit down the line.

    So it made me think back to this question, and at this time I remembered my experience in The Show.

    The situation: I'm the Mets, my opponent is the Detroit Tigers. The score is 4-1, there is one out and there are runners on second and third. It's the bottom of the 7th inning, I'm pitching with some random bullpen guy, and Miguel Cabrera is at the plate... Score is 4-1.

    I throw a couple pitches just outside the zone, and he doesn't bite, and at this point I start weighing my options. He's the tying run, and giving up a home run is definitely the worst case scenario here. A walk is hardly a big deal, since I'm pretty good at inducing a double play. So I throw a backdoor curveball, and it's called a ball.

    Uh oh.

    Then I start thinking ahead. Pitching to Prince Fielder isn't really better than pitching to Miguel Cabrera... but how much of a threat is Victor Martinez, really?

    So there I go. I didn't even want to risk accidentally throwing a strike, so I pitchout for ball 4. Bases are now loaded, and Prince Fielder comes up, and I throw some breaking balls low to see if he chases. He doesn't, so I just give him the intentional walk and eat the run.

    It's 4-2 now, and Vic Martinez comes up to the plate. First pitch, hard grounder straight to the second baseman for an easy double play, inning over.

    I can't help but think about all the different ways that inning could have gone wrong if I had challenged either Cabrera or Fielder (or both). As crazy as it is, I think this was a situation where an intentional walk with the bases loaded was actually the right move.

    Have you ever walked anyone with the bases loaded?
    If not, what's the craziest strategic decision you've ever made?



    (And has this ever happened in real life?)
  • G3no_11
    MVP
    • Oct 2012
    • 1110

    #2
    Re: Intentional Walks with the Bases Loaded

    This is from Wikipedia, thought it was interesting:

    In the history of Major League Baseball, six players have been issued intentional walks with the bases loaded. This is only done in the rarest of cases, typically when the pitching team is leading by four runs or less late in the game and a particularly feared hitter is at the plate. The six players given such passes are Abner Dalrymple (1881), Nap Lajoie (1901), Del Bissonette (1928), Bill Nicholson (1944), Barry Bonds (1998), and Josh Hamilton (2008). In all six cases, the pitching team went on to win the game.

    I actually would've thought this would happen more often. Only 6 times in the history of Major League Baseball? That is extremely rare.
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    • Steven78
      Banned
      • Apr 2013
      • 7240

      #3
      Re: Intentional Walks with the Bases Loaded

      Just because it worked doesn't mean it was the best decision. I would have went after Prince personally. By walking Prince you put the winning run on first and the tying run in scoring position. Glad it worked out for you though.

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      • sydrogerdavid
        MVP
        • May 2009
        • 3109

        #4
        Re: Intentional Walks with the Bases Loaded

        What did Vasgersian and company say about you walking the bases loaded?

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        • chrishthomas
          Rookie
          • Mar 2011
          • 205

          #5
          Re: Intentional Walks with the Bases Loaded

          Originally posted by Steven78
          Just because it worked doesn't mean it was the best decision. I would have went after Prince personally. By walking Prince you put the winning run on first and the tying run in scoring position. Glad it worked out for you though.
          Yeah, but since it was Prince, as Karros would say, "the winning run was in scoring position when he stepped into the batter's box."

          Bold move, Bob. I've never done it, but I can thing back to several scenarios where I refused to give in even after a batter managed to foul off every tough pitch in the zone, and magically lay off of every pitch outside the zone even when they were incredibly close. So, on the 10th, 11th, or 12th pitch of the at bat, I miss with location and the guy comes up with a single to score two, a double to clear the bases, or worse yet a grand slam.

          Then the next guy strikes out or hits a weak grounder that would have gotten me out of the inning. In retrospect, eating the single run on a walk, and taking my chances with the guy on deck may have worked out better. Too bad I'll never know for sure.

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          • HouseKeepinItReal
            Banned
            • Apr 2012
            • 238

            #6
            Re: Intentional Walks with the Bases Loaded

            In my franchise in 12 my closer Brandon league was having trouble closing games and blew 2 of three last save attempts his confidence was way Down and so I waited till he was fully rested and his next appearance I had him start a game in which he went two innings and six staight outs after which the scheduled starter went on to complete the shutout and btandon league,s confidence sky rocketed and when on to complete the rest of his saves
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            • Knight165
              *ll St*r
              • Feb 2003
              • 24964

              #7
              Re: Intentional Walks with the Bases Loaded

              I did it a couple of years ago in a 2000 Season Replay.
              Jeff Bagwell.
              It was the first and only time I've ever done that.
              It felt odd.

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              • Bobhead
                Pro
                • Mar 2011
                • 4926

                #8
                Re: Intentional Walks with the Bases Loaded

                Originally posted by Steven78
                Just because it worked doesn't mean it was the best decision. I would have went after Prince personally. By walking Prince you put the winning run on first and the tying run in scoring position. Glad it worked out for you though.
                There isn't really any objective way to determine whether it was the best decision though. Until Albert Einstein (or nomo?) comes in here and posts a ridiculously complex formula to determine the runners' respective chances of scoring (factoring in both Fielder's and Martinez' offensive ability), in both situations, opinions are all we got.

                It's kinda like the bunting debate. There isn't really much evidence to support either side of the argument.

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                • Bobhead
                  Pro
                  • Mar 2011
                  • 4926

                  #9
                  Re: Intentional Walks with the Bases Loaded

                  Originally posted by sydrogerdavid
                  What did Vasgersian and company say about you walking the bases loaded?
                  He had some incredulous response when I threw a pitchout for ball 4. "An intentional walk with the bases loaded? HOw often do you see that?" Or something like that.

                  Originally posted by chrishthomas
                  Yeah, but since it was Prince, as Karros would say, "the winning run was in scoring position when he stepped into the batter's box."

                  Bold move, Bob. I've never done it, but I can thing back to several scenarios where I refused to give in even after a batter managed to foul off every tough pitch in the zone, and magically lay off of every pitch outside the zone even when they were incredibly close. So, on the 10th, 11th, or 12th pitch of the at bat, I miss with location and the guy comes up with a single to score two, a double to clear the bases, or worse yet a grand slam.

                  Then the next guy strikes out or hits a weak grounder that would have gotten me out of the inning. In retrospect, eating the single run on a walk, and taking my chances with the guy on deck may have worked out better. Too bad I'll never know for sure.
                  Yeah I'll never know for sure either. But it was fun getting to add my own strategy to the game! And I won the game!


                  Originally posted by HouseKeepinItReal
                  In my franchise in 12 my closer Brandon league was having trouble closing games and blew 2 of three last save attempts his confidence was way Down and so I waited till he was fully rested and his next appearance I had him start a game in which he went two innings and six staight outs after which the scheduled starter went on to complete the shutout and btandon league,s confidence sky rocketed and when on to complete the rest of his saves
                  '
                  Ha that's pretty genius. I had a closer with shot confidence a few years ago and I ended up in a blowout game one day so I just kinda threw the closer in there just for the sake of trying to raise the confidence. It wasn't planned at all though, I've never thought about intentionally bringing out a slumping pitcher to start the game.pitching. It wasn't really a planned move or anything though, and I've never thought about starting with them like you did. I'll have to try that.

                  Originally posted by Knight165
                  I did it a couple of years ago in a 2000 Season Replay.
                  Jeff Bagwell.
                  It was the first and only time I've ever done that.
                  It felt odd.

                  M.K.
                  Knight165
                  Yeah it felt really weird when I did that. The whole time I was asking myself "Did I really just do this?" "What if the next guy just gets a hit anyway?"

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                  • dingleberryfinn
                    Banned
                    • May 2010
                    • 1736

                    #10
                    Re: Intentional Walks with the Bases Loaded

                    I personally could never do it.
                    You can't play "skeered".

                    It's also like the lottery,
                    you can;t win if you don't play.

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                    • 1stpitchhacker
                      Banned
                      • Jul 2013
                      • 193

                      #11
                      Re: Intentional Walks with the Bases Loaded

                      Props. It takes balls to do what you did in my opinion.

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                      • Jimbo614
                        Rookie
                        • Jan 2005
                        • 353

                        #12
                        Re: Intentional Walks with the Bases Loaded

                        I'm kinda in the Dingleberry camp. You gotta have confidence in your pitchers.
                        How far did your PCI drop after that decision?
                        Because you're basically telling your pitcher that you don't believe he can get Fielder out. That's not a good thing in the long run.

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                        • Perfect Zero
                          1B, OF
                          • Jun 2005
                          • 4012

                          #13
                          Re: Intentional Walks with the Bases Loaded

                          In that situation, I would say that you made the bold move. I don't know what the right move was, but taking the bat out of Fielder's hands prevented up to three possible runs. Then again, you never know what any hitter will do in a given situation.
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                          • Bobhead
                            Pro
                            • Mar 2011
                            • 4926

                            #14
                            Re: Intentional Walks with the Bases Loaded

                            Originally posted by Jimbo614
                            I'm kinda in the Dingleberry camp. You gotta have confidence in your pitchers.
                            How far did your PCI drop after that decision?
                            Because you're basically telling your pitcher that you don't believe he can get Fielder out. That's not a good thing in the long run.
                            But doesn't that argument apply to ANY intentional walk, ever?
                            I mean it seems like you are not in favor of ever walking someone.

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                            • KBLover
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 12172

                              #15
                              Re: Intentional Walks with the Bases Loaded

                              Originally posted by Bobhead
                              Have you ever walked anyone with the bases loaded?
                              If not, what's the craziest strategic decision you've ever made?

                              I don't know if this qualifies as crazy or stupid, but I sac bunted with Harper once in my Nats franchise because we had hit into 5 DPs in the game and needed just one run.

                              While Harper probably would have come through, he had one of those DPs, so I did it (I was surprised it worked, honestly) and then Laroche drove in the run (he went 4-for-4)
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