A very ambitious project...might need some pointers.

[KomicJ]

Hey guys...

For the past couple of days, I started working on an All-Time roster (focussing mainly on 80/90/00's). I know there are some available in the vault already, but none of them seems to be franchise-friendly for many reasons;

- Most players are rated pretty high, 90 overall or above.
- Created players are often 18-20 years old.
- There's usually duplicates (ie. Bonds in PIT, SF).

So what I want to do is create a set with no duplicates, where all the players' age would be relative (ie. players born between 1950-1955 would be x years old, players between 1955-1960 would be y, etc...) and ratings based on their career stats, but again, relative to each others (so that you would have a bigger difference in overalls, eventhough they're all gonna be good/stars players).

Finally, I'm also aiming at a 90-man roster per teams...might have a few blanks, but want at least the majors and triple-A full. I think it can be done, though it might take me a LONG time to do it, but I don't mind. The idea is to create a set I would enjoy for a couple of years anyway. I also want to add a couple of legends from 70's or before, which would probably be placed in Class-A so that people can use them if they want to. Main roster should be 80's or above.

Now here's my questions;

- It's the first time I've ever try to do something like that for a baseball game (I'm much more familiar with NHL roster making) and could use some pointers as to which stats are used for which attributes in the game. Also, I think I've heard about calculators already available somewhere, if someone could link me to them (if they're available to the masses), that would be great. I have a pretty good idea for most of them, but wanna make sure my base is solid before I start doing the work.

- What's the "policy" regarding the use of players from the Vault, or already in Roster Sets ? Is it preferable to contact the creator before using, or is it okay to, as long as credit is given ? Thought that might save me some time on faces...

- I'm away right now, so can't check...but is it possible to edit the default players' age in the game ?

Now, don't hold your breathe if you're interested in this project, as it will probably take me a LONG time (I'm talking months probably). Like I said, the idea is to create a roster I would enjoy for a couple of years, so I'm in no rush and want to do it right.

Thanks for the inputs !

[MauerMorneau09]

Re: A very ambitious project...might need some pointers.

Hey guys...

For the past couple of days, I started working on an All-Time roster (focussing mainly on 80/90/00's). I know there are some available in the vault already, but none of them seems to be franchise-friendly for many reasons;

- Most players are rated pretty high, 90 overall or above.
- Created players are often 18-20 years old.
- There's usually duplicates (ie. Bonds in PIT, SF).

So what I want to do is create a set with no duplicates, where all the players' age would be relative (ie. players born between 1950-1955 would be x years old, players between 1955-1960 would be y, etc...) and ratings based on their career stats, but again, relative to each others (so that you would have a bigger difference in overalls, eventhough they're all gonna be good/stars players).

Finally, I'm also aiming at a 90-man roster per teams...might have a few blanks, but want at least the majors and triple-A full. I think it can be done, though it might take me a LONG time to do it, but I don't mind. The idea is to create a set I would enjoy for a couple of years anyway. I also want to add a couple of legends from 70's or before, which would probably be placed in Class-A so that people can use them if they want to. Main roster should be 80's or above.

Now here's my questions;

- It's the first time I've ever try to do something like that for a baseball game (I'm much more familiar with NHL roster making) and could use some pointers as to which stats are used for which attributes in the game. Also, I think I've heard about calculators already available somewhere, if someone could link me to them (if they're available to the masses), that would be great. I have a pretty good idea for most of them, but wanna make sure my base is solid before I start doing the work.

- What's the "policy" regarding the use of players from the Vault, or already in Roster Sets ? Is it preferable to contact the creator before using, or is it okay to, as long as credit is given ? Thought that might save me some time on faces...

- I'm away right now, so can't check...but is it possible to edit the default players' age in the game ?

Now, don't hold your breathe if you're interested in this project, as it will probably take me a LONG time (I'm talking months probably). Like I said, the idea is to create a roster I would enjoy for a couple of years, so I'm in no rush and want to do it right.

Thanks for the inputs !

1. Use any of the calculators in this thread, I think they would all be really good. Some basic rating meanings are like this. Plate Vision is the amount you strikeout. Plate Discipline is basically how much you walk. The right & left contact and power is their average and power against the respective pitchers.
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ulator-14.html
2. Yea it would probably be best to contact the creators just to make sure, unless you find a way to give them credit otherwise.
3. You can edit the default created players' ages, but you can't edit the SCEA players' ages.

[Knight165]

Re: A very ambitious project...might need some pointers.

On contacting the creators of players/rosters....

Players in the Vault....I say they are pretty much up for grabs...
If you are taking players from rosters.....maybe a courtesy contact.
If you are going to use any of mine
(I have a 1949 and 1973 POST SEASON set in the vault right now and soon will have a 1984).....be my guest.
That's what they are there for...to use and enjoy!

M.K.
Knight165

[KomicJ]

Re: A very ambitious project...might need some pointers.

Thanks guys !

Knight, I'd be more than happy to use your players, as your stuff is top-notch. But I'm mostly focussing on 85-13 for this set. I have a couple of legends though, and will let you know if I borrow some of yours. Thanks for the offer...

[Knight165]

Re: A very ambitious project...might need some pointers.

Thanks guys !

Knight, I'd be more than happy to use your players, as your stuff is top-notch. But I'm mostly focussing on 85-13 for this set. I have a couple of legends though, and will let you know if I borrow some of yours. Thanks for the offer...

You're welcome....

There will be quite a few from the '84 set for you.
They are coming along nicely as well. The set will be out next weekend.
It will have the post season teams
-Mets
-Cubs
-Cards
-Padres
-Tigers
-Blue Jays
-Angels
-Royals

M.K.
Knight165

[DieHardTheHunter]

Re: A very ambitious project...might need some pointers.

for age I would consider splitting players into three groups
group one use the players age of the first year he was with the team
group two use the players age of the last year he was with the team
group three use the players age of his peak WAR year, I use baseball reference for that

[KomicJ]

Re: A very ambitious project...might need some pointers.

for age I would consider splitting players into three groups
group one use the players age of the first year he was with the team
group two use the players age of the last year he was with the team
group three use the players age of his peak WAR year, I use baseball reference for that

I though about using the peak year for age, but I also want to keep a certain realism, for lack of better words. Ie. I'd want Mike Piazza to be older than say Russell Martin on the team, which might not happen if I used peak years.

So what I'll do is something like that, where all the age would be relative according to their birth year:

1993-95: 18yo
1991-93: 19yo
1988-90: 20yo
1985-87: 21yo
1982-84: 22yo
1979-80: 23yo
1976-78: 24yo
(...)

That seems to be the best way to make sure the older era players would be older in age, and eventually slowly declining in game to make room for the players of today.

UPDATE
I'm finally done compiling all the players that could be in the set (been on that for 10 days). All I'm missing is the pitchers, but all positions are done (1458 position players). Now, I'm in the process of assigning these players to teams, and selecting who does/n't make the cut, so that there won't be any duplicates. I'm facing a couple of tough calls for that, and if you feel like pitching in, any input would be appreciated.

I'm doing the catchers right now...

Mike Piazza: I'm leaning towards placing him with the LAD, as his WAR and overall stats per year seemed a lot better. But he did play more games with NYM, and the LAD have more depth at C than NYM (Mike Scioscia would then be the LAD starter, with Russell Martin as backup). On the other hand, placing Piazza with LAD would leave NYM with Todd Hundley as starter, and probably Mackey Sasser as backup. Would you say Piazza's time in LA is that much more valuable than his time in NY ?

Carlton Fisk: Personally, I've only known him with CWS, so I'm kinda biased. But I know he's also an important part of BOS history. I have him as the CWS starter right now, with Pierzynski as backup, while the Sox have Varitek, backed by Saltalamacchia. Would you say both options are as good, or does Fisk belong in BOS, no matter what ?

B.J. Surhoff: I'm torn between using him at C with the Brewers, or as an OF with the Orioles. Putting him in BAL would probably mean having Lucroy as a starter in MIL.

[KomicJ]

Re: A very ambitious project...might need some pointers.

Quick question: I'm working on the pitchers right now, and just noticed that FanGraph and Baseball-Reference both had differences in WARs. They seem to calculate it differently...is there one more reliable than the other ?

[Knight165]

Re: A very ambitious project...might need some pointers.

I though about using the peak year for age, but I also want to keep a certain realism, for lack of better words. Ie. I'd want Mike Piazza to be older than say Russell Martin on the team, which might not happen if I used peak years.

So what I'll do is something like that, where all the age would be relative according to their birth year:

1993-95: 18yo
1991-93: 19yo
1988-90: 20yo
1985-87: 21yo
1982-84: 22yo
1979-80: 23yo
1976-78: 24yo
(...)

That seems to be the best way to make sure the older era players would be older in age, and eventually slowly declining in game to make room for the players of today.

UPDATE
I'm finally done compiling all the players that could be in the set (been on that for 10 days). All I'm missing is the pitchers, but all positions are done (1458 position players). Now, I'm in the process of assigning these players to teams, and selecting who does/n't make the cut, so that there won't be any duplicates. I'm facing a couple of tough calls for that, and if you feel like pitching in, any input would be appreciated.

I'm doing the catchers right now...

Mike Piazza: I'm leaning towards placing him with the LAD, as his WAR and overall stats per year seemed a lot better. But he did play more games with NYM, and the LAD have more depth at C than NYM (Mike Scioscia would then be the LAD starter, with Russell Martin as backup). On the other hand, placing Piazza with LAD would leave NYM with Todd Hundley as starter, and probably Mackey Sasser as backup. Would you say Piazza's time in LA is that much more valuable than his time in NY ?

Carlton Fisk: Personally, I've only known him with CWS, so I'm kinda biased. But I know he's also an important part of BOS history. I have him as the CWS starter right now, with Pierzynski as backup, while the Sox have Varitek, backed by Saltalamacchia. Would you say both options are as good, or does Fisk belong in BOS, no matter what ?

B.J. Surhoff: I'm torn between using him at C with the Brewers, or as an OF with the Orioles. Putting him in BAL would probably mean having Lucroy as a starter in MIL.

JMO

Piazza....Met. He's going into the Hall as a Met and his emotional and historic HR after 9/11 makes him a N.Y. God.

Fisk....Boston. I'm a 70's kid(born in '65) and his HR with Boston is one of the most memorable in baseball history.

Surhoff.....Baltimore...He's just an O' IMO.....you could always use Porter(he's on St. Louis in my '84 set) or Ted Simmons for Milwaukee.

Oh...and don't use WAR....use your head and gut. WAR had everyone thinking the Blue Jays would be unstoppable in the AL East this year and David Ortiz was finished



M.K.
Knight165

[DieHardTheHunter]

Re: A very ambitious project...might need some pointers.

I wouldn't rely on anyone stat, but using WAR in conjunction with other stats
can be helpful

[SupremeYankee]

Re: A very ambitious project...might need some pointers.

i love you guys for all the work you put into these rosters, no joking its amazing the added value that they give the game.

[KomicJ]

Re: A very ambitious project...might need some pointers.

JMO

Piazza....Met. He's going into the Hall as a Met and his emotional and historic HR after 9/11 makes him a N.Y. God.

Fisk....Boston. I'm a 70's kid(born in '65) and his HR with Boston is one of the most memorable in baseball history.

Surhoff.....Baltimore...He's just an O' IMO.....you could always use Porter(he's on St. Louis in my '84 set) or Ted Simmons for Milwaukee.

Oh...and don't use WAR....use your head and gut. WAR had everyone thinking the Blue Jays would be unstoppable in the AL East this year and David Ortiz was finished



M.K.
Knight165

Thing is, being from Montreal, I kinda lost interest in baseball when the Expos moved to Washington, and only recently went back into it...so there's a gap between '04 and '11 that I know very little about.

Plus, well Montreal being what it is, even back when the Expos were in town, there was very little room for anything else than the Montreal Canadiens on TV. Baseball news would usually be found after hockey, football, soccer, boxing, etc. Now that the Expos are gone, we're lucky if we get more than 5 minutes of coverage on the entire MLB, and more than 4 Jays game per month.

But going through the lists on FanGraphs, I seem to remember most names prior to '04, and The Show helped me for the guys of today.

(Oh the irony, as I'm typing this, RDS is showing BOS/LAD tonight...sweet !)

I wouldn't rely on anyone stat, but using WAR in conjunction with other stats
can be helpful

Yeah, that's basically what I'm doing. I'm mostly using WAR to quickly find the players worthy of being in the set (that, and memory).

[KomicJ]

Re: A very ambitious project...might need some pointers.

Guys, I'm a bit worried that I might have taken more than I can chew. I'm pretty new to the game in general, and although, I don't really mind doing the work, I'm not even sure what I'm trying to achieve can be done, which is to make this set 100% franchise "logic"...so maybe you can give me some input here (maybe I should've asked/tested before doing all the work I've done so far).

I'm in the process of completely rebuilding my selection sheet, with a new improved way to sort all the players I have. I've also looked at possible stats/formulas I could use, and I think I can come up with something good for most of them. Roster making isn't a problem usually for me (at least, not in games like NHL or Madden), but this one...WOW !

Now here are my problems;

a) I'm gonna have to re-create a good chunk of SCEA, just so I can change the players age. That's a huge pain in the ****, but hey...if I want players like Jered Weaver to be younger than say Frank Tanana, I guess I have no choice.

b) Thought the best way to start would be by cleaning every single team, and start from scratch. So I created a blank player, for every position, and imported them over every single player in the roster, so that each team would be empty, and have the same amount of players per position to begin (20 SP, 18 RP, 3 CP, 7 C, and 6 players for each of the remaining position, for a total of 90).

Two problems here; every player did come out with A-potential, and are considered as "rookies". Is there an easy way to prevent this that I might've missed somewhere ? Or do I have to use/edit the generic SCEA players (finding ones that are/n't rookies and have the appropriate potential for the single player I'm creating) instead ?

If that's the only way, how can I make sure the ceilling of that player is about the same as the one I had in mind for the players I'm gonna overwrite him with (I know you can sort by potential to give you an idea of which player has the best potential, but that still doesn't give the ceiling value, just compares to the other players on the team).

Finally (and I'm pretty sure the answer is no on both those issues), is there an easy way to set the MLB options of a created player, along with his contract (both salary and lenght) or does the same scheme apply (finding a SCEA generic player that has something close, and edit from there).

I love this game...but working on this roster REALLY makes you appreciate the work you guys have been doing for years ! If there's one area SC has to improve upon, it's definately the creation/roster management aspect of the game, which seems to be years behind any other sports title at this point (no create-a-team, lack of features in create-a-player, etc...)

[Knight165]

Re: A very ambitious project...might need some pointers.

Komic...


It's not impossible, but it is a big undertaking.

Here is my advice...

-Start by filling the 25 man rosters for each team first. This way you get to play some practice games and keep yourself motivated in moving towards the finish.
-Then fill in the teams to 50 and then maybe the final full 90.

-Lay out each team and what players you want for each squad. You can do the full 90 for this at this point. Figure out their potentials. It's the only important thing. Get a number for each.
--Export a position player and a pitcher of each letter potential(NOT for each position...it can be all catchers...an A/B/C/D Same for pitchers...for this use a SP and a RP....it's just easier.
-Now import players in according to the letter potentials you need until the squad represents what you want in terms of potential.
SAVE
-Now you can begin to edit...and you cannot rid the Rookie label as you cannot edit service time(there are some editable service time players available...but they are D/C potential....it's not worth it)

That's a start for you at least.

Good luck.

M.K.
Knight165

[KomicJ]

Re: A very ambitious project...might need some pointers.

Komic...


It's not impossible, but it is a big undertaking.

Here is my advice...

-Start by filling the 25 man rosters for each team first. This way you get to play some practice games and keep yourself motivated in moving towards the finish.
-Then fill in the teams to 50 and then maybe the final full 90.

-Lay out each team and what players you want for each squad. You can do the full 90 for this at this point. Figure out their potentials. It's the only important thing. Get a number for each.
--Export a position player and a pitcher of each letter potential(NOT for each position...it can be all catchers...an A/B/C/D Same for pitchers...for this use a SP and a RP....it's just easier.
-Now import players in according to the letter potentials you need until the squad represents what you want in terms of potential.
SAVE
-Now you can begin to edit...and you cannot rid the Rookie label as you cannot edit service time(there are some editable service time players available...but they are D/C potential....it's not worth it)

That's a start for you at least.

Good luck.

M.K.
Knight165

Perfect, that's pretty much what I was planning to do (fill the 25-man roster first, then AAA, and so on).

Now, just to make sure, you're saying any A/B/C/D potential player will do, as long as I have "base" for one of each ? Cause I was under the impression that players could/would have different ceilling from one to another, even if their potential letter is the same (or what's being refered to as A+, A, A-).

Aside from that, I think I'm good to go, and back working on my list. Thanks again Knight, really appreciated !