OS Roundtable: Does Live Stand a Chance?

[Behindshadows]

Re: OS Roundtable: Does Live Stand a Chance?

You are absolutely right, life is about choices and EA took that away from us when they bought the rights to football. People are tired of water down products with no effort but to make a buck. I don't think you get it. It's not about some picking sides and don't want Live to succeed. This is mainly about the quality of product that one puts out. People use 2K in comparison to EA for that same reason. So when you hear someone acknowledging 2K Sports, it's not for 2k it's about what they do or have done. We all have a right to voice our opinion and let our voices be herd. After all it's our right and choice as buyers.
When you decide to represent all in which EA chose to do when it bought the rights to football, then this is exactly what you subject yourself to and it's fair critisicum

oh boo hoo

cry me a river!!! The NFL License has nothing to do with all the other titles they released. And the subject is Live, not NFL....Your hatred for one companies business decision is just mediocre and stupid...

It's been 9 years and people want to rip EA for everything they've done for the loss of one 2k title...gtfo...

They didn't buy NCAA, where's college hoops...

They didn't buy NHL, where 2k hockey...

They loss the MLB, 2k baseball is poo x2

There are other sports, even Konami pushes out PES each year with not license for FIFA, but hey it's completely editable to have the real players and teams.

2k loses a license and creates All Pro Football and limits out any way to edit into a NFL game.

Backbreaker comes out and is edited into a NFL game. (Contradictory circumstances)

get over yourself and trying to hate every title they make for one exclusive license....

Back on Topic..

there is a chance for Live as there would be for Sony, if they revamped Shootout and bring it back....I said Shootout not NBA The Inside..that was trash...

Konami can return Inside Drive and I'd buy that...

[Skopin]

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Hilarious

Better?

The last game I edited was live 10 and it was atrocious. Derek Fisher having an 87 in defensive recovery was one awful example. As soon as you pump faked a guy he would immediately slide back in front of you when you drove while he was in the air.

How about when the CPU would do the sideways footslide all the way down the court full speed while you're on a break? That defies physics

That's just 2 examples and trust me I remember very well

2k's defense or lack of is clearly an issue, but its like people have forgotten about NBA lives areas of lack, and there were ALOT of them.

I never said Live didn't have issues. But 2k has those exact same two issues, even in 2k13. Speed means nothing in NBA 2k; there are several videos posted showing examples. And defenders warp back into place after pump fakes all the time in 2k13.

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I never said Live didn't have issues. But 2k has those exact same two issues, even in 2k13. Speed means nothing in NBA 2k; there are several videos posted showing examples. And defenders warp back into place after pump fakes all the time in 2k13.

What does 2k have to do with the outlandishness of NBA Live. If you want to go on about issues this series is far and beyond anything 2k has right now. Its so far off the game hasn't released in years.

Im not into the fanboy games because Id rather have all 6 games back on the market, but its apparent to me with all of the 2k ranting in here that people have forgotten the game killing flaws this series had from day 1....

[Skopin]

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What does 2k have to do with the outlandishness of NBA Live. If you want to go on about issues this series is far and beyond anything 2k has right now. Its so far off the game hasn't released in years.

Im not into the fanboy games because Id rather have all 6 games back on the market, but its apparent to me with all of the 2k ranting in here that people have forgotten the game killing flaws this series had from day 1....

You're completely overplaying what I said. I said that, in my opinion, Live had better AI and defense. I never said there weren't issues with the game(s). However, I brought up 2k because you used examples of issues from Live 10 (4 years old) that also exist in NBA 2k13 (11 months old).

I'm not against either company or game. I want a realistic basketball game as much, if not more, than anyone else.

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You're completely overplaying what I said. I said that, in my opinion, Live had better AI and defense. I never said there weren't issues with the game(s). However, I brought up 2k because you used examples of issues from Live 10 (4 years old) that also exist in NBA 2k13 (11 months old).

I'm not against either company or game. I want a realistic basketball game as much, if not more, than anyone else.

Thats an unbacked up opinion. I gave examples of defense because I know what kinds of issues that game had, and I used Live 10 as an example because it was the best of current gen they released.

I think we can agree both games have issues but my issue here is a roasting of 2k although they've undisputably made the best basketball game to date ever made, while this company has tripped and slipped over its own feet several times, but its being ignored by the same folks who aren't even acknowledging the ridiculous issues this series was plagued with because they were real bad.

It makes it much easier to talk about what NBA Live needs to do and improve on rather than to say whats wrong in 2k. If this games doesnt improve to the level of 2k it'll just be a 2nd hand basketball series because they are far behind in alot of aspects.


Screw dribbling because that was never the problem... what about the unrealistic rebounding, lack of and and bad movement and animations, hardly touched franchise mode, and so many things this series has been plagued with from day 1?

[Skopin]

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Thats an unbacked up opinion. I gave examples of defense because I know what kinds of issues that game had, and I used Live 10 as an example because it was the best of current gen they released.

I think we can agree both games have issues but my issue here is a roasting of 2k although they've undisputably made the best basketball game to date ever made, while this company has tripped and slipped over its own feet several times, but its being ignored by the same folks who aren't even acknowledging the ridiculous issues this series was plagued with because they were real bad.

It makes it much easier to talk about what NBA Live needs to do and improve on rather than to say whats wrong in 2k. If this games doesnt improve to the level of 2k it'll just be a 2nd hand basketball series because they are far behind in alot of aspects.


Screw dribbling because that was never the problem... what about the unrealistic rebounding, lack of and and bad movement and animations, hardly touched franchise mode, and so many things this series has been plagued with from day 1?

I replied to someone else's post with my opinion about defense and AI. You jumped in and exclaimed that Live has flaws completely irrelevant to my post, so I countered by saying that 2k has those same issues.

I never said that Live was an amazing game, or that it was flawless. That being said, Live's major issue was player movement and interaction. There was a lot of sliding and warping to make things happen. 2k has similar issues, but to a different extent. The rebounding in 2k has been atrocious, especially in My Player/ My Career. Teammate AI on both offense and defense is also lacking.

My point is that both games have issues. With a new engine and new consoles, EA actually has the opportunity to fix their player movement issues. I would love two solid NBA games.

[lookatmenow]

oh boo hoo

cry me a river!!! The NFL License has nothing to do with all the other titles they released. And the subject is Live, not NFL....Your hatred for one companies business decision is just mediocre and stupid...

It's been 9 years and people want to rip EA for everything they've done for the loss of one 2k title...gtfo...

They didn't buy NCAA, where's college hoops...

They didn't buy NHL, where 2k hockey...

They loss the MLB, 2k baseball is poo x2

There are other sports, even Konami pushes out PES each year with not license for FIFA, but hey it's completely editable to have the real players and teams.

2k loses a license and creates All Pro Football and limits out any way to edit into a NFL game.

Backbreaker comes out and is edited into a NFL game. (Contradictory circumstances)

get over yourself and trying to hate every title they make for one exclusive license....

Back on Topic..

there is a chance for Live as there would be for Sony, if they revamped Shootout and bring it back....I said Shootout not NBA The Inside..that was trash...

Konami can return Inside Drive and I'd buy that...

If it doesn't mean anything then why did they 'EA Sports" buy the NFL license if the first place. I'll tell you why, ...because Madden would not exist today. That's why
Anytime you can't compete you find a way to eliminate the competition, which is bad for gamers because no one wants to play the same game all the time especially if it's crap!! Everyone wants choices

[coolcras7]

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Live 10 was decent, yes, but anyone who thinks a sequel of that game would've been able to compete with 2k11 is utterly foolish. Live 10 gets props because it was the best Live in years. Now that they haven't released a game since Lebron wore a Cavs' jersey, people are acting like it was better than 2k10 lol. Getting 5 on 5 Bball correct is a multi year thing and takes a lot of fan feedback. EA is probably 3-5 years away from even getting a good all around experience out there.

One of the leading members of the Live 10 Team left EA and when back to 2k and helped make 2k11 as great as it was, so if you want to play what ifs there is that if EA had just stayed the course with Mike would they have been able to compete, i think they would have had a good chance.

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I replied to someone else's post with my opinion about defense and AI. You jumped in and exclaimed that Live has flaws completely irrelevant to my post, so I countered by saying that 2k has those same issues.

I never said that Live was an amazing game, or that it was flawless. That being said, Live's major issue was player movement and interaction. There was a lot of sliding and warping to make things happen. 2k has similar issues, but to a different extent. The rebounding in 2k has been atrocious, especially in My Player/ My Career. Teammate AI on both offense and defense is also lacking.

My point is that both games have issues. With a new engine and new consoles, EA actually has the opportunity to fix their player movement issues. I would love two solid NBA games.

..and again, how is 2ks rebounding issues in My Player even remotely relevant to NBA Live's players jumping without bending their knees, onlu jumping straight up and down, rebounds hitting the floor not matter who jumps and whos around?

Like I said, there are far worse problems to deal with than what you dont like in My Player in another game.

Live didnt just have sliding and warping either...and since the defense was so gimped, you had players literally hugged to the ball player like a snuggie, and the only way you could drive was to do a bunch of dribble moves.. even though I pointed it out they ignored the issue, which tells me all of that Synergy data didn't mean crap in the scheme of it because all of those ratings and tendencies were awful, and I mean worse than 2k insider awful.

PGs were grabbing rebounds over Centers until you looked at the ratings and saw everybody's ratings were input from Candyland.


I commented on your defense is better comment and gave examples why its not, and im adding more because as I said, it seems that people have forgotten in the middle of all of this crazy arguing, EA has to deal with EAs issues, not 2ks.

If 2k never makes another game, EA will still need to deal with its gimped on court interaction, players shrinking size under the basket which was in that E3 trailer as well as old Live's and I have video to point that out as well...

Its such a long laundry list that I have no idea how so many people can come in here to this graveyard trashing 2k.

[DirtyJerz32]

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If EA would release NBA Live with the same gameplay that 10 had, I'm sold. I loved 10 and still play it. Just stopped playing when the season ended.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

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wait for 5 on 5 videos probably the only answer at this point.

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Honestly only a demo really truly would.

A 2 to 5 minute video can show you things but it can also not show you things

Galaxy Note 2

[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: OS Roundtable: Does Live Stand a Chance?

Honestly only a demo really truly would.

A 2 to 5 minute video can show you things but it can also not show you things

Galaxy Note 2

Agreed . I wonder how big of a jump 2k can make on next gen and what EA can do too.

[Skopin]

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..and again, how is 2ks rebounding issues in My Player even remotely relevant to NBA Live's players jumping without bending their knees, onlu jumping straight up and down, rebounds hitting the floor not matter who jumps and whos around?

Like I said, there are far worse problems to deal with than what you dont like in My Player in another game.

Live didnt just have sliding and warping either...and since the defense was so gimped, you had players literally hugged to the ball player like a snuggie, and the only way you could drive was to do a bunch of dribble moves.. even though I pointed it out they ignored the issue, which tells me all of that Synergy data didn't mean crap in the scheme of it because all of those ratings and tendencies were awful, and I mean worse than 2k insider awful.

PGs were grabbing rebounds over Centers until you looked at the ratings and saw everybody's ratings were input from Candyland.


I commented on your defense is better comment and gave examples why its not, and im adding more because as I said, it seems that people have forgotten in the middle of all of this crazy arguing, EA has to deal with EAs issues, not 2ks.

If 2k never makes another game, EA will still need to deal with its gimped on court interaction, players shrinking size under the basket which was in that E3 trailer as well as old Live's and I have video to point that out as well...

Its such a long laundry list that I have no idea how so many people can come in here to this graveyard trashing 2k.

I replied to someone else who made a comparison to 2k. Yet you clearly, for some reason, think I am the one who brought 2k into the discussion. Everything you mentioned was exactly what I said. EA's major flaw has been player movement.

But since you brought it up, let's talk about rebounding in 2k, which has the exact same issue when it comes to ratings meaning nothing. I see players with 90+ defensive rebounding ratings get out-rebounded by smaller players all the time in 2k13. Sometimes it's because the poor AI teammates fail to box out. Sometimes it's because the 90+ rebounding player reaches for empty space due to lack of ball awareness.

You say you gave examples of how EA's defense is worse than 2k's, but your examples mean nothing since 2k has the same issues. And I did not come in here trashing 2k. I made an opinionated statement about which game I thought had better defense and AI.

Please stop replying to me with your nonsensical babble.

[Sirs]

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..and again, how is 2ks rebounding issues in My Player even remotely relevant to NBA Live's players jumping without bending their knees, onlu jumping straight up and down, rebounds hitting the floor not matter who jumps and whos around?

Like I said, there are far worse problems to deal with than what you dont like in My Player in another game.

Live didnt just have sliding and warping either...and since the defense was so gimped, you had players literally hugged to the ball player like a snuggie, and the only way you could drive was to do a bunch of dribble moves.. even though I pointed it out they ignored the issue, which tells me all of that Synergy data didn't mean crap in the scheme of it because all of those ratings and tendencies were awful, and I mean worse than 2k insider awful.

PGs were grabbing rebounds over Centers until you looked at the ratings and saw everybody's ratings were input from Candyland.


I commented on your defense is better comment and gave examples why its not, and im adding more because as I said, it seems that people have forgotten in the middle of all of this crazy arguing, EA has to deal with EAs issues, not 2ks.

If 2k never makes another game, EA will still need to deal with its gimped on court interaction, players shrinking size under the basket which was in that E3 trailer as well as old Live's and I have video to point that out as well...

Its such a long laundry list that I have no idea how so many people can come in here to this graveyard trashing 2k.

Mod turning this in 2k vs live. Stay classy