I wish EA would just nix the whole auto sub feature because it sucks every year. Formation subs that you can actually save outside of the "pick a play" screen are much better and more true to life. Guys come out from being tired but in reality the NFL is so situation specific that most players come out for a specific down and distance more so than fatigue.
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Don't see how formation subs could work for defense.OS Red Zone
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Absolutely correct
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That is exactly how I used it when formation subs were an option. It would be a pain but I would even be happy with doing formation subs at the pause menu in a game but you don't even get that option. Instead your forced to try and change players before the play clock expires.
Formation subs are available in NCAA and I don't know why it's not in M25.Comment
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you are missing the whole point, formation subs are not for guys to take a 'breather'
alot of guys in the nfl now esp on defense and esp in the front 7 are situation specific players, such as run stopping NTs, pass rushing DEs, coverage LBs etc etc
in your base 4-3 you are going to be run oriented, with bigger linemen and LBs with higher blockshed and str
in passing situations, nickel/dime, you may plug in smaller but faster linemen to rush the qb and/or drop into coverage. you also may play different LBs who may be faster with better coverage skills
i know the rams for an example use 4 DEs in nickel and dime packages, the falcons switch out LBs in nickel and dime (just 2 of many many examples)
most big run stopping DTs only play in run situations in base defense
you also do not want to get stuck in your base package (with your big lineman) in 2minute drills
formation subs effectively knock out 2 birds with 1 stone, you get the chance to put the best guys on the field for each situation and you are limiting snaps for certain players so that they may have more left in the tank at the end of games
on offense WRs are rarely situational, instead their snaps are simply monitored and they often come out a play or too after a big run to catch their breath
auto subs work good for offense for the most part as you want your best guys on the field and 3DRB has its own depth chart spot
formation subs work best for the defensive side of the ball
i also usually put in my 3DRB in on all shotgun plays
and having a receiving TE and a blocking TE both can come in handy in jumbo formations vs regular formations
would be nice to decide who plays special teams aswell...
honestly it was a great feature that made no sense to remove...
unlike CFM coaching schemes now (which have no real impact ingame)Comment
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I'd totally use it on offence to create my own Wildcat formations with Denard Robinson in my chise, sub in a taller WR with a lower rating for routes in goal line forms, use certain LBers and such in different forms. I like auto-sub so my guys aren't constantly gassed, but saving form subs should be an optionComment
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If only you could save sub packages in gameplan so you don't have to rush to change things every time you go back to that formation.
Having different packages for different situations would make the game much more cerebral, closer to the chess match style of the real NFL.Comment
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I honestly don't think auto subs have ever worked this generation.
I've shelved madden yet agin for the 6 the year in a row waiting on a patch announcement. But I honestly think I won't touch it agin til it gets traded when the new consoles hit.
It's just SO TIRED....Comment
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For me it would work because I only play with the bengals and I try to play the same defense that they do IRL. On nickel formations I always have to sub Harrison and Maualuga out. Then I have to sub Maualuga in at Harrison's spot then put Burfict in at Maualuga's spot. Leon hall is the LCB IRL so I have him as my 2nd CB but in nickel formations he plays the nickel corner and pacman goes to the LCB' so that's 2 more subs that I have to do in game every single game. Burfict is the Bengals best cover LB IRL so I also have to sub him in for MLb in dime formations. On long passing down I always sub in Harrison or Hubt in at NT for more pass rush than Peko. So imagine having to do all of this every single game against CPU then imagine having to do it against a human player for every nickel and dime formation. We absolutely need formation subs if you and the very few people don't think it's needed then you have the option not to use it.Comment
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I understand all of this and think formation subs should be in the game.. Just don't see why auto subs have to go away. If they're gone then when players get fatigued it seems like it would be a big problem subbing out just a few guys from say my base 3-4 formation w/out having to overhaul the entire personnel packageOS Red Zone
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I just wish they would let you have better audible and substitution choices all aroundComment
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I guess I shouldn't have made my post so black and white. I didn't literally mean to eliminate auto-subs just that they suck and don't work well. Formation subs give you much more control of your strategy and are more true to what happens in real life. Also, the fact that they used to be in the game and are in NCAA boggles my mind but I guess it really shouldn't anymore.Comment
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How about auto subs that actually function and formation subs. Don't see this being that hard to implement but for some reason still hasn't.Comment
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