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  • Brooke2011
    MVP
    • Aug 2013
    • 1904

    #1

    Why not start from scratch

    I can never understand why EA doesn't scrap madden and start from scratch. With all the feedback from this and other communities , they have to realize that they are falling short in translating reality to a video game. Most things in madden have not changed since 2008. It seem that the programming is ported over year after year. The player models are the same. The player movement in relation to what is going on in the game is the same. The camera angles do not relate to a true broadcast camera. Take a look at FIFA and PES. They have captured the field and camera angles that are as close to a real game as can be. Even NBA 2K has a better accurate depiction of thier real life counterpart.

    One thing I would do if I was designing madden is look at an app called NFL Rewind and try to replicate the lighting and player models that are seen from the coaches camera angle. Another thing i would do is scrap all the player models and 100 different ways you can create a player. Instead, I would have three distinct player models for each position on the field to choose from. I would have facial scans. for every player. I would have attributes built in for each position on the field . Also, for each position , I would rate them as poor, good and great, these attributes would be applied to each position and adjust that player in that position to correlate with thier respective rating. I would incorporate what nfl 2k did with thier sneakers. I would allow any player to choose from multiple cleats and colors that are current with thier respective team .

    If I can come up with some innovations for just being an average joe ,then i think EA can give us a much better product than what we have been getting.
  • Segagendude
    Banned
    • Aug 2008
    • 7940

    #2
    Re: Why not start from scratch

    They tried that in 06.

    We all remember how successful that was.......

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    • Trackball
      MVP
      • Sep 2012
      • 1306

      #3
      Re: Why not start from scratch

      Too much money in recycling code.

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      • SA1NT401
        Banned
        • Sep 2007
        • 3498

        #4
        Re: Why not start from scratch

        Too much money and a less than stellar development team....

        EA just doesn't have the talent or will to actually make an attempt.

        Re cycle re cycle re cycle.... The EA motto.

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        • allhailben7
          Rookie
          • Aug 2010
          • 335

          #5
          Re: Why not start from scratch

          Do you know how long it would take to scrap everything and build it from the ground up?

          We wouldn't get another game until Holiday 2014 if they start right now...

          The football sim they put out now is not GOTY worthy, but it is serviceable and they at least let us customize the settings if we so choose. They actually put out "good" games when it comes to the gaming world. I'm not saying that it is great by any means, but they are at least making some great strides now. (Serviceable run blocking and better RB control make 13 unplayable for me)

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          • JaymeeAwesome
            Dynasty Guru
            • Jan 2005
            • 4152

            #6
            Re: Why not start from scratch

            As much as everyone thinks these online communities are huge, we are still the minority.
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            • Carlboy82
              Banned
              • May 2010
              • 398

              #7
              Re: Why not start from scratch

              With all the hype of the Next Gen consoles, and now your thought on scrapping the game and starting from scratch, i know it all sounds good. But lets all be honest, unless EA gets some Football Minds on the DEV TEAM, that actually know what theyre doing concerning game play, we will never see a SIM TYPE game, that doesnt have dozens of issues.

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              • Staalker
                Rookie
                • Sep 2010
                • 76

                #8
                Re: Why not start from scratch

                It takes years to build an engine, it takes even more time to incorporate physics and then more time still to make it all operate on a stats based system.

                Years, and all that time requires money.

                Each year they take what they started building and they mold it more. It's a process that you'd have to see to truly understand, but it's not something that can be done quickly.

                This is the core problem they have.

                See, they want a new game out each year, and that gives them very little time to make large strides in the engine and code. Problem is, they also feel they need to add new features each year as well.

                This further increases the resources needed to get the game "right".

                Honestly, if they would just add the new art, the new voice-overs and then work to polish what we have for a while, each Madden would be better for quite some time.

                As long as they keep trying to add new features and "reinvent the wheel", they have to skimp elsewhere.

                Then again, when they don't try to add something new each year, people rage about how it's just a $60 roster update.

                Not defending EA or anything, but I spent a decade making games. It's impressive, from a purely technical aspect, that they can even get a working game out each year under the time constraints they have.

                I'd wager that they are working in advance. Meaning, what we got in Madden 25 was actually created last year or even earlier. By the time we see it, the tech is pretty old. Only way to really do a game like this with yearly updates and meet the deadline.

                That's why I don't have much faith that Madden 25 on next-gen will be much more than we have on current gen. It will look better, I'd almost guarantee that, but overall the game will play the same. Loading times will be better, less frame drops and such due to hardware.

                It won't be until next year that we see a true "next-gen" Madden.

                I hope to be proven wrong, however.

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                • ajk49er
                  Pro
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 715

                  #9
                  Re: Why not start from scratch

                  serviceable?

                  are you kidding me man?

                  go simulate a season, that is NOT serviceable

                  so many other examples, this just blows my mind.

                  I'd LOVE if they took that time off, and just charged us for a freaking season long package of roster updates for next season.

                  otherwise, you will get the same game, with the SAME issues that are gamebreaking(such as what you will ask? how about the CPU by year 3 or 4 having 2 corners with a 79 speed, and a 76 speed corner covering my slot. I am sure THAT is something we can work around right? maybe by editing their mistake? oh right, we CANT edit their mistakes.
                  360-Chiefs-)

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                  • dghustla
                    Pro
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 721

                    #10
                    Re: Why not start from scratch

                    Originally posted by jaymee13
                    As much as everyone thinks these online communities are huge, we are still the minority.
                    Thank you. The truth hurts. Please in these online communities fail to accept that they are the small % of the game sales. And that no matter how hard it might be for them to believe, there are millions of ppl who enjoy this game as it is, year in and year out.


                    I dont think they need to scrap madden and start over. I think they need to build on what they have and make 100% commitment to realism. that being said, i'd settle for 60%
                    Last edited by dghustla; 09-30-2013, 01:54 PM.

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                    • Brooke2011
                      MVP
                      • Aug 2013
                      • 1904

                      #11
                      Re: Why not start from scratch

                      Umm, I just saw the nba 2k14 trailer for next gen that was posted today....it is night and day from current gen. It looks like most of that game was scrapped. The players ,lighting and movement isn't even the same as the current gen game.


                      C'mon man

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                      • Flamehead
                        Banned
                        • Dec 2002
                        • 1501

                        #12
                        Re: Why not start from scratch

                        Originally posted by Segagendude
                        They tried that in 06.

                        We all remember how successful that was.......
                        Apparently not everyone as this question keeps popping up.

                        And when it dawned on everyone how bad it was, the question that kept popping up then was "Why didn't they just port it over and build on it?"

                        Selective memory.

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                        • dghustla
                          Pro
                          • Apr 2009
                          • 721

                          #13
                          Re: Why not start from scratch

                          Originally posted by Brooke2011
                          Umm, I just saw the nba 2k14 trailer for next gen that was posted today....it is night and day from current gen. It looks like most of that game was scrapped. The players ,lighting and movement isn't even the same as the current gen game.


                          C'mon man

                          ??? So from that 5 seconds of "game video" you have draw the conclusion that 2k scrapped a decade of advancements to start completely from scratch or close to it? C'mon man could you be any more bias?

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                          • Skopin
                            Banned
                            • Aug 2010
                            • 307

                            #14
                            Re: Why not start from scratch

                            NBA Elite 11. They started from scratch with that game, and there is nowhere near enough time in a single dev cycle to pull that off.

                            What they should do is focus on one area at a time, and completely rework it from the ground up. Start with player mass and momentum, and work up to player interaction. Movement feels better in Madden 25 with actual foot-planting, but it still doesn't feel like the players have any weight to them.

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                            • XXstormmXX
                              MVP
                              • Aug 2013
                              • 1751

                              #15
                              Re: Why not start from scratch

                              Because it would be to much work making a new game that will probably end up being just like a Madden game.
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