Why are all the 2k14 rosters tendencies messed up ?

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Why are all the 2k14 rosters tendencies messed up ?

Very, very interested on knowing what was taken away from customization and editing, be it from teams or players perspective.

While within the last few iterations there were some signs of this franchise pilar being overlooked rather than expanded, if true that many options, ratings, tendencies and hotspots were taken out, this would be a testament of 2Ks new direction:

IMHO, with this, 2K is just using the "new" dynamic roster feature as an excuse to cut off the tools at hand of some of their most hardcore fans, das they have admitted defeat and have openly declared war to the worthy custom roster editors. The past versions have also seen some gradual signs of this, but not to the extend of what 2k14 seems to reflect.

If so, this makes me sad, really sad, not only that they have not recognized the value that the worthy custom roster editors contribute to their product each year and see them merely as competitors, but that they havent also recognized that the only way to cater a wide array of videogamers (be them hardcore or casuals) is by handling them the tools to make them fit the game into their own unique views.

Again, if true, am going to be naive and say it is all due to the lack of space/size/room/atention that comes from the extremely narrowed "and destined to doom" current gen console ... but having said that, am going to expect and demand ever more fervently that the next gen consoles add all the useful prior content that was taken away and add 10 times more ... I want such new gen games to live up to the published prowess of the nex gen consoles and wont accept less from game developers, not even on year 1 ... if I cant adapt the game to fit my view of how it should play, as I have been able to do (even if up to an extend), it is as good as the bball games EA has put out within the last three years.

Here is to hope for, for, for ... for not being true ... for my current malcontent not blurring the way in which I would evaluate the game, once on my hands ... and for 2k realizing what was it that made me (and many) appreciate them and distinct them from the competition and embrace that once more ... a clue: yes editing and customization is some of it.

SMH that 2K manages to erase all the hype I had with such hard to justify missteps.

I'd say the top 3 things in the game that need to be edited every year are hot spots, tendencies, and playbooks. They hard coded the 1st 2 and then completely eliminated practice play mode so now you can not test plays for CPU vs CPU. This to me speaks volumes of what 2k is doing and trying to say! I think it's a big F you to all us hardcore gamers! With next gen, lack of space can no longer be an excuse. I will wait til next gen to see if they correct their wrong. I just can't play 2k out of the box for the life of me! What's sad is all I read is how the gameplay is best ever but it will still never be what it could have been when eliminating these 3 key areas. SMH

[vtcrb]

Re: Why are all the 2k14 rosters tendencies messed up ?

I'd say the top 3 things in the game that need to be edited every year are hot spots, tendencies, and playbooks. They hard coded the 1st 2 and then completely eliminated practice play mode so now you can not test plays for CPU vs CPU. This to me speaks volumes of what 2k is doing and trying to say! I think it's a big F you to all us hardcore gamers! With next gen, lack of space can no longer be an excuse. I will wait til next gen to see if they correct their wrong. I just can't play 2k out of the box for the life of me! What's sad is all I read is how the gameplay is best ever but it will still never be what it could have been when eliminating these 3 key areas. SMH

Glad to see you chime in buddy. I think what Gets under my skin the MOST is the way they have disrespected YOU. They invite you to 2k12 Team Up and Listen to your Playbook ideas and THEN turn around and take the Ability to Finetune Playbooks out. . I just feel you were USED as a Marketing Tool to garner more of the Community. You KNOW I have been VERY Vocal the last 2 releases about the direction things were headed. And the LACK of Actual INPUTTING of the Community Feedback.

We(Me, You, Beds, Eagle, Rondo, Hyper, JasonWilliams, MarvinOida, EXO and ALOT MORE) have Spent COUNTLESS Hours finetuning the games and making suggestions on how to Improve it. And they turn around and Take Stuff that we used AWAY.

EGOs seem to be getting in the way of Making the BEST Basketball Game Ever. The Opportunity is there and the COMMUNITY is READY to help but they wont use it.

[bedwardsroy19]

Re: Why are all the 2k14 rosters tendencies messed up ?

Glad to see you chime in buddy. I think what Gets under my skin the MOST is the way they have disrespected YOU. They invite you to 2k12 Team Up and Listen to your Playbook ideas and THEN turn around and take the Ability to Finetune Playbooks out. . I just feel you were USED as a Marketing Tool to garner more of the Community. You KNOW I have been VERY Vocal the last 2 releases about the direction things were headed. And the LACK of Actual INPUTTING of the Community Feedback.

We(Me, You, Beds, Eagle, Rondo, Hyper, JasonWilliams, MarvinOida, EXO and ALOT MORE) have Spent COUNTLESS Hours finetuning the games and making suggestions on how to Improve it. And they turn around and Take Stuff that we used AWAY.

EGOs seem to be getting in the way of Making the BEST Basketball Game Ever. The Opportunity is there and the COMMUNITY is READY to help but they wont use it.

I rarely get upset with 2K, always in their defense.

[ffaacc03]

Re: Why are all the 2k14 rosters tendencies messed up ?

I'd say the top 3 things in the game that need to be edited every year are hot spots, tendencies, and playbooks. They hard coded the 1st 2 and then completely eliminated practice play mode so now you can not test plays for CPU vs CPU. This to me speaks volumes of what 2k is doing and trying to say! I think it's a big F you to all us hardcore gamers! With next gen, lack of space can no longer be an excuse. I will wait til next gen to see if they correct their wrong. I just can't play 2k out of the box for the life of me! What's sad is all I read is how the gameplay is best ever but it will still never be what it could have been when eliminating these 3 key areas. SMH

Agreed, I am so in rage that I just want to ...

[vtcrb]

Re: Why are all the 2k14 rosters tendencies messed up ?

My feelings on it all can be found right here: https://twitter.com/bedwardsroy19

I rarely get upset with 2K, always in their defense.

You and VANN always very supportive of them. Me on the other hand. LOL. I just give honest feedback, but they seem to take it personal. Ignoring MOST of ANY Communications I try to give them. You guys have talked to them alot more than me, so here is My question. Do they take it personal, Instead of being Constructive criticism, when someone doesnt agree with their ideas/methods? Makes no sense, it seems like they are TRYING to lose Consumers.

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Why are all the 2k14 rosters tendencies messed up ?

You and VANN always very supportive of them. Me on the other hand. LOL. I just give honest feedback, but they seem to take it personal. Ignoring MOST of ANY Communications I try to give them. You guys have talked to them alot more than me, so here is My question. Do they take it personal, Instead of being Constructive criticism, when someone doesnt agree with their ideas/methods? Makes no sense, it seems like they are TRYING to lose Consumers.

I think they are tired of us all calling out the flaws in the game. Lack of testing of plays and hot spots and tendencies all screwed up out of the box. We all know how different the game plays with these all edited. The dribble tendencies are always jacked up way to high and better represent a and1 game then a MBA game. It's pointless to even have the classic teams in the game the playbooks, play types, and tendencies are so broken! Each team only had like 15 plays per and 75% were horrible.

You take these editing options out and nothing we can do but complain how horrible it is. It just shows such lack of understanding in how their own game works. It's funny because I know we have all put these areas on blast and the 2kinsider is a complete joke!

As far as do the devs take offense you need to understand this is there job. They put 50-60-70 hours of work in a week creating their ideas. So, yes I did get a little bit of the feeling they didn't like someone challenging them on anything. At least this go's for a few of the devs NOT all of them.

All I can think of is they are trying to make a point. It's a slap in the face! I spent 80% of my time with the game in practice mode. I loved it! I know you all have probably spent more time than me in your respective areas as well. I just never understand getting rid of things. I get maybe neglecting a mode for a year til they have the proper time to give it the proper attention it might need. But eliminating things or purposely hard coding areas of the game? I mean apparently practice free throws is in, freestyle practice is in, scrimmage mode is still in. The only area they got rid if is practice plays mode. Coincidence? I don't think so! Is it coincidence that hot spots and tendencies are hard coded? Again, no. It's a big F you to all if us who give back to the community and spent hours editing for them. We have supported this series (at least I have) since 99 dreamcast. This will be the 1st year I do not buy as that's only way I know how to say F you back! Lol! That and blowing my displeasure all over twitter and these boards! Lol!

[vtcrb]

Re: Why are all the 2k14 rosters tendencies messed up ?

I think they are tired of us all calling out the flaws in the game. Lack of testing of plays and hot spots and tendencies all screwed up out of the box. We all know how different the game plays with these all edited. The dribble tendencies are always jacked up way to high and better represent a and1 game then a MBA game. It's pointless to even have the classic teams in the game the playbooks, play types, and tendencies are so broken! Each team only had like 15 plays per and 75% were horrible.

You take these editing options out and nothing we can do but complain how horrible it is. It just shows such lack of understanding in how their own game works. It's funny because I know we have all put these areas on blast and the 2kinsider is a complete joke!

As far as do the devs take offense you need to understand this is there job. They put 50-60-70 hours of work in a week creating their ideas. So, yes I did get a little bit of the feeling they didn't like someone challenging them on anything. At least this go's for a few of the devs NOT all of them.

All I can think of is they are trying to make a point. It's a slap in the face! I spent 80% of my time with the game in practice mode. I loved it! I know you all have probably spent more time than me in your respective areas as well. I just never understand getting rid of things. I get maybe neglecting a mode for a year til they have the proper time to give it the proper attention it might need. But eliminating things or purposely hard coding areas of the game? I mean apparently practice free throws is in, freestyle practice is in, scrimmage mode is still in. The only area they got rid if is practice plays mode. Coincidence? I don't think so! Is it coincidence that hot spots and tendencies are hard coded? Again, no. It's a big F you to all if us who give back to the community and spent hours editing for them. We have supported this series (at least I have) since 99 dreamcast. This will be the 1st year I do not buy as that's only way I know how to say F you back! Lol! That and blowing my displeasure all over twitter and these boards! Lol!

The is the 1st time I havent bought a game on release day in 15 years. I KNEW with lack of details, things would be different. I also figured MORE Hard Coding once they Hired Leftos. They took out ONE of the MAIN Editing Tool Makers in the Community. Not a coincidence either. The SAD thing is I think this is JUST THE BEGINNING of the Hard Coding. And it looks like 2k13 might be the LAST Basketball Game I edit. But at least we Got 50,000 SHOES and CREW back. LOL

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Why are all the 2k14 rosters tendencies messed up ?

The is the 1st time I havent bought a game on release day in 15 years. I KNEW with lack of details, things would be different. I also figured MORE Hard Coding once they Hired Leftos. They took out ONE of the MAIN Editing Tool Makers in the Community. Not a coincidence either. The SAD thing is I think this is JUST THE BEGINNING of the Hard Coding. And it looks like 2k13 might be the LAST Basketball Game I edit. But at least we Got 50,000 SHOES and CREW back. LOL

It's sad man! This is 1st time since mid 80's when I played double dribble that I won't have a basketball game! For the 1st time I will keep a close eye on the live series!

[vtcrb]

Re: Why are all the 2k14 rosters tendencies messed up ?

It's sad man! This is 1st time since mid 80's when I played double dribble that I won't have a basketball game! For the 1st time I will keep a close eye on the live series!

I am keeping an eye on them as well. Going to also tweak 2k13 to make it best i can for me, in case it is last game I get.

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Why are all the 2k14 rosters tendencies messed up ?

And here we go again! Same ole same ole! Lol! only difference is we cant figure it out this time...

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-2nd-tier.html

[Nukleopatra]

Re: Why are all the 2k14 rosters tendencies messed up ?

Are you telling me that if a player shoots 15 threes a game, we can't lower his three point shot tendency?

[bedwardsroy19]

Re: Why are all the 2k14 rosters tendencies messed up ?

And here we go again! Same ole same ole! Lol! only difference is we cant figure it out this time...

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-2nd-tier.html

I should have never clicked this link and saw that guys post... Had me so upset

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Why are all the 2k14 rosters tendencies messed up ?

I should have never clicked this link and saw that guys post... Had me so upset

Lmao! I'm with ya!!!

[qpc123]

Re: Why are all the 2k14 rosters tendencies messed up ?

Are you telling me that if a player shoots 15 threes a game, we can't lower his three point shot tendency?

No, its the HotSpots(locations for pick and rolls, iso's, post up, spot up) that are gone.

You can no longer edit things to get say Dwight Howard to post up on the left block more often than the right.

I feel like I have waffled all day on my feelings. I had been working hard getting 2k13 to play the way I want assuming some of it would carry over to 2k14(stupid me, I know).

Played one game on Pro Sim, as the 96 Bulls and blew out the Sonics by 30. In general I was pleased, outside of the every year issues.

Stepped up to All-Star.

After one quarter(12 mins) Seattle was 17-19 FG and only took 3 shots outside of the paint(sounds familiar). It was back to CPU players seeming to say "I am going to dribble and if you stop me I will step back and attack again until your one on one d breaks down or a teammate flashes open for a layup, but whatever you do, this shot is coming from the paint." I started leaving guys like Detlef and Nate McMillian wide open just to see if they would shoot. I got Detlef to shoot one but that was it.

Playbooks are totally F'd.

I'm gonna stick with my rented 2k14 for a few days to see if I can make any improvements, but I'm started to feel like even if got this to 100% of what it could be(given our options) stupid stuff will be unfixable due to the removed options.

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Why are all the 2k14 rosters tendencies messed up ?

No, its the HotSpots(locations for pick and rolls, iso's, post up, spot up) that are gone.

You can no longer edit things to get say Dwight Howard to post up on the left block more often than the right.

I feel like I have waffled all day on my feelings. I had been working hard getting 2k13 to play the way I want assuming some of it would carry over to 2k14(stupid me, I know).

Played one game on Pro Sim, as the 96 Bulls and blew out the Sonics by 30. In general I was pleased, outside of the every year issues.

Stepped up to All-Star.

After one quarter(12 mins) Seattle was 17-19 FG and only took 3 shots outside of the paint(sounds familiar). It was back to CPU players seeming to say "I am going to dribble and if you stop me I will step back and attack again until your one on one d breaks down or a teammate flashes open for a layup, but whatever you do, this shot is coming from the paint." I started leaving guys like Detlef and Nate McMillian wide open just to see if they would shoot. I got Detlef to shoot one but that was it.

Playbooks are totally F'd.

I'm gonna stick with my rented 2k14 for a few days to see if I can make any improvements, but I'm started to feel like even if got this to 100% of what it could be(given our options) stupid stuff will be unfixable due to the removed options.

Without having the ability to fix the areas you mentioned it's completely a unplayable game for me and as much as it kills me I will wait until they give us these options back in a future iteration. It really sucks because 1 thing I always lived about 2k is they gave us the ability to adjust the game to our liking by giving us options. Now they pull a 180 and take it away from us. For the life of me I don't get it! Your hardcore fans you alienate. Makes no sense!

What's more frustrating is getting no answers as to why and being completely ignored!