Next-Gen Madden NFL 25 Twitter Q&A w/ Art Director Jean Adams & Producer Seann Graddy

[Dogslax41]

Re: Twitter Chat w/ Art Director Jean Adams and Producer Seann Graddy

Everyone has the choice to read interviews, watch videos, read reviews, play demos etc before purchasing the product. You do have a choice.

You completely missed the point of that. If I want to play a football game on next gen and am not a Madden fan which one do you suggest I buy?

[Kevin26385]

Re: Twitter Chat w/ Art Director Jean Adams and Producer Seann Graddy

You completely missed the point of that. If I want to play a football game on next gen and am not a Madden fan which one do you suggest I buy?

I didn't miss the point. I am suggesting that you save your money and don't purchase a game that you will dislike.

I understand that you want to play a football game on next-gen. But if you hate Madden, why are you purchasing the game?

[Dogslax41]

Re: Twitter Chat w/ Art Director Jean Adams and Producer Seann Graddy

I didn't miss the point. I am suggesting that you save your money and don't purchase a game that you will dislike.

And people that chose to do that should do what, go sit on their hands in a corner and hope someday a different game comes out. Or maybe some go on a sports gaming website and post their displeasure in nonconstructive way and some in constructive ways. Your whole original statement was about their being too many "loud" voices, my point was why there are more "loud" voices with Madden and its not an EA thing because other EA games don't have that.

Your response basically alludes to, you don't like it, tough we don't want to hear about it.

[Kevin26385]

Re: Twitter Chat w/ Art Director Jean Adams and Producer Seann Graddy

And people that chose to do that should do what, go sit on their hands in a corner and hope someday a different game comes out. Or maybe some go on a sports gaming website and post their displeasure in nonconstructive way and some in constructive ways. Your whole original statement was about their being too many "loud" voices, my point was why there are more "loud" voices with Madden and its not an EA thing because other EA games don't have that.

Your response basically alludes to, you don't like it, tough we don't want to hear about it.

I am not saying that they should just sit on the sideline and not have their opinion heard. However, many of the "loud" users ruin OS because all they do is bash the game and development studio.

Not very many people here post suggestions and back them up with real life examples. A lot of posts are just blanket statements.

"This needs to be fixed."

"This is unrealistic."

etc.

If you had limited time, would you sift through the noise on OS or go to a community that is constructive and can clearly explain their opinions?

I know it is not fair to some of you here, but a lot of people ruin the experience. Just being real.

[Dogslax41]

Re: Twitter Chat w/ Art Director Jean Adams and Producer Seann Graddy

I am not saying that they should just sit on the sideline and not have their opinion heard. However, many of the "loud" users ruin OS because all they do is bash the game and development studio.

Not very many people here post suggestions and back them up with real life examples. A lot of posts are just blanket statements.

"This needs to be fixed."

"This is unrealistic."

etc.

If you had limited time, would you sift through the noise on OS or go to a community that is constructive and can clearly explain their opinions?

I know it is not fair to some of you here, but a lot of people ruin the experience. Just being real.

I can understand that completely.

Madden has 5 big groups of consumers
1 People that love Madden and everything Madden - Always Buy
2 People that love video game football and enjoy Madden - 95% time buy
3 People that love video game football and don't really like Madden but always hope next year is different - 75% time buy
4 People that hate Madden but have to play video game football - 75% time buy
5 People that hate Madden and refuse to purchase - 10% time buy

The loud group is mostly isolated to the group 5 but also makes up a significant portion of group 4. Problem for people like yourself and others that represent the game is that group is much larger than any other game because they can't go play something else and direct their attention toward that.

But you cant just throw the baby out with the bathwater because groups 2 and 3 are constantly offering suggestions on how to make the game better and again based on sales that is something Madden really needs right now. And maybe thats preaching to the choir because you are here right now, but it feels like more members of the Madden team should be out there looking for solutions.

I personally enjoy the game but feel that it could be and should be so much more. I feel bad that I have just accepted that the developers just can't do any better and have accepted Madden for what it is but I've bought Madden every year since it was on the Apple II.

On OS this is focused more on sim, an area that Madden has traditionally fell very short so you get some in groups 2 and 3 that get a bit more heated because despite traditionally falling short in the sim category EA always hints they want to go that way when most people have started to understand financially didn't make sense in the past. But sales numbers are showing a bit different now and the hit this year was a significant one that seems to be the community calling for some changes.

Bottom line is the license dictates that EA is going to have to put up with more complaining on Madden unlike FIFA because those that hate FIFA can go play PES and never be heard from again. While those that don't like Madden are left with only their voice.

[roadman]

Re: Twitter Chat w/ Art Director Jean Adams and Producer Seann Graddy

I am not saying that they should just sit on the sideline and not have their opinion heard. However, many of the "loud" users ruin OS because all they do is bash the game and development studio.

Not very many people here post suggestions and back them up with real life examples. A lot of posts are just blanket statements.

"This needs to be fixed."

"This is unrealistic."

etc.

If you had limited time, would you sift through the noise on OS or go to a community that is constructive and can clearly explain their opinions?

I know it is not fair to some of you here, but a lot of people ruin the experience. Just being real.

I understand that is the perception because I once asked a GCer about posting on OS and they replied, I don't post there.

I don't think it's anything near the Ian Cummings era, but sounds like that is the perception among the CGer's/ea communitity.

I mentioned a few tools earlier, like, ignore poster and report poster, but sounds like that doesn't even seem like it's a suitable option.

OS's reputation seems to proceed itself, which is a shame, because there are some bright constructive posters at OS.

[Kevin26385]

Re: Twitter Chat w/ Art Director Jean Adams and Producer Seann Graddy

Dogslax41 - Understandable. It is important to remember that these solutions aren't as easy as people think they are. I wish everyone could visit the studio and talk to the developers. Creating a realistic football video game with 22 characters on screen and pleasing everyone is a tough task. Add in the turnaround time and it is even more difficult.

roadman - I don't like using that option simply because I think it is the job of the moderators to control that aspect. I think people need to realize that while GC might not be on OS...the sim, competitive and casual communities are still heard. Also, the majority of members visit here before going to the studio to write down suggestions.

[Swaggedupbruh]

Re: Twitter Chat w/ Art Director Jean Adams and Producer Seann Graddy

We shouldnt have to back up our claims with real life examples. The real life examples are on tv every sunday. All you have to do is turn on the tv to see thousands of examplrs.

The reason we complain is because at this point were tired of stright up being lied too. And being forced to play ea sports of we want a nfl game tgat isnt over eight years old.

Ea deserves every bit of the complaining. Ea should be able to watch a nfl game then look at their game and say, our game looks nothing like that.

[Kevin26385]

Re: Twitter Chat w/ Art Director Jean Adams and Producer Seann Graddy

We shouldnt have to back up our claims with real life examples. The real life examples are on tv every sunday. All you have to do is turn on the tv to see thousands of examplrs.

The reason we complain is because at this point were tired of stright up being lied too. And being forced to play ea sports of we want a nfl game tgat isnt over eight years old.

Ea deserves every bit of the complaining. Ea should be able to watch a nfl game then look at their game and say, our game looks nothing like that.

Right on cue. Lied to and forced to play? This is exactly the noise and negativity that doesn't help anyone.

[Dogslax41]

Re: Twitter Chat w/ Art Director Jean Adams and Producer Seann Graddy

pleasing everyone is a tough task.

This to me is the problem. This is exactly what EA has been trying to do and its impossible. Pick a direction and head that way. You want to be an arcade/action sports game fine state that and head in that direction. You want to be a sim game make the commitment and do it. You want to put out a product that looks like what you see on Sunday then do it already. They constantly flip between directions trying to please everyone and come out with a mish mash lukewarm product every year.

My issue is they make statements and then don't back them up because it appears like they see the potential financial impact of that potential change and slam the car into reverse.

I am really hoping EA comes through this year because a year and a half of Kolbe working on the game if it doesn't show some signs of heading in a direction like the show did I personally will have to start thinking the decision makers at EA are never going to let anyone in the community make a difference and are always going to revert back to the lowest common denominator to sell the most units.

[m1ke_nyc]

Re: Twitter Chat w/ Art Director Jean Adams and Producer Seann Graddy

It comes down to an evaluation of priority. Everything can't be done in a year, so when deciding a to add it will take away from progression in another area. If you think it is the most important wish item for player accessories, and everyone agrees, I will pass your feedback to Jean.

With all due respect then how does EA decide that hand towels are higher on the priority list than fixing the broken penalty and challenge system ? Yes art and gameplay two different departments but still these things have been ignored for an entire console generation and were lacking the previous gen but hand towels found its way in.

[Kevin26385]

Re: Twitter Chat w/ Art Director Jean Adams and Producer Seann Graddy

With all due respect then how does EA decide that hand towels are higher on the priority list than fixing the broken penalty and challenge system ? Yes art and gameplay two different departments but still these things have been ignored for an entire console generation and were lacking the previous gen but hand towels found its way in.

Apples and oranges. Do you really think fixing an entire penalty system is easier than adding hand towels?

[adub88]

Re: Next-Gen Madden NFL 25 Twitter Q&A w/ Art Director Jean Adams & Producer Seann Gr

I really think this thread should be shut down until this True Step Locomotion info drops. There's way to many pages of back and forth banter, and the same things are being said over and over again. Excitement has died down with the recent info released, by let's wait and see. Find something else to occupy your time. Go read a book, spend time with your family, do something, good lawd lol.

[roadman]

Re: Twitter Chat w/ Art Director Jean Adams and Producer Seann Graddy

Dogslax41 -

roadman - I don't like using that option simply because I think it is the job of the moderators to control that aspect. I think people need to realize that while GC might not be on OS...the sim, competitive and casual communities are still heard. Also, the majority of members visit here before going to the studio to write down suggestions.

As far as the mods, it does help them out. They don't go through every thread and on page 28 of a 56 page thread someone calls someone out.

I understand what you are saying, when you say that while CG might not visit OS... all communities are still heard, it's still shallow outcome to make us "OS" feel that our opinion is not always heard.

I can't tell how frustrating it is that I've been asking for several years regarding penalties being called correctly and it feels like it's fallen on deaf ears, year after year. And I'm not the lone ranger in that category.

Thanks for being honest, Kevin, as I'm trying to be honest, too.

One of the most frustrating things as a OS poster for me, is when a GCer is here and asking for questions, we never see them again. They take our questions and we never hear from them again.

Wouldn't you agree it would foster a better relationship between the GCer community and a place like OS if the GCer came back and said, thanks for all your questions and feedback, they've been presented to the developers and I'll keep you informed to what happens.

It's the constant in and out with different GCers and this year only you have ventured in here, and I thank you for that.

Where is the continuity and the feedback?

If you take anything back to the GCers, please take back that paragraph above. I don't think there is anything worse than taking questions and not providing feedback to the audience at a later date.

Customer service should be supreme.

Thanks again for listening.

[Swaggedupbruh]

Re: Twitter Chat w/ Art Director Jean Adams and Producer Seann Graddy

Right on cue. Lied to and forced to play? This is exactly the noise and negativity that doesn't help anyone.

If they dont want this kind of talk then make a better game. Its that simple. It seems es trys and run from it rather then man up and take it.

What i said is the absloute truth. Ea will straoght up lie to you. And they have.

There is zero excuse as to why games made in 2005 and 2008 play better football then a game made in 2013. Its not our job to provide ea with endless examples of what we could do better. But we still do it. Many of us have gave up.

Ea needs to build a football game. Not a madden game. Then they will get somewhere. Ive never been a madde fan. Or even a 2k fan ive always been a pure football fan. And picked the game that was better for me. I had fun with both over the years. But as soon as current gen came out the fun stopped.