Don't Let EA's Art Team get away with a lack of effort, again...

**dlxsf18** · 10-07-2013, 03:55 PM

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List of every player who has taken scans at the last 3 rookie showcases, organized by year.

2011

EA Sports also had a station set-up, a room where they took head scan pictures of the players from all angles. These images will be used to make the video game versions of the players for next year's NHL '13.

2011 Rookie Showcase Underway

http://www.nhlpa.com/news/2011-rookie-showcase-underway

Greg Nemisz
Justin Faulk
John Moore
Marcus Kruger
Brendan Smith
Aaron Palushaj
Ryan Ellis
Blake Geoffrion
Adam Henrique
Adam Larsson
Ryan Strome
Tim Erixon
David Rundblad
Simon Despres
Jake Allen
Carter Ashton
Jussi Rynnas
Cody Eakin
Carl Klingberg

2012

EA Sports will also be taking head scans of the rookies to be used in their upcoming NHL 13 video game.

2012 NHLPA Rookie Showcase Features 30 NHL Prospects

http://www.nhlpa.com/news/2012-nhlpa-rookie-showcase-features-30-nhl-prospects

Tyson Barrie
Nathan Beaulieu
Beau Bennett
Jack Campbell
Charlie Coyle
Emerson Etem
Dougie Hamilton
Quinton Howden
Tomas Jurco
Jared Knight
Leo Komarov
Chris Kreider
Scott Laughton
Ryan Murphy
Brock Nelson
Jamie Oleksiak
Griffin Reinhart
Morgan Rielly
Jaden Schwartz
Reilly Smith
Ryan Spooner
Jarred Tinordi
Tyler Toffoli
Mark Visentin
Austin Watson
(Devan Dubnyk)

2013

EA Sports also had a room set up in which the players got to try out the unreleased NHL 14 video game. When they could be dragged away from playing, the players also posed for three-dimensional headshots that will be used for the 2015 edition of the game.

The 2013 NHLPA Rookie Showcase – Day 1

http://www.nhlpa.com/news/the-2013-nhlpa-rookie-showcase-day-1

Malcolm Subban
Petr Mrazek
Jon Merrill
Dylan McIlrath
Boone Jenner
Tomas Hertl
Ty Rattie
Tom Wilson
Tanner Pearson
Christian Thomas
Adam Clendening
Mark Mcneill
Matt Puempel
Derrick Poulliot
Bo Horvat
Tyler Biggs

Think of how much better our BAGM modes would be...

**Moose24x** · 10-07-2013, 03:56 PM

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I've already posted in support of your movement over there a few times in the past, but I'll throw my hat in again.

**leafnut24** · 10-07-2013, 07:23 PM

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Using the new roster editor I checked to see if Dubnyk and Dougie Hamilton had hidden cyberfaces, but nope, game simply crashed. Looks like they're faces aren't even in the database. So disappointing.

**CaptainSuperman** · 10-07-2013, 08:03 PM

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Maybe, JUST MAYBE, this shows you how early they are already getting to work on the next game.

Really, is it SO important for them to not look ahead to the next version of the game, all in the name of putting PICTURES in a game that is already released? For something that has no effect on gameplay what-so-ever, they must push back their future work?

C'mon.

**Moose24x** · 10-07-2013, 08:07 PM

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Or, if you're not interested in the faces that have already been scanned being included in the game, or faces that were previously in the game and were removed being restored, you could just... you know, move to the next thread?

**leafnut24** · 10-07-2013, 08:09 PM

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Literally all were asking for here is to take 5 minutes out of there day to add maybe 10 more cyberfaces to the game that they ALREADY have ready to go. Don't think that's gonna screw over the entirety of the NHL 15 developement.

**CaptainSuperman** · 10-07-2013, 08:29 PM

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I'm sure it doesn't take just 5 minutes. I'm sure it's not just a scan and go type of thing. It's not magic. Things do need to be worked on back at the labs, just like photography isn't just snap and put it in the magazines.

Plus, there are bigger things to work on, like features and gameplay, which is something that matters to each and every single person who buys the game. As opposed to pictures. I'd rather have a game that plays well with pictures of dirt or Sesame Street characters and generic game faces than a game that doesn't play well with every single players current face and picture.

**leafnut24** · 10-07-2013, 08:34 PM

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Right, but EA actually showed pictures of these guys getting in the game 2 years ago, yet still nothing. Sure it probably doesn't take 5 minutes, but it definitely doesn't take 2 years. Using the new roster editor I brought back JM Liles, Jussi Jokinen, Brad Boyes, and Alex Tanguay in 6 minutes, so..... anyways were all entitled to our opinions. In the end it doesn't seem to matter what we say or think, it's what EA does. So we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

**CaptainSuperman** · 10-07-2013, 08:47 PM

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Yeah but no matter what EA does or doesn't do, people will complain. That's what the internet is for. For people who are sour to come make their complaints be heard loud and clear. Here you say pictures are left out that where there before, but I know I've seen people complain about pictures that are "too old" or blah blah blah. So if it's not one thing, it's another. Either they will complain about a missing pic, or it becomes and old pic, or a pic where a guy isn't wearing his correct team jersey or whatever.

Just play the game, you know who the players are and what they look like, what's the big deal? I can barely play the game because of how terrible I feel the gameplay is, yet people are complaining about presentation? Yes, clearly this is higher on the priority list than gameplay and features.

**Moose24x** · 10-07-2013, 09:17 PM

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Originally posted by CaptainSuperman

Yeah but no matter what EA does or doesn't do, people will complain. That's what the internet is for. For people who are sour to come make their complaints be heard loud and clear. Here you say pictures are left out that where there before, but I know I've seen people complain about pictures that are "too old" or blah blah blah. So if it's not one thing, it's another. Either they will complain about a missing pic, or it becomes and old pic, or a pic where a guy isn't wearing his correct team jersey or whatever.

Just play the game, you know who the players are and what they look like, what's the big deal? I can barely play the game because of how terrible I feel the gameplay is, yet people are complaining about presentation? Yes, clearly this is higher on the priority list than gameplay and features.

Take your own advice and stop telling other people how to enjoy their own game. I also used the editor to bring back the cyber faces of players who previously had them and mysteriously reverted back to generic faces, and it took me only a few minutes. Each year there are dozens of guys begging EA to put those faces back in the regular rosters, and most of those guys don't have the ability to use an editor and do it themselves. They're in the game, they're on the disc, and it only took me a couple of minutes to switch the necessary information in the data to make them display again. EA could occasionally listen to their customers.

**dlxsf18** · 10-07-2013, 09:30 PM

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Originally posted by CaptainSuperman

I'm sure it doesn't take just 5 minutes. I'm sure it's not just a scan and go type of thing. It's not magic. Things do need to be worked on back at the labs, just like photography isn't just snap and put it in the magazines.

Plus, there are bigger things to work on, like features and gameplay, which is something that matters to each and every single person who buys the game. As opposed to pictures. I'd rather have a game that plays well with pictures of dirt or Sesame Street characters and generic game faces than a game that doesn't play well with every single players current face and picture.

Ok if you don't care about player faces that's fine. But you've got the wrong idea about what it takes to add them.

Bigger things to work on? You know that there is more than one group of developers producing the game right? The argument that faces should not be worked on because it takes away from gameplay is incorrect. There is a team that works on gameplay, and there is a team that works on visuals. And as of now the visuals team is doing a below average job, and I don't see how you could argue otherwise.

I guess no one knows for sure what the process is. But it takes literally 3 minutes to create an extremely accurate representation of anything and anyone you can find a picture of on Google using the Gameface program. Gameface is EA's own technology, if the art team had other things to focus on they could just use that and cover the entire league in 1 year of development time, tops. Besides, even if it does take a lot of work, that's why these guys are getting paid right? God I'd love for people to make excuses for me at my job. As a paying customer I couldn't care less about how hard it is to work on the game, neither should you or anyone else.

People always, ALWAYS say "Gameplay first, gameplay is more important." Well when is it OK to start getting upset about this series being behind every single other game in terms of presentation? Replays, cutscenes? Unimpressive. Arena and crowd atmosphere? Bad. Commentary? lol. Then I and others have to argue about getting a video game licensed by the NHL to... resemble the NHL? What would you say if you started a play now game with Detroit and instead of the Wings classic red and whites, you saw Datsyuk in a green polka dot basketball jersey? What would you say if I told you that this is the exact same jersey used by 70% of every team in NHL 14?

**CaptainSuperman** · 10-07-2013, 11:54 PM

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Originally posted by dlxsf18

Ok if you don't care about player faces that's fine. But you've got the wrong idea about what it takes to add them.

Bigger things to work on? You know that there is more than one group of developers producing the game right? The argument that faces should not be worked on because it takes away from gameplay is incorrect. There is a team that works on gameplay, and there is a team that works on visuals. And as of now the visuals team is doing a below average job, and I don't see how you could argue otherwise.

I guess no one knows for sure what the process is. But it takes literally 3 minutes to create an extremely accurate representation of anything and anyone you can find a picture of on Google using the Gameface program. Gameface is EA's own technology, if the art team had other things to focus on they could just use that and cover the entire league in 1 year of development time, tops. Besides, even if it does take a lot of work, that's why these guys are getting paid right? God I'd love for people to make excuses for me at my job. As a paying customer I couldn't care less about how hard it is to work on the game, neither should you or anyone else.

People always, ALWAYS say "Gameplay first, gameplay is more important." Well when is it OK to start getting upset about this series being behind every single other game in terms of presentation? Replays, cutscenes? Unimpressive. Arena and crowd atmosphere? Bad. Commentary? lol. Then I and others have to argue about getting a video game licensed by the NHL to... resemble the NHL? What would you say if you started a play now game with Detroit and instead of the Wings classic red and whites, you saw Datsyuk in a green polka dot basketball jersey? What would you say if I told you that this is the exact same jersey used by 70% of every team in NHL 14?

Funds.

Where do you think most of the funding is going to?

Certainly not an art department, if there is one.

They might just have guys who do general work. Like you said, you don't know (but you also stated something like it was fact, then turned around and said you don't know)

As much as I love hockey, I'm pretty sure it's the least popular/watched in NA. That would also translate to merchandise and video games. Which means there would be less funding for something not as popular. And lockouts don't help sales much either. Now be it because of funding or trying to make the biggest profit margin (or both), the game all around is not much of an improvement. I'm just as sick of the commentary and presentation as anyone. But that has no bearings on the actual game.

If I had a perfect game, yes, I would love every jersey in the game to be polka dots, if that was the cost. That doesn't bother me as much as GAMEplay in a GAME I just paid full price for. Sure, they could take their time and get all the presentation perfect, redo the commentary, add in all the correct pictures, and make everyones game face, but that would eat a bit of time and funding to work on everything else, and that would push back another year until gameplay and features get under the magnifying glass.

And even if they spent a cycle year focusing on it, what's the point? Presentation would be "old" and "stale" in a few years anyway, and players would need new faces and pictures or else be criticized again for "dropping the ball" and "STILL having pictures from TWO years ago!!!!!!!" That is why I ALWAYS say to presentation "new =/= better".

**Dougie_G_93** · 10-08-2013, 11:35 AM

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Ea sports made over 30 million dollars on NHL13 alone.
Your not gonna get much agreement here defending them, when alot of what people ask for won't cost them very much to implement.

**Majingir** · 10-08-2013, 11:42 AM

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Another thing is that a game such as MLB The Show has realistic faces for basically all the players in their game(Soriano is probably the only real bad one), but NHL can't even seem to get faces right in their game for majority of their players.

It's not even like the faces are just poorly done, they just aren't even done at all.

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