Madden NFL 25 CoachGlass Video With Some Next-Gen Gameplay Too!

[roadman]

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Cam Weber sells the game for sure. This is perhaps one of the reasons that I'm so disappointed about what we're seeing right now. The E3 trailer along with the interviews with Cam Weber back in June had me hoping for more. Instead it looks like we're get a game that could have been on current gen consoles.

I'm not so convinced, yet, I haven't seen the ignite engine enough in the videos. I want to see TruStep, the AI, and Living Worlds before making a decision.

What I've seen so far, not impressed, but I'm waiting for more to come.

[jpdavis82]

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Cam Weber sells the game for sure. This is perhaps one of the reasons that I'm so disappointed about what we're seeing right now. The E3 trailer along with the interviews with Cam Weber back in June had me hoping for more. Instead it looks like we're get a game that could have been on current gen consoles.

That's how I felt after listening to that too, doesn't mean that the things he mentioned aren't in the game, but I don't get that WOW factor that he's describing from what we have seen so far. Some screenshots have given me the WOW factor though, we'll see how things go from here.

[SageInfinite]

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I really like Cam Weber and what he has to say, but none of the stuff he talks about translates well into the game. Just hearing him talk about current gen Madden toward the end, he mentions how they really added alot of wrap tackles. I'm sure they did but the stuff that stands out, or that is prominent in the game is the WWE style lunge shoulder tackles.

So when I hear him talk about Gen 4, it really doesn't give me much hope. It just seems like these guys see stuff different than alot of us. Maybe they think this stuff does function and look realistic. I really hope they don't and it's just marketing talk and hype, but they seem really sincere.

I just know one thing, if a majority of these animations aren't cleaned up next year, and replaced with more accurate realistic stuff, I'm going in. I'm not being fair anymore, because there is really no excuse for you to talk all this tech 10 times this and more fluid that, and your game still moves like a stop motion puppet show at times.

[Dogslax41]

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I'm not so convinced, yet, I haven't seen the ignite engine enough in the videos. I want to see TruStep, the AI, and Living Worlds before making a decision.

What I've seen so far, not impressed, but I'm waiting for more to come.

Agree. On top of that I am just having a hard time accepting that a game worked on by Cam Weber and Kolbe Launchbaugh could not come with something that left its mark.

They have two of the best in the sports gaming business. If this fails how can the finger not point anywhere except at the executives and the conclusion reached that this is not ever going to change because the creative direction is never going to change no matter who works on it.

[BigDaddyHolmes]

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I am 100% sure that Madden 25 next gen will be just like the Maddens in the past. Want to know how I can be sure of this? The following is all I need-

The Ignite Engine
TruStep
Living Worlds

Just a few of this years gimmick names EA still feels they have to throw out there to impress. Just make a good game already and drop the created names to make things look better then they are.

[inkcil]

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I am 100% sure that Madden 25 next gen will be just like the Maddens in the past. Want to know how I can be sure of this? The following is all I need-

The Ignite Engine
TruStep
Living Worlds

Just a few of this years gimmick names EA still feels they have to throw out there to impress. Just make a good game already and drop the created names to make things look better then they are.

It's actually a part of a very good business formula for financial success in this situation...take a lackluster product and highlight several of it's components by slapping a fancy name on them.

So its like I'm selling you a car with old brakes and I'm saying that the car features "true-break" technology which ensures that the break pedal is as responsive as possible. Also the steering wheel is equipped with "horn feel" which means the harder you press the horn the louder it blows, allowing you to control exactly how long and how loud you want the horn to blow. Lastly, the car has "safety lock" which means that from the moment you lock your car door, the door stays locked until you choose to unlock it. It's quite intuitive.

True Break
Horn Feel
Safety Lock

Have I sold you?

[Gosens6]

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The main thing that astonishes me is the presentation. Let's be real here, I knew we weren't getting a giant leap with gameplay on these next gen consoles, at least not this year. I knew that it would basically be a current gen port, with next gen features like ignite, living worlds, etc.

But to completely ignore the presentation elements, to completely just say F it, and leave it exactly the same blows my mind, it really does.

You have these powerful new consoles, you can literally do anything you want with the presentation. IE using the ESPN Ticker for MNF games, using NFL Network presentation for Thursday night games. More stat banners, overlays, the whole nine, and you give us the exact same presentation as current gen?

Why? I really don't get it. You tout living worlds, interactive sidelines and all this, but it's exactly the same presentation. We don't give a damn about blades of grass, how much better the stadiums look, because too be honest, when we're playing the game, we don't notice the stadium, and they looked pretty decent to begin with on current gen.

What EA calls "Presentation", we call graphics upgrade. It boggles my mind that they're still going this barebones route with their presentation elements. It's like they're mixing you being a fan at the stadium, with elements of watching it on TV. It's ugly, it doesn't work and it's about damn time you go to Real Time Presentation and get rid of the *** **** cut scenes. How can you promote a new feature called Living Worlds and you still have cut scenes?

Get it together EA, I was willing to give you a pass on this just being a port with updated gameplay elements, but the fact that you did NOTHING to improve your awful presentation is mind boggling.

[roadman]

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I am 100% sure that Madden 25 next gen will be just like the Maddens in the past. Want to know how I can be sure of this? The following is all I need-

The Ignite Engine
TruStep
Living Worlds

Just a few of this years gimmick names EA still feels they have to throw out there to impress. Just make a good game already and drop the created names to make things look better then they are.

Aren't all the EA sports games sharing the same technology or am I misinformed? The Ignite Engine is being shared all EA Sports games, FIFA, NHL and NBA. From what I've heard, it's the same with animations and living worlds.

[Gosens6]

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Aren't all the EA sports games sharing the same technology or am I misinformed? The Ignite Engine is being shared all EA Sports games, FIFA, NHL and NBA. From what I've heard, it's the same with animations and living worlds.

You are correct. The Ignite engine is powering all the EA Sports games on the Next Gen consoles.

I feel like we really need to see some real gameplay vids to really dissect how it's going to work on the field.

[Only1LT]

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The thing that I don't get, and I know that this is sort of OT, but the discussion is going this way, and it's been interesting so, what I don't get is how they could have beefed up the studio so considerably in terms of bodies, and produce what seems to be a port on next gen?

They have a team that was specifically tasked with working on next gen Madden by their own accounts. They doubled their overall manpower by their own accounts. Let's say for argument's sake, that they were really working on Ignite for 2yrs and not an actual game. That doesn't make any sense to even entertain that thought.

There is no way that the entire next gen team would be tasked with working on an engine. More than half of them are probably not qualified to develop such an engine. I don't say that as a slight against Tiburon either (for a change). The same would hold true for any studio. Not every game developer's forte is physics engines and the like. Dev studios, especially giant dev studios are more specialized than that. Even in a studio this size, there would be some that wear many hats, I don't doubt that, but there is no way that you can convince me that the ENTIRE team worked on an all encompassing next gen engine, especially when it was a collaboration of multiple EA studios, for use on every sports title, and not just Madden. There is no way. To whit, it begs the question, what was the majority of the team, that was specifically tasked with next gen Madden mind you, working on?

For that, I have absolutely no answer. I'm hoping that EA/Tiburon can answer this with a good bait and switch for a change, and show us some video of a game that actually looks like they worked on something other than PowerPoints.

[Gosens6]

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The thing that I don't get, and I know that this is sort of OT, but the discussion is going this way, and it's been interesting so, what I don't get is how they could have beefed up the studio so considerably in terms of bodies, and produce what seems to be a port on next gen?

They have a team that was specifically tasked with working on next gen Madden by their own accounts. They doubled their overall manpower by their own accounts. Let's say for argument's sake, that they were really working on Ignite for 2yrs and not an actual game. That doesn't make any sense to even entertain that thought.

There is no way that the entire next gen team would be tasked with working on an engine. More than half of them are probably not qualified to develop such an engine. I don't say that as a slight against Tiburon either (for a change). The same would hold true for any studio. Not every game developer's forte is physics engines and the like. Dev studios, especially giant dev studios are more specialized than that. Even in a studio this size, there would be some that wear many hats, I don't doubt that, but there is no way that you can convince me that the ENTIRE team worked on an all encompassing next gen engine, especially when it was a collaboration of multiple EA studios, for use on every sports title, and not just Madden. There is no way. To whit, it begs the question, what was the majority of the team, that was specifically tasked with next gen Madden mind you, working on?

For that, I have absolutely no answer. I'm hoping that EA/Tiburon can answer this with a good bait and switch for a change, and show us some video of a game that actually looks like they worked on something other PowerPoints.

It seems to me that they've done nothing but work on the Ignite Engine, the Living Worlds, etc. while game planning for the future iterations.

If they really have had a dedicated team this whole time working on Next Gen, then it's even more mind boggling that we're not seeing something that looks even a little "different" with the game, besides grass and graphics.

I mean that's why i'm so butt hurt about presentation being the same. All this man power, all this time, and you leave it exactly the same? When you tout presentation and living worlds being one of your selling points?

Count me in to being as just confused as you are.

[Only1LT]

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It seems to me that they've done nothing but work on the Ignite Engine, the Living Worlds, etc. while game planning for the future iterations.

If they really have had a dedicated team this whole time working on Next Gen, then it's even more mind boggling that we're not seeing something that looks even a little "different" with the game, besides grass and graphics.

I mean that's why i'm so butt hurt about presentation being the same. All this man power, all this time, and you leave it exactly the same? When you tout presentation and living worlds being one of your selling points?

Count me in to being as just confused as you are.

It is not possible that the entire team worked on Ignite for 2yrs. Not possible. Tiburon is not the only studio using it, nor the only one developing it. Even DICE had a hand in shaping Ignite.

Unless the next gen team is actually tiny, no one can convince me that they just worked on Ignite and that's all.

As Greg Kelly would say, "What else!"

[roadman]

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I'm just thinking there is more behind curtain #3. Or better, yet, there better be more behind curtain #3.

If there isn't, I don't know what to tell you.

I'll just sit back, put the feet up, and munch on popcorn.

[Big FN Deal]

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I've been hard lately on Madden because my frustration has been mounting and building up that legacy issues haven't been addressed for awhile.

This podcast from Cam Weber was back in June and it's the first time I've heard it. It's only 13 minutes in length and 75% of it is regarding next generation and the ignite engine.

This is why I've said I'm waiting for more info to come beating down the door because I can't believe what little I've seen for the past week.

http://reviewfix.com/2013/06/review-...ses-madden-25/

No offense to Mr Weber but give me a break, I also found an old interview about Madden 2006 for the 360 before it debuted. http://interviews.teamxbox.com/xbox/...-Interview/p1/

Might want to give it a read and consider in hindsight how EA Tiburon has since admitted about that same game being touted in the interview;

...“I was building games this time last generation. We had nothing running,” Wilson said. “We had black screens and blinking cursors. Pretty much everyone in the industry was dealing with the same thing. As an industry, we collectively got to this point in time completely unprepared.”... http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/...ective-measure

The only thing that matters about Madden is how the product turns out, EA Tiburon has done this dog and pony show of prancing out personable individuals to speak about the game repeatedly. I have nothing against Mr Weber or the other talking heads that have vouched for the effort of Madden but their words have been marginalized by the end result of the product.

I am happy for anyone that is able to enjoy or tolerate Madden and I feel for those that don't but stop hoping anything has fundamentally changed because whatchamacallit said so.

[Dogslax41]

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It is not possible that the entire team worked on Ignite for 2yrs. Not possible. Tiburon is not the only studio using it, nor the only one developing it. Even DICE had a hand in shaping Ignite.

Unless the next gen team is actually tiny, no one can convince me that they just worked on Ignite and that's all.

As Greg Kelly would say, "What else!"

I really think its a matter of the execs saying dont you dare touch the core gameplay. So the designers say ok what can we improve. So we get graphical advances and small additions (coach glass)that slightly impact the way we play the game only if we use them, but don't really change anything to the core gameplay and if you choose not to use them you are playing the exact same game. That to me is the definition of a fluff addition, if you can completly ignore it and get the same experience.

That being said, what I come back to is the one thing they havent done that would not change core gameplay at all. PRESENTATION. Why Madden does not look exactly like a game on Sunday I will never understand. Camera angles look nothing lke a broadcast. Cut scenes jar you out of the game. Barely any stat overlays or camera wipes. Cut scenes do not belong in sports games PERIOD. Yet Madden is filled with them and from what we have seen from next gen it will be again. For the life of me I just cant understand what the reasoning is for not having a halftime and weekly wrap up show that even comes close to what 2k5 had. That just flat out blows my mind and I could not even guess the logic for them not having it in Madden other than they couldnt find a way to get it in under current gen system contstraints (whoops dont have that excuse anymore).