How NBA Live Could Dethrone NBA 2K

[bumpyface]

I'm sorry but I think ea is gonna cancel this one too, they saw that small next gen 2k clip and they realized that **** was real.. Literally

Lol, Right. I'm not a 2k fanboy but seriously EA, come on. They can talk bouncetek this, physics that but ACTION speaks louder than words. The fact that they haven't shown any gameplay says it all. There going to scrap this like the scrapped the last 1. So I guess we have to continue with the canamations and blooper gameplay for now.

[Subversion]

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Lol, Right. I'm not a 2k fanboy but seriously EA, come on. They can talk bouncetek this, physics that but ACTION speaks louder than words. The fact that they haven't shown any gameplay says it all. There going to scrap this like the scrapped the last 1. So I guess we have to continue with the canamations and blooper gameplay for now.

Last three - Live 11-13'

This is the fourth failure to properly launch Live, and they have become exceedingly efficient at it.

[syxxness]

EA should think to go back to PC market ... with the community help, there will be a bunch realistic cyberfaces that can help to build their next installment of the game ... pc gamer like me wont mine the so so quality product or gameplay ... as long as the game on PC we'll happily helping it by creating something to make this game better ... remember when 2k9 on pc?? it was like "who's that dude??" the CF is like nothing close ... but every installment its getting better ... wether 2k gonna admit or not ... but similarity between community made cf and what they got on their released product are really close ....

bottom line .... back to PC world first ...

[yungflo]

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NBA 2k Never looked up to Live, I disagree, NBA 2k at first wasn't available to a broader fanbase, and the marketing giant that is EA was the reason it sold more. But critically acclaimed, it was the better game since it came into existence. If I can spit that actual, factual[as shake puts it] ea has been looking up at 2k for a long time

[yungflo]

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I thin EA's Live Died when 06 when they started introduce modifiers for flashy passes and what not. That was 06. Now another basketball game is putting flashy passes on a modifier. What is up with flashy passes being a feature in a simulation basketball game? That should be a random occurrence, like the type of situation dunks. How often does someone[not elite] make a flashy pass?

[MrBlackThumbz]

Why yall wasting yall time arguing over whos better right now... we know jack **** about either 1 except somebull**** trailers from 2k and ea some both of aint **** until they prove it yall just dick riding on some gay **** **** them old games who got next

[Ramboooo]

In related news, "How Joe Shmo can beat Floyd Mayweather in a boxing match." NBA Live is a has-been at this point, surviving on fumes from their former glory (uh when was that, I guess the 20th century?). They need new leadership, like how the Warriors went from laughing stock to contender in a few short years 'cause the owner finally sold. All dialogue about this is just. EA has done that plenty...talk. Talk is cheap, I'm waiting to see a quality product and honestly this thing hasn't been close since 1999.

[Saviour]

This just supports Saviour's case (which he is right). When Kyrie is dribbling in place, Knight only shifts his feet. It's not until Kyrie dips forward to start his stepback that Knight moves and then proceeds to get all his ankles broke. Dribbling may be big in basketball but that's never been a big issue with basketball games (maybe signature dribbling though). It's always been physics in the paint with body collisions and footwork. Live hasn't shown anything hinting at physics outside of bounceTek. 2K, on the other hand, put in work for current (and obviously next-gen) with collisions between players. Live just may flop again this year.

Thanks DurDur752. I was wondering if anyone would actually notice what happened in that video. Sizeup dribbles are only to setup a move. Size up dribbles do not make a defender move because you are taught not to move until the offensive player moves his body. Any coach worth his salt will bench you immediately if you are following the ball when someone is dribbling in front of you.
Knight was crossed up after Kyrie stepped to his right then used a step back to his left to create space. Basic basketball move that made Knight look foolish.

[Skopin]

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Knight was crossed up after Kyrie stepped to his right then used a step back to his left to create space. Basic basketball move that made Knight look foolish.

If you watch it closely, he doesn't really step to the right. He does a small stutter step after a series of size-ups, then crosses over and steps back. The size-ups set him to fake right and go left by getting Knight off balance. Knight reacted to the in-and-out dribble, then got crossed over the other way.

In either case, it's exactly what happened in the trailer. Kyrie faked left and crossed to the right.

[Saviour]

If you watch it closely, he doesn't really step to the right. He does a small stutter step after a series of size-ups, then crosses over and steps back. The size-ups set him to fake right and go left by getting Knight off balance. Knight reacted to the in-and-out dribble, then got crossed over the other way.

In either case, it's exactly what happened in the trailer. Kyrie faked left and crossed to the right.

Ok..so he leaned right, then came back to the left. Either way the defender reacted to the movement of the body. Kyrie used the stepback dribble to create space...not the size up. You use a size up to see where the defender is leaning so you can setup your move. Anyway...why are we disecting a move performed in a all star game? lol.

How does this NBA video explain the lack of gameplay video of EA NBA Live on Next Gen? We are losing focus. LOL. We need 5 vs 5 gameplay video to get a true feeling of whether this franchise replicate basketball properly. The trailer that has been released to this point doesn't make me want to stay away from 2K. That trailer actually strengthen 2K's hold on the market because they are clearly hiding 5 on 5 basketball. Show something EA!!!!

[yungflo]

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This article is like the "How to beat the heat" articles. People read them, but they in real life don't hold much weight.

That being said Live can rebuild, but its any lower than nba live 10, no one is going to restore faith in the product. Live 10 was the building block.

I hope they can do it. I'm not going to sh-t on them. After five years, thats kinda gets boring and I'm sure the nba is frustrated with them cancelling all the time. So I expect something decent.

[Boilerbuzz]

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If you watch it closely, he doesn't really step to the right. He does a small stutter step after a series of size-ups, then crosses over and steps back. The size-ups set him to fake right and go left by getting Knight off balance. Knight reacted to the in-and-out dribble, then got crossed over the other way.

In either case, it's exactly what happened in the trailer. Kyrie faked left and crossed to the right.

Dude, if you're REALLY trying to go on the premise that a defender primarily follows the ball, then your knowledge of basketball needs to be questioned. The ball is no more than a tell. Defenders don't look at the ball. You're coached to NOT follow the ball. You'd be a idiot to move on the ball. Now, you DO use the ball as a clue to what the dribbler will do. No one denies that. Showing a video of someone getting BROKE actually defeats your point.

[SoAwesome]

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Everybody saying Live has no shot of dethroning 2k are being ridiculous. I bet yall are the same people who said 2k will never dethrone Live. LOOK WHERE WE ARE NOW!

[yungflo]

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Everybody saying Live has no shot of dethroning 2k are being ridiculous. I bet yall are the same people who said 2k will never dethrone Live. LOOK WHERE WE ARE NOW!

I think people saying it isn't possible with live 14. Its a process, not a home run, which is essentially what the article is saying, but a lot of people don't read. Lol. Given the history though, 2k always has been criticially acclaimed higher than live since it came into existence. Just because something sells more, doesn't mean its better. 2k didn't have the backing it back then it has now.

Personally, I think live will turn things around like fifa did. I don't know if it will be better than 2k. I still think Wang is a boss. Live 10 is an example and Nba 2k11 is an example[after he came back and 2k9 and ten weren't as highly rated] but we'll see. I'm excited. I want to see both companies push the envelope. Without competion, I think take two has cruised on some of their efforts [nba2k9, nba2k10, and nba2k14 current gen]

[Skopin]

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Dude, if you're REALLY trying to go on the premise that a defender primarily follows the ball, then your knowledge of basketball needs to be questioned. The ball is no more than a tell. Defenders don't look at the ball. You're coached to NOT follow the ball. You'd be a idiot to move on the ball. Now, you DO use the ball as a clue to what the dribbler will do. No one denies that. Showing a video of someone getting BROKE actually defeats your point.

The point of the video was to show that dribble moves can be effective. I never said that all defenders move based on the ball. I said that sizeups can get the defender off balance to make actual movement more effective.