Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Madden NFL 25 Next-Gen with Vic Lugo

[friscob]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Madden NFL 25 Next-Gen with Vic Lugo

Not able to listen to the podcast right now. Any questions or details about improved AI. If the graphics stayed the same I wouldn't mind at all, just want to see the gameplay improved

[Senator Palmer]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Madden NFL 25 Next-Gen with Vic Lugo

I think the game looks good. Can't tell you how to feel about it, but I have no qualms with what I've seen so far.

The game has always looked good, but that's not the point. You can't choose to release as your first blog -- your first intro to the public touting your next gen product -- an entire in-depth blog on how advanced the visuals are compared to current gen and then turn around a month later saying their isn't going to be a huge leap after you get caught with your pants down behind the MNF videos. It's makes you look disingenious at best and calls to question everything else you're touting about the game.

[RateSports]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Madden NFL 25 Next-Gen with Vic Lugo

That's not what Victor said, he said there WILL be some impressive things that we see especially in the future as the developers learn the capabilities of the hardware, but initially he feels that the focus of most developers will be on what can be done gameplay wise with the new tech and power at hand.

IF NBA 2k is the same gameplay wise as current gen and just a graphical upgrade, albeit impressive, I would say that we would be just as much of a let down too. The bottom line is we need to see gameplay footage of these games not just trailers before we get too excited/disappointed. My disappointment about Madden right now is based on the gameplay footage I saw even thought it wasn't very long, it was still actual gameplay.

JP,

When, seriously, has Madden shifted their focus from graphic enhancements to gameplay enhancements?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the complaint about Madden every year since 2006 been that the graphics have improved but the gameplay is basically the same?

[friscob]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Madden NFL 25 Next-Gen with Vic Lugo

The game has always looked good, but that's not the point. You can't choose to release as your first blog -- your first intro to the public touting your next gen product -- an entire in-depth blog on how advanced the visuals are compared to current gen and then turn around a month later saying their isn't going to be a huge leap after you get caught with your pants down behind the MNF videos. It's makes you look disingenious at best and calls to question everything else you're touting about the game.

Makes you wonder if they were just overly optimistic of how it would turn out or just flat out liars. Hard to imagine somebody would be dumb enough to lie about it considering upon release we would all be able to judge the product for ourselves

[howboutdat]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Madden NFL 25 Next-Gen with Vic Lugo

out of everything vic said , i take way 3 words from his interview.... that says it all to me , call it a subtle foreshadowing...... " dont expect much" .....BAM there it is folks, you heard it first here ......next gen madden , dont expect much....

[Lexicon]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Madden NFL 25 Next-Gen with Vic Lugo

The game has always looked good, but that's not the point. You can't choose to release as your first blog -- your first intro to the public touting your next gen product -- an entire in-depth blog on how advanced the visuals are compared to current gen and then turn around a month later saying their isn't going to be a huge leap after you get caught with your pants down behind the MNF videos. It's makes you look disingenious at best and calls to question everything else you're touting about the game.

They're going to tout most of the stuff in the game over the course of time before release. I don't think that the fact that the visuals were the first thing they touted means it's most important to them. Often times, they save the biggest thing for a few weeks before release; something closer to release anyway. They want that to be the sticking point.

Either people are going to buy the game or they won't. People who buy the game will either mostly love the new mechanics and spread the word to friends or via podcasts, or they'll mostly hate it and say they aren't going to buy Madden again. Thing is, I've seen so many people on here say they're done with Madden, yet they're going to follow the game until it dies (if that ever happens). I'm certainly not saying the game will be perfect, and DEFINITELY not saying EA can do no wrong, but there is a lot to be intrigued about for hardcore players. Stuff we unfortunately won't notice until we get the game.

[NicVirtue]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Madden NFL 25 Next-Gen with Vic Lugo

I'm practically finished. I am not impressed by recent footage, and knowledge of how EA does things I'm sure "recent footage" will not change come release day. I've committed to putting my money on NBA 2K, and I haven't watch nor played a basketball game since 2006. Know little to nothing about the sport, but because at one point I was not able to distinguish whether or not I was looking at real life or a video game, I am willing to learn more about the sport and willing to indulge in the game. Madden on the other hand has not done that for me, ever. The only hope we as football gamers have is if the NFL lets 2K make an NFL game....not just "anybody", but 2K, as that would light a tremendous fire under EA and FORCE them to step their game up, considering that people still play a game that came out near 11 years ago.

[Senator Palmer]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Madden NFL 25 Next-Gen with Vic Lugo

They're going to tout most of the stuff in the game over the course of time before release. I don't think that the fact that the visuals were the first thing they touted means it's most important to them. Often times, they save the biggest thing for a few weeks before release; something closer to release anyway. They want that to be the sticking point.

Agreed on most of what you posted here, but once again, not the point.

Product releases and the P.R. that goes along with that are a very delicate thing. You only get one chance to make a first impression and you don't release a blog as your first impression touting visuals, then turn around a month later to say "oh nevermind". It smacks of incompetence and doesn't engender a lot of confidence from the consumer.

Now I'm not going to get off calling anyone liars or anything, but I seriously doubt anyone would be saying "don't expect a graphical leap" if the reaction to those MNF videos had been as positive as the presentation blog hyped it up to be.

[Lexicon]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Madden NFL 25 Next-Gen with Vic Lugo

Agreed on most of what you posted here, but once again, not the point.

Product releases and the P.R. that goes along with that are a very delicate thing. You only get one chance to make a first impression and you don't release a blog as your first impression touting visuals, then turn around a month later to say "oh nevermind". It smacks of incompetence and doesn't engender a lot of confidence from the consumer.

Now I'm not going to get off calling anyone liars or anything, but I seriously doubt anyone would be saying "don't expect a graphical leap" if the reaction to those MNF videos had been as positive as the presentation blog hyped it up to be.

Technically, their first impression was E3. But yes, the way they've handled information has been dreadful, and obviously has backfired on them. Definitley not a pretty situation. I especially frown upon the way they use social media, but I can't say that many companies have a good track record of that.

I certainly wouldn't blame anyone for not buying this version of Madden, but if you're picking up a console, might as well spend a buck to rent Madden and try out what they've been working hardest on, especially since the main complain around these parts has been gameplay for as long as I can remember.

[SageInfinite]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Madden NFL 25 Next-Gen with Vic Lugo

This whole ESPN video just reminded me of that Burger King footage from Madden 06. Yes the game ended up looking MUCH better than that, but the animations are what you got. I think it'll be the same here.

[GiantBlue76]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Madden NFL 25 Next-Gen with Vic Lugo

Here is how I am looking at it...

I want this game to be REALLY REALLY good. I want that badly. That being said I have almost ZERO faith that they will deliver.

I like Vic Lugo, actually. I think he is a very bright guy. I will say this - I don't care at all about the graphics. What I care about most is the speed, the movement, the interactions - how does it animate?

I want them to fix the mess that is under the hood and as Rich state - PLAYER MOVEMENT. That is the most fundamental aspect of any sports game. It's so bad right now in current gen that you almost laugh at it. It's silly. I will wait it out for now and see what they come up with in the coming weeks.

[Brooke2011]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Madden NFL 25 Next-Gen with Vic Lugo

Man....I just watched the trailer for nba2k14 next gen trailer, and I have to say they def did a better job with the graphical upgrade. So for this dude to say that there won't be a graphical leap from current gen to next gen, is not justified

[poster]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Madden NFL 25 Next-Gen with Vic Lugo

Based on the espn clips, the gameplay is not at all fixed. Perhaps the way the O&D line interact with each other is "fixed" (we'll see), but the player movement and animations are still bad. No clips of tackling either, so I assume they are hiding that awful mess as well.

That being said, I still don't know what kind of magic act they are pulling here with the different kinds of clips. Could be Burger King, like Sage said. (I had forgotten all about that, good memory, Sage!) Just have to wait for real gameplay, but I am sure it will only come once the You Tube crowd gets their advanced copy.

[Big FN Deal]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Madden NFL 25 Next-Gen with Vic Lugo

First off another Madden dev/talking head invoking "realism" and "simulation". At the very start of the interview to set the tone and continually throughout it, Mr Lugo emphasizes realism, yet when the game itself likely fails at reasonably meeting that goal, there will be countless "it's just a video game", "it's fun", "some people expect too much", yada, yada, yada. smh

Moving on, I could likely put my own positive spin on this interview but I refuse to, it doesn't take a team of physicists to screw in a light bulb. I respect Mr Lugo, he surely has forgotten more about physics than I will ever know but having him or anyone else try to suggest that EA Tiburon has reinvented the wheel before ever demonstrating that they can successfully make a standard wheel is not going to fly with me.

I have seen Madden on PS2/Xbox, Back Breaker and NFL2k/APF2k ALL move more realistically than M25, without Infinity, Ignite or any super new advanced next-gen tech, yet gamers are supposed to believe Madden 25 next-gen has somehow now surpassed what those games have achieved, without ever demonstrating matching it at this point. GTFO! lol

[GiantBlue76]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Madden NFL 25 Next-Gen with Vic Lugo

I have seen Madden on PS2/Xbox, Back Breaker and NFL2k/APF2k ALL move more realistically than M25, without Infinity, Ignite or any super new advanced next-gen tech, yet gamers are supposed to believe Madden 25 next-gen has somehow now surpassed what those games have achieved, without ever demonstrating matching it at this point.

This right here could not be more right on the money.