Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Madden NFL 25 Next-Gen with Vic Lugo

[ThrowBack]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Madden NFL 25 Next-Gen with Vic Lugo

This whole ESPN video just reminded me of that Burger King footage from Madden 06. Yes the game ended up looking MUCH better than that, but the animations are what you got. I think it'll be the same here.

I just looked up an old article regarding the 06 Burger King video and it's crazy how similar the comments were back then to what's being posted now about the MNF video.

“To be fair, the video was rather poorly encoded so there may well be some astounding detail and texture that didn't survive the encoding process. Still, if this is what passes for a launch title, the 360 is in big, big trouble come Christmas. “



“Regardless if we were shown that artist's interpretation or not, the next gen visuals should stun us. The jump from PS1 to PS2 was astounding. Even if we weren't shown the artist's interpretation, we should be left in awe, but we aren't. Those animations look recycled. “

[Gjordan]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Madden NFL 25 Next-Gen with Vic Lugo

out of everything vic said , i take way 3 words from his interview.... that says it all to me , call it a subtle foreshadowing...... " dont expect much" .....BAM there it is folks, you heard it first here ......next gen madden , dont expect much....

That's about what I'm expecting....."Not much".

[Gotmadskillzson]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Madden NFL 25 Next-Gen with Vic Lugo

So basically, to sum up this podcast, Madden 25 next gen is a game you have to play to notice the difference between current gen. That is pretty much what Vic Lugo said over and over again. Seems like every year EA is revamping locomotion. They said before 09, 10, 11, 12, 13, current gen Madden 25 and now next gen Madden 25 there is a brand new locomotion engine that better handles acceleration and cuts. So basically next gen Madden 25 will have precision modifier 2.0 and infinity engine 3.0

That pretty much sums it up. Yeah it will look the same, but it will feel different in your hands with precision modifier 2.0 and infinity engine 3.0. But I guess calling infinity engine 3.0 the Ignite Engine sound more cooler and flashier.

[stmark]

Ha at graphics won't take a great leap ..The madden team and Ea need to go look at 2k smh. These guys must think we are idiots

[GiantBlue76]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Madden NFL 25 Next-Gen with Vic Lugo

The ignite engine is not a gameplay engine, so it's different than what infinity is. It's a collection of tools that they can use across their games and across platforms to share the technology that powers the elements in those games.

[royounggoku]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Madden NFL 25 Next-Gen with Vic Lugo

It looked good, but that's not a huge jump from what 2K was doing to me. I think Madden stacks up similarly when you do side by side comparisons as far as graphical improvements go.

My main point about that was: This is not a PS1 blocky polygon to PS2 smooth polygon leap this time around.

Lol I'm all for good debates but you're flat out wrong

[Lexicon]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Madden NFL 25 Next-Gen with Vic Lugo

Lol I'm all for good debates but you're flat out wrong

I figured I couldn't get through a thread without this happening here.

Anyway, I've gotten my two cents in. I look forward to testing out some new mechanics.

[roadman]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Madden NFL 25 Next-Gen with Vic Lugo

I could give a rat's rear about graphics, always have, always will. Heck, I played HH baseball on the PC with burned out faces and ugly staduims and all, but it was all about the game play.

And HH rocked with game play.

I need to see video of movement and AI, plain and simple.

[dghustla]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Madden NFL 25 Next-Gen with Vic Lugo

So basically, to sum up this podcast, Madden 25 next gen is a game you have to play to notice the difference between current gen. That is pretty much what Vic Lugo said over and over again. Seems like every year EA is revamping locomotion. They said before 09, 10, 11, 12, 13, current gen Madden 25 and now next gen Madden 25 there is a brand new locomotion engine that better handles acceleration and cuts. So basically next gen Madden 25 will have precision modifier 2.0 and infinity engine 3.0

That pretty much sums it up. Yeah it will look the same, but it will feel different in your hands with precision modifier 2.0 and infinity engine 3.0. But I guess calling infinity engine 3.0 the Ignite Engine sound more cooler and flashier.

Here is why EA can't ever win. As you mentioned they've revamped locomotion several times in an attempt to get it right and more realistic. You didn't like any of the previous editions, shouldn't you be happy they are trying again?

Now I understand your frustrations how many times before it's "right"? And every time they have to fix locomotion they can't fix say the passing engine. I'd like to see them get these things right the first time but at least they recognize they aren't working properly.

[dat swag]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Madden NFL 25 Next-Gen with Vic Lugo

Couldn't agree more. I really didn't want to post that video, but I felt compelled especially after listening to Vic in that interview.

I couldn't DISAGREE more...The madden graphical leap and 2k graphical leaps IMO are both slight and not that big...Both look great to me but to say one is a bigger more pronounced leap than the other for me is Stretch.

[radatdude2]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Madden NFL 25 Next-Gen with Vic Lugo

bottom line is madden needs graphical updates and is in desperate need of game play updates going into next gen, other games not so much of the game play updates required. Because how much room is there to improve on an already good game from a game play perspective. example fifa and that basketball title by some other developer.

[TerryP]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Madden NFL 25 Next-Gen with Vic Lugo

26 days to release, and dev indicated the game is finished, just doesn't give me a good feeling when we can't see any actual gameplay videos. What he said sure sounded good though.

[UptheARSEnal]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Madden NFL 25 Next-Gen with Vic Lugo

Sounds like typical Madden PR talk to me.


They really need to hire some football people to make this game. Quit talking about your engine, the impact modifier and all of this other marketing crap and tell me if you fixed zone defense, WR/CB and OL/DL interactions, finally have realistic gang tackling...etc.etc.

[Gjordan]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Madden NFL 25 Next-Gen with Vic Lugo

I don't buy any of it! I've been playing madden since 89'. No doubt they've had some good games over the years and that's all been discussed on here before, but I have been sick of the junk they have produced over the last 6 years and expect us to stomach it as a good game of football. This is a new console with so much more power! It should be noticeable in "every area of the game", not just graphics or gameplay or physics. All of it should be soooo much better. It's already been mentioned, but at a time when we should all be drooling over graphics and gameplay, most of us are bitterly contemplating canceling our orders. This game should not just feel like another year to year update. That is sad fellas. You know when JP can't find anything good to say....... That's sad.

EA is a corporation that is trying to sell us a "yard stick" if you will. While most company's are selling it to you "2 to 3 inches at a time, their selling an 1/8th of an inch at a time.


But then again we all know why there able to do that, don't we?

[Gotmadskillzson]

Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: Madden NFL 25 Next-Gen with Vic Lugo

Here is why EA can't ever win. As you mentioned they've revamped locomotion several times in an attempt to get it right and more realistic. You didn't like any of the previous editions, shouldn't you be happy they are trying again?

Now I understand your frustrations how many times before it's "right"? And every time they have to fix locomotion they can't fix say the passing engine. I'd like to see them get these things right the first time but at least they recognize they aren't working properly.

Don't know how you assumed that from what I wrote. I quite enjoy current gen Madden 25. Hell I enjoyed Madden 13 as well.

With that said, EA's pattern every year is that they say something is fixed and changed, then a year or two later say the thing they said in the past was fixed, was really not fixed, but hey, we just fixed it NOW. Then come next year they will say hey true step really didn't fix anything, but Madden 15 is totally fixed and reinvented, we flew in a team from Sweden who can crack nuclear atoms in their sleep, they are now in charge of physics. Then we hired a hall of fame Running Back, he will be in charged of ball carrier game play.

So the problem never was they don't recognize something isn't right, they always do, just a year later when they want people to buy their new game. When the game is currently out, they don't address things like they should with tuners, that is the problem. Instead of fixing little things here and there throughout the year of a current game, they instead want tackle 15 things at once with just one massive patch, that always end up messing else up. Then they will say, well, our massive sledge hammer approach didn't work, oh well, we moved to working on next year's game, we will TRY to address it then in next year's game.

Less sledge hammer approach, more surgical precision is needed. The way EA handles thing is like the following:

A person get shot in the arm, instead of just taking the bullet out the arm, EA just chops the whole arm off and says oops, I will just create you an artificial arm for you instead.