Madden NFL 25 Next Gen Video - True Step & Enhanced Graphics (QJB)

[bucky60]

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Agreed. Doesn't mean we should hold back on the critque of that total oversell though!

The living worlds...oversold.
The truestep...oversold.
The AI.....uh oh.

I'm not advocating holding back on the critique, just stating what it will take for me to put money down on a purchase.

[apollon42]

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Lmao that was pretty funny. Infinity commentary .......YouTube guys..........lol

That is a great commentary if EAs marketing campaign. I thought it was real at first because that's how bad the commentary sounds.

[royounggoku]

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Hoping this next vid today gives a better idea on what can be expected.

[SageInfinite]

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We are 10 days away from release and we have only seen war in the trenches. That might be very telling. If what we have seen in the latest video is what living worlds is going to be in the final build well then I don't expect to see a living worlds or AI blog. Because they probably can't live up to the promise. Kind of like true step being only true to a couple guys on the field. So if true step isn't so true and living worlds aren't so alive then I can't imagine AI being as smart as they were first claiming.

They actually already did the AI blog. The only thing left is Living Worlds. I assume that would be next week if not today.

[roadman]

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They actually already did the AI blog. The only thing left is Living Worlds. I assume that would be next week if not today.

oops, they did the AI blog?

When, did I miss that?

Is that just players sense, if it is that only, I will have a bird.

[reverend_heat]

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oops, they did the AI blog?

When, did I miss that?

Is that just players sense, if it is that only, I will have a bird.

Get the nest ready

[TheRealHST]

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I think its a matter of laziness. This has been a great thread and there were alot of things called out. Rightfully so. I want Madden to be great not just serviceable. The crowd is disappointing. We were told of all the power these new consoles have and some games have already show that.

I keep saying Madden needs a whole new team of people. Ian Cummings and crew new to go. No offense , but these same people keep doing the same things over and over. Madden needs to be built from the ground up completely

[SageInfinite]

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oops, they did the AI blog?

When, did I miss that?

Is that just players sense, if it is that only, I will have a bird.

Yes, Player Sense was the AI blog, lol. SMH.

[roadman]

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I think its a matter of laziness. This has been a great thread and there were alot of things called out. Rightfully so. I want Madden to be great not just serviceable. The crowd is disappointing. We were told of all the power these new consoles have and some games have already show that.

I keep saying Madden needs a whole new team of people. Ian Cummings and crew new to go. No offense , but these same people keep doing the same things over and over. Madden needs to be built from the ground up completely

I really don't meant to be crass or anything, but I had to read this twice to make sure I wasn't seeing things.

Ian left two years ago and Cam Weber is in charge.

[Eski33]

Liking the vid. Also like the Oilers uniforms. Awesome

[frankwyte81]

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You guys are silly, I mean I understand your frustration with Madden over the years and all but sheesh, you guys have to know that this is the beginning of this generation. Take a look a the games that came out in 2006(launch of the XBOX360). they were minor step ups from the 1st gen XBOX but just HD. Look at Madden 2006 until now and see how its transformed. The game looks better. Not by leaps and bounds, but better nontheless. You expect them to have everything fixed in one generation? I have complained about Madden for years, but personally I'm liking the direction they are going in.

I don't know about you, but I'm tired of saying and hearing that Madden is going in the right direction. We have been saying since 2007. Since it's going in the right direction, when is it going to reach it's destination? The only reason EA Sports keep taking baby steps is because of people that think like you and your positive attitude towards mediocrity.

We've had 8 years of mediocrity, **** needs to change. Yes, honestly I do expect them to have the game fixed after 8 years, they broke in 1 year (Madden 2006). See, the lack of competition results into this lazy BS that we call Madden today. If there weren't any license restrictions, Madden would probably be in the same boat as EA's basketball game.

[The_Balm]

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I really don't meant to be crass or anything, but I had to read this twice to make sure I wasn't seeing things.

Ian left two years ago and Cam Weber is in charge.

Even more than two years ago, he left in April 2011. Man, I loved Ian too, I was so sad to see him go. I've always respected his opinions, it's always a great Press Row Podcast episode when his on.

[Kaiser Wilhelm]

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On EA's official Madden NG website:

"In the past, we could only render 16 crowd characters on cards. Now they’ll be 3D, and we’re going to create crowds that have indiscernible patterns to where it feels like there are tens of thousands of people in the stands."

The tense of the verb, going, suggests future tense. If it was past tense, it would have been "have" and if it was present the term word would have been "are." I read that statement as a "expect this in the future" sort of thing.

Also, to the comparisons to MLB The Show and NBA2k, what is the average size of and MLB Stadium, 45k on the generous size? I won't even throw a guess for an NBA or NHL arena. An average NFL stadium is what, 75-70K?

I think EA botched this when they decided to render everybody in the stadium. We really only need the first, what, 50 rows to look good enough for cutscenes? I'd rather have 2d crowds and an improved sideline compared to the reverse. That said, I want better gameplay and could not care less about any graphical improvements.

[jpdavis82]

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I really don't meant to be crass or anything, but I had to read this twice to make sure I wasn't seeing things.

Ian left two years ago and Cam Weber is in charge.

Even then, Ian and Cam are in two different places. Phil Frazier was working above Ian and Cam Weber would be working above Phil Frazier if he and Ian were there today. I know people like to compare Ian and Cam, but Cam is quite a bit higher in authority and decision making then Ian ever came close to being. Basically everything since Madden 13 has been implemented gameplay wise because of Cam and his plan and direction for the game. Current gen limitatitions have been holding them back, Madden 25 next gen is the tip of the iceberg. This franchise is going some place very special very soon. I think starting with Madden 15 people will really begin to catch the vision for what Cam is doing. They're getting the foundation for things like true step, living worlds, player sense ai on M25, but they're far from where they want to go with these things soon.

[Crimsontide27]

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Even then, Ian and Cam are in two different places. Phil Frazier was working above Ian and Cam Weber would be working above Phil Frazier if he and Ian were there today. I know people like to compare Ian and Cam, but Cam is quite a bit higher in authority and decision making then Ian ever came close to being. Basically everything since Madden 13 has been implemented gameplay wise because of Cam and his plan and direction for the game. Current gen limitatitions have been holding them back, Madden 25 next gen is the tip of the iceberg. This franchise is going some place very special very soon. I think starting with Madden 15 people will really begin to catch the vision for what Cam is doing. They're getting the foundation for things like true step, living worlds, player sense ai on M25, but they're far from where they want to go with these things soon.

This post intrigued me. Im curious as to your level of expertise on what direction that Madden has been going that could not be implemented on current gen systems and magically everything will be ok with the new Gen4 series. Feel free to lay it out to me in laymans terms, as Im not very experienced in game development....