Madden NFL 25 Next Gen Video - War in the Trenches & Passing Pockets (QJB)

[TheBuddyHobbs]

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You are correct, I stand corrected, but I just don't feel it's needed to generalize CGer's and lump all in one boat, there are some that are beneficial.

And Charter said it better than I did and I agree with him. Before, they were outsiders looking in, now they know the process better than we do. That speaks volumes.

They know EA's process. It's the only one they have seen. Look at the other next-gen sports game coming in it's first year on the new generation. Now take a look at Madden. Madden isn't an upgrade compared to that. Because that game had the same amount of time as Madden I can't say the first game of next-gen is a valid excuse. The thing is people have accepted Madden's mediocrity so much that small improvements looks like a giant step.

[charter04]

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That is one game changer and like I said I am not naming names.

But it hasn't gotten better at all in mine and a lot of sim gamers eyes. We still have such a long way to go. I haven't enjoyed Madden since Madden 10 and that game wasn't ground breaking either. Madden has so many important issues unresolved. It's not nit picking when we still have a lot of basic stuff looking bad.

Two of the biggest problems sim gamers like myself wanted worked on is OL/DL interactions and footplanting. I'm not saying those are 100% fixed but, they are addressing it. I don't think they would have sold that many fewer games had they not made the changes that started in Madden 13. They might have sold more had they just keep it as it was in 12. So that shows me those Sim game changers have made a impact.

[roadman]

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While true, it's also true that people who have human interaction with one are less than likely to criticize that person publicly. Would you disagree?

If we want to have faith that some of the GC'ers are giving criticism behind closed doors you won't get an argument from me.

But short a few of them, based on before gc and after gc posts, I will have to say that it isn't true when it comes to public criticism.

Nothing I disagree with here, I just feel they are more knowledgeable on the process and the current leadership. I think I heard Moody once say that he now understands the what when and why's or something similar to that.

[roadman]

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They know EA's process. It's the only one they have seen. Look at the other next-gen sports game coming in it's first year on the new generation. Now take a look at Madden. Madden isn't an upgrade compared to that. Because that game had the same amount of time as Madden I can't say the first game of next-gen is a valid excuse. The thing is people have accepted Madden's mediocrity so much that small improvements looks like a giant step.

Are you now putting words in my mouth? lol

I've never said it's time to give them excuses or whatnot, I understand the frustrations, but I can see where the game is headed, slowly but shirley.

[charter04]

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Come on man, hasn't gotten better at all? I'm a sim gamer through and through, so is charter, so is a guy like roadman, kehlis, etc.

I'm sure all of us can agree from Madden 06 to now, the game has improved TREMENDOUSLY. Yeah, it's definitely not where it should be, but to say all sim guys share the same sentiment that the game hasn't improved is just wrong.

Exactly. I know there are issues. I'm just not going to be one of these overly critical guys. It's cute to criticize some game changers but, they have actually made a difference. Constantly bashing every little problem in the game and always bringing up 2k football won't do anything but, drive EA away from these forums

[SmashMan]

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JP, sorry but you defended Madden then you bashed Madden like us now you defend Madden again. Which one is it?

Why do people have to be one or the other?

...lol at this random bashing of the credibility of the GameChangers again. We just had this discussion. People wanted critics from YouTube to be able to give feedback on the game. EA brought them in, and now these same critics are pushovers who now no longer want the same sim things they wanted before.

[TheBuddyHobbs]

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Here is the problem, look at everything Madden implements that makes the game better. Now notice nothing seems to be as good as EA hypes it up to be. Physics is what everybody wanted. They gave it to us, right? Not exactly.

They added physics kind of. Weight, strength, and momentum don't seem to matter. Everybody can do everything everybody else can do. Where is the gang tackling? This was something that a physics less Madden 10 had. Tackling looked better in that game without physics that's bad. Where are all these new and never see it again tackling animations?

True step, cool feature, but again something not fully implemented. Why is it only the ball carriers and user controlled defenders?

Living worlds, why does the sideline look static? Why are people on the sidelines looking backwards and at the crowd? Why are the sidelines unreactive? Why did the Vikings fans in the crowd not react to the Peterson touchdown other than standing up?

My point is Madden will do something that sounds better in theory, but they fail to deliver in game. Is Madden 25 an improve over Madden 06? Why is this even a question? Of course it is. But how much has Madden improved over the last couple years? Not much.

[dat boi Q]

They know EA's process. It's the only one they have seen. Look at the other next-gen sports game coming in it's first year on the new generation. Now take a look at Madden. Madden isn't an upgrade compared to that. Because that game had the same amount of time as Madden I can't say the first game of next-gen is a valid excuse. The thing is people have accepted Madden's mediocrity so much that small improvements looks like a giant step.

Hobbs I feel u
Some guys can wait another 8 years for a decent football game
Madden 25 was decent in there eyes
I am done waiting for EA to get football right again
Little improvements year after year isn't cutting it for me and next thing u know this rev team will be gone and there goes another dev team crying gives them three years too

[TheBuddyHobbs]

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Are you now putting words in my mouth? lol

I've never said it's time to give them excuses or whatnot, I understand the frustrations, but I can see where the game is headed, slowly but shirley.

If you are referring to accepting mediocrity I wasn't referring to you. Was referring to people that just seem to accept it as it's okay.

[TheBuddyHobbs]

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Why do people have to be one or the other?

...lol at this random bashing of the credibility of the GameChangers again. We just had this discussion. People wanted critics from YouTube to be able to give feedback on the game. EA brought them in, and now these same critics are pushovers who now no longer want the same sim things they wanted before.

I said they are filtered with what they say. They aren't speaking their minds like they used as far as WE can see. I didn't say they aren't simulation anymore. And just so you know some of the game changers don't play a simulation style game. Just watch their videos and you will see. There are a lot of game changers... I'm only referring to a couple.

[roadman]

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Here is the problem, look at everything Madden implements that makes the game better. Now notice nothing seems to be as good as EA hypes it up to be. Physics is what everybody wanted. They gave it to us, right? Not exactly.

They added physics kind of. Weight, strength, and momentum don't seem to matter. Everybody can do everything everybody else can do. Where is the gang tackling? This was something that a physics less Madden 10 had. Tackling looked better in that game without physics that's bad.

Where are all these new and never see it again tackling animations?

True step, cool feature, but again something not fully implemented. Why is it only the ball carriers and user controlled defenders?

Living worlds, why does the sideline look static? Why are people on the sidelines looking backwards and at the crowd? Why are the sidelines unreactive? Why did the Vikings fans in the crowd not react to the Peterson touchdown other than standing up?

My point is Madden will do something that sounds better in theory, but they fail to deliver in game. Is Madden 13 an improve over Madden 06? Was is this even a question? Of course it is. But how much has Madden improved over the last couple years? Not much.

Ok, I understand what you are saying, if you read or heard the interview from Rex and Clint last week, we know the direction they want to go in, but we also know it will take awhile to get there.

That interview was the first interview (besides the 2k comparison and tourney 200K mention) that finally had some candor on the direction and how long it will take to get there. I was happy to hear the first part, simulation, but not so happy to hear it will take a few years to get some things that are badly needed.

At least we have a direction and a time frame to follow. If they can't adhere to that, I'm not the only one that will blow up.

[roadman]

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If you are referring to accepting mediocrity I wasn't referring to you. Was referring to people that just seem to accept it as it's okay.

Well, yeah, but there are 5 million people outside this forum and other forums that accept mediocrity.

[Papa D]

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Ok so throwing animations haven't been improved on next gen yet, proves nothing. The O/D line play alone is more improvement in core gameplay than we saw from 06-12.

What Rex and Cam are doing and will be bringing in the future, is unlike anything that's ever been seen in Madden. What Ian and others did is not even close to comparable.

That's great JD, im glad they did improve the Dline/Oline animation gameplay. Imo I thought it actually looked better, still looks stiff but better. BUT... the one concern about EA and their staff of Dev's is, are they just going to work on one problem area each year??? What I mean is, it looks like they focused all their man power and talent in just one of the many issues that Madden has lacked!! Like for instance, is that all they can handle in a 1 year cycle??

That's horrible if you ask me.. So each year they will fix one thing that Madden lacks? Next up is what? CB/WR animations??? So by the time they get everything right there will be another Next Gen console coming out?? Its sad that this stuff should have been fixed a long time ago!! this is not new stuff, 2K has done this type of animations 10+ years ago?! How long is it going to take for them to finally catch up?? That's the real question.. People are getting tired of waiting for EA to finally catch up! When?

[charter04]

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If you are referring to accepting mediocrity I wasn't referring to you. Was referring to people that just seem to accept it as it's okay.

Who's accepting it? Maybe some do. Not me. I just can't do anymore than some GC's are. So I'm going to make lemonade out of lemons. I'm not even saying Madden is terrible. I'm just saying that it is what it is. I guess I had different next gen expectations. I didn't expect the football game we've all wanted. I expect to see more move that way. Until I play the game myself it's speculation anyway.

[kjcheezhead]

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Over all, when you pause on an image of the pocket, it forms nicely. But in motion, the players are still doing weird twists, and shifts. Watch 62 in the back. What kind of footwork is this? There is a ballerina in that man just begging to get out. Edit: The gif is too fast, watch the video at 37 sec to see what I mean.

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The wr/db interaction is horrible. Identical to current gen. The improved ai, players making 60 calculations a second is bs, plain and simple.

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Look at both the dbs. Mirroring the wrs routes, running behind and almost in front of the wrs instead of trying to get between the qb and the wr. Also, look at the play on the ball, the db warps in front of the wr and then swats at the ball while continuing to run towards the LOS. Horrible. It would look a lot more realistic if the db tried to hit the wrs arm as the ball gets there or just make the tackle cause no pee wee player would do what he did..

With the few videos we have gotten, why is the focus only on pass blocking? The AP vid had some promising moments of engaged players flowing with run plays? That's a potential game changer in the run game, why doesn't any one want to point that out? Is it still there?

One more thing I'll put my two cents in on. The sidelines look completely static and the fans are about as good as current NBA2k and the Show. Not something that is real important to me, but def some false advertising there imo.