Madden NFL 25 Next Gen Video - War in the Trenches & Passing Pockets (QJB)

[PacMan3000]

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I think that portions of this look pretty good. But my ultimate problem with this next gen game goes back to E3, when Cam Weber presented that trailer as, in his words, "actual gameplay footage."

And since then, I have seen this game get farther and farther away from that. From the RB cuts we saw in that trailer (check it out here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSPXoZ1ARI4), to the dirt and mud on players' jerseys, to RG3 dropping back and scanning the field before taking off--I'm not seeing ANY of that dynamic ability, player models (compare Tom Brady in this new video to RG3 or Russell Wilson in the E3 trailer) or movement in these new videos, despite what we were told was "in game footage." Personally, this isn't even living up to what Cam showed during the IGN demo of AP running against the 'Skins, either (which, personally, I was impressed by).

So I feel lied to, and that's not sitting well with me. I know EA devs dislike the "hate" they get on these boards, but the truth is that whoever is in charge and running the show over there is being blatantly disingenuous.

[jpdavis82]

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I think that portions of this look pretty good. But my ultimate problem with this next gen game goes back to E3, when Cam Weber presented that trailer as, in his words, "actual gameplay footage."

And since then, I have seen this game get farther and farther away from that. From the RB cuts we saw in that trailer (check it out here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSPXoZ1ARI4), to the dirt and mud on players' jerseys, to RG3 dropping back and scanning the field before taking off--I'm not seeing ANY of that dynamic ability, player models (compare Tom Brady in this new video to RG3 or Russell Wilson in the E3 trailer) or movement in these new videos, despite what we were told was "in game footage." Personally, this isn't even living up to what Cam showed during the IGN demo of AP running against the 'Skins, either (which, personally, I was impressed by).

So I feel lied to, and that's not sitting well with me. I know EA devs dislike the "hate" they get on these boards, but the truth is that whoever is in charge and running the show over there is being blatantly disingenuous.

I felt like the true step video Thursday was very close to what we saw at E3, probably the closest thing to it that we've seen yet.

[PacMan3000]

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I felt like the true step video Thursday was very close to what we saw at E3, probably the closest thing to it that we've seen yet.

I always like your positivity JP, but would you not agree that in general, what we have seen post-E3 hasn't matched what we saw at E3, despite the fact that the man running the show for Madden said himself that the E3 footage was "actual in game" footage?

[roadman]

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As opposed to roughly 12 million happy NFL video game football customers in 2004.

If Madden was good it could theoretically sell 10 million no problem. This once proud, beloved franchise now only survives because of it's exclusive NFL license.

If this game had to compete in an open market it would be lucky to crack a million or two from the die hards and name recognition. Then again with competition I doubt the game would be in the state it's been in the past 9 years. Sad, sad but true.

5 million units a year is not a success for the only NFL game on the market, it's a massive failure, whether it's profitable or not.

The 5 million units a year wasn't my point.

It's been in a bad state for 9 yrs. So, is a magic wand going to be pulled out with rabbit tricks and just like that, instant NFL football game?

Discouraging as hell because of the 9 yrs, but 9 yrs of crap and crud won't instantly become NFL realistic football game. That's why you have Rex stating a few more years.

[CT Pitbull]

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Whatever you do, don't look at the footwork in the video. You'll wonder where the skates are...

Wish we could get through to EA Sports that they have to replace the movement / footwork in the game. It's a game of movement, if you don't get that right, then everything else will suffer.

couldn't agree more with your second point. If the way guys move is off before they even code them to make a "football move or motion" it is ALL going to look OFF. Too much wonky, not enough smooth.


To me it just still looks like there is a lack of GRAVITY with every player on the field. Even the 2 players who are utilizing "true step". when these monster sized athletes take a stride going full speed. or when a d-lineman is digging around the edge of the tackle its their legs and feet straining for every inch of ground. Just look at any pass rushers feet and how much force is going into the ground fighting for leverage. The turf is flying up with every step. Maddens players still seem to be disconnected from the actual playing surface. It makes everything look so "floaty".


True step looks good as does the war in the trenches. Both are an upgrade. But IMO it wont look right till they get the weight and gravity of these digital players correct, and truly put their feet ON the ground. Not above it.

[ghettogeeksta]

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No offense to this guy but why are we getting updates from him and not EA?

And that Tom Brady build shows just how bad this game is. You can't even take the time to make Tom Brady look decent?

EA figures if someone else says the game is good besides them, then other people will think it's a good game too. Its one of the oldest tactics to gain support. For example, you may not believe what the President says but if one of your friends, peers, a person you have alot in common with explains it to you they will most likely convince you to believe what the President says.

[jpdavis82]

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I always like your positivity JP, but would you not agree that in general, what we have seen post-E3 hasn't matched what we saw at E3, despite the fact that the man running the show for Madden said himself that the E3 footage was "actual in game" footage?

Everything that we've seen from EA has been on par with what we saw at E3. We haven't really seen much and that's the problem. We probably saw more at E3 or as much, as we have seen in the last month. Hopefully one of these videos today or tomorrow will show some 11 vs 11 from a normal camera angle.

[roadman]

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No offense to this guy but why are we getting updates from him and not EA?

He's a CGer that was down there recently and a few of them captured videos to release.

[ABR173rd]

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I felt like the true step video Thursday was very close to what we saw at E3, probably the closest thing to it that we've seen yet.

And the game still does't look nearly as polished as it should. The graphics in general have a "matted" look and have looked progressively sub par as more in game footage is being released. Like some other posters have pointed out I need to see actual gameplay from the default camera angle played in real time and then in slow mo to get some real insight into how this game is going to play out.

We can get all the zoomed in replay camera angles EA want's to feed us but the reality is no one stops and replays every play on a super zoomed in angle to examine the game. If I don't notice the majority of these features during actual gameplay then they are worthless. And even going back to the previous "True Step" video, in slow mo, zoomed in, it still didn't seem that impressive...

[SageInfinite]

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Everything that we've seen from EA has been on par with what we saw at E3. We haven't really seen much and that's the problem. We probably saw more at E3 or as much, as we have seen in the last month. Hopefully one of these videos today or tomorrow will show some 11 vs 11 from a normal camera angle.

Nah man. Some of the animations in the E3 trailer have not been present in the recent footage. RG III scanning the field in the pocket, the smooth transition of standing in the pocket to scrambling, the Marshawn Lynch smooth juke animation, AP breaking the gang tackle, and the new endzone dive.

I'm not saying that stuff isn't in the game, but we have not seen any evidence of it. Especially the animation where RGIII is scanning the field in the pocket. From what we've seen it's been the same generic stiff bouncing animation.

[bucky60]

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I tell my boss last week's report was obviously flawed, but I've listened to his criticisms, and this week's is the best report ever. My use of True Facts (tm) and Infinity Font (tm) will change the way reports are written. Last week's report was riddled with logical inconsistencies, flimsy fabrications, fudged statistics, and terrible abuses of the English language, but this week's is a marvel of flawless thinking and writing. I've literally doubled the time devoted to report writing, a wise decision that will ensure top quality reports for weeks to come.

Except it only works on one line for each page of the report.

[Earl1963]

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Love how his face ask morphs into his shoulder pads. And how he looks like a Koopa troopa from the Mario movie.

LOL, but Steph Curry looks like him as well in 2k14.

[royounggoku]

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LOL, but Steph Curry looks like him as well in 2k14.

Koopa Twins

[PacMan3000]

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And the game still does't look nearly as polished as it should. The graphics in general have a "matted" look and have looked progressively sub par as more in game footage is being released. Like some other posters have pointed out I need to see actual gameplay from the default camera angle played in real time and then in slow mo to get some real insight into how this game is going to play out.

We can get all the zoomed in replay camera angles EA want's to feed us but the reality is no one stops and replays every play on a super zoomed in angle to examine the game. If I don't notice the majority of these features during actual gameplay then they are worthless. And even going back to the previous "True Step" video, in slow mo, zoomed in, it still didn't seem that impressive...

I would be okay with the zoomed in promotional replays EA does if that was truly how the broadcast in-game presentation presented replays to us.

The problem is that they go through all this trouble to make pores visible and veins pop out, and have the feet movement look super real, but then the in-game replay angles are all bland medium angle shots that are uninspired and neither break down the play nor show off the game's incredible graphics.

If the True Step replay footage was actual in-game footage of Phil Simms breaking down a long run by Adrian Peterson by specifically talking about his footwork running through a hole, how great would that be? Then I'd be impressed. Otherwise, it's more fluff than substance, because it isn't footage that we automatically see during gameplay/presentation.

[Brooke2011]

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Koopa Twins

At least they updated the patriots end zone with the right logo judging from that pic.