Madden NFL 25 Next Gen Video - IGNITE Technology & Next-Gen Visuals (QJB)

[bc21045]

Re: Madden NFL 25 Next Gen Video - IGNITE Technology & Next-Gen Visuals (QJB)

I wish. It'll be what EA puts into it. These guys are fighting with (at least) one hand tied behind their backs. Marketing still has its way with all these features, and there still isn't enough investment to improve all areas of the game each year. In past years EA has flat out ignored certain modes (like franchise) because they didn't have the "time."

Really though they didn't want to spend, and that hasn't changed. Yes, sometimes it hurts a project to have too many people. But this game has SO many problems. Someone needs to figure out why plays run in 4 seconds in SuperSim, why the wind arrow is fail, why the sim stats are off, why auto subs fail, why punted balls bounce explosively, etc. Some of these problems could be fixed without people tripping over each other in the office if EA cared.

That's not even touching all the additions to the game that people would like, or the subtractions we'd like to see undone. Why has no one added back in real injury designations or formation sub menus, for example? Because having enough manpower to add sim features isn't a priority. Do you think Cam & Rex will use their vast personal fortunes to hire more good people to tune existing features, restore options we used to have, and do good QA work on this game?

This is what I was getting at asking if the entire team had been replaced. They're just not good at making football games, no matter the direction. Focusing on sim isn't gonna magically make them able to put out a (relatively) bug free game where all the features work as intended.

[jpdavis82]

Re: Madden NFL 25 Next Gen Video - IGNITE Technology & Next-Gen Visuals (QJB)

If you guys were hired by EA today as the GM, what would you say or do to assure people you were going to deliver a great product?

[TheBuddyHobbs]

Re: Madden NFL 25 Next Gen Video - IGNITE Technology & Next-Gen Visuals (QJB)

If you guys were hired by EA today as the GM, what would you say or do to assure people you were going to deliver a great product?

Actions are what matters. I would show them. Not tell them. We are less than 2 weeks from release and they haven't really shown us anything. Probably because they have nothing to show...

[bc21045]

Re: Madden NFL 25 Next Gen Video - IGNITE Technology & Next-Gen Visuals (QJB)

If you guys were hired by EA today as the GM, what would you say or do to assure people you were going to deliver a great product?

These guys weren't hired today. They could've started work on next gen 2 years ago, not released a game on next gen this year and put out madden 15 with 3 "cycles" of work and had a much improved product. I'm sure it wasn't their decision but that means nothing to me as a consumer.

[hawley088]

Re: Madden NFL 25 Next Gen Video - IGNITE Technology & Next-Gen Visuals (QJB)

I am getting this game for my birthday, but now, I dont even know if I want someone else spending money on it for me

[kjcheezhead]

Re: Madden NFL 25 Next Gen Video - IGNITE Technology & Next-Gen Visuals (QJB)

The game is going to be sim minded, even though Clint said that, he also said they're going to work on getting bad snaps in the game. What these guys are trying to do is a complete transformation of what Madden is about. There's an extremely high risk involved but they want sim and are willing to take it. The things they have in mind will have casual gamers furious.

Casuals won't be furious at a SIM focused, they just kick back and enjoy some football. Tourney guys, h2h for money guys are the problem and they get invited to community day ever year making sure the game doesn't take out user control. This dev team invited them down just like the last teams did.

[bucky60]

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I understand where JP is coming from because not too long ago (about 3 weeks ago) I was upset with what I was seeing to. However, you guys can't lie, that true step for the ball carrier is pretty sick.

True Step is for at most, 2 out of 22 on the field. I think that's from either less than 10% to less than 5% of the the players on the field depending on the circumstances between user and cpu controlled teams. They should have called it TrueStep 5%. We're suppose to be impressed with THAT? That's yours and JP's selling point of why we should be impressed? Let's see, going forward, at the current rate, that would mean we would have a TRUE True Step in 10 to 20 years. Now I know the 10-20 years is a little silly, but just trying to make a point. How can they advertise TRUE STEP as some amazing, game altering realistic feature, AND ONLY PROVIDE FOR 5 TO 10 PERCENT OF THE PLAYERS ON THE FIELD.

[jpdavis82]

Re: Madden NFL 25 Next Gen Video - IGNITE Technology & Next-Gen Visuals (QJB)

Casuals won't be furious at a SIM focused, they just kick back and enjoy some football. Tourney guys, h2h for money guys are the problem and they get invited to community day ever year making sure the game doesn't take out user control. This dev team invited them down just like the last teams did.

They do invite the tourney guys but it's after they've been working on the game and those guys are just playing it for fun.

The Sim Perspective guys and Ryan Moody also were invited and they are the guys who are constantly communicating with the devs about the game and giving feedback to the devs to help shape it.

[bucky60]

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You thought they made 2k8 in one dev cycle???? They made it in 3 dev cycles and it was for the most part a port of 2k5. Do you guys realize that the same guys making nfl and nba 2k back in early 2000s, STILL are the lead guys for NBA 2k next gen. You can't overlook that, they've had the same guys making their game with the same direction for over ten years. It's no wonder they have a good game.

SMH. And this is why so many have little confidence in NFL Sim gaming. What makes you think that the current group will be around long enough to do something substantial. History shows this company changes direction every 3 years or so. Don't tell us. Show us. People are tired of being told and then the game not seeing things through.

[Jetpac]

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If you guys were hired by EA today as the GM, what would you say or do to assure people you were going to deliver a great product?

The first thing I would do is have a sit down with my animation department. I would do a complete over-haul of the animation in the game COMPLETELY away from the herky jerky.. Because my game is so piss poor in this department right now I would engage the community instead of complete silence. I would hold polls to see which things they would like to see completed on a priority bases.

I would completely retool how the in game emotions work as well. I'd make sure pre play and post play there was situational awareness. No more running to the endzone and stopping just to wait for a cut scene to pop in. No more going to the line as a QB and not being able to fake hike the ball - see what the defense is doing, thus being able to set up audibles in a realistic manor. You'd see CBs get beat and WR run up to them and talk a little trash... etc etc

I'm 1000% positive I could do this all in ONE dev cycle.

[bucky60]

Re: Madden NFL 25 Next Gen Video - IGNITE Technology & Next-Gen Visuals (QJB)

If you guys were hired by EA today as the GM, what would you say or do to assure people you were going to deliver a great product?

I would first deliver a great product. That's the best assurance.

[wordtobigbird]

Re: Madden NFL 25 Next Gen Video - IGNITE Technology & Next-Gen Visuals (QJB)

I would first deliver a great product. That's the best assurance.

Exactly. Hence the problem with EA, all marketing no development.

[ABR173rd]

Re: Madden NFL 25 Next Gen Video - IGNITE Technology & Next-Gen Visuals (QJB)

If you guys were hired by EA today as the GM, what would you say or do to assure people you were going to deliver a great product?

1) Hire a couple of the designers from both the 2k team and Backbreaker team- EA needs to diversify and bring in some industry practitioners with different perspectives.

2) Instead of game changers set up a raffle system where they bring in 40-50 random Madden players every year that each have a specific area of interest in the game i.e. Online franchise, Offline Franchise, Superstar Mode, Online Tournaments. I would set up the raffle through the most heavily trafficked Madden websites- Not Via Twitter or Facebook, this would ensure you're getting individuals that, good or bad, have a true passion for the game in some capacity.

3) Set up an intern program (no pay-college credit) where interns are solely focused on addressing issues (at their competency level) that have been pointed out by the winners of the raffle system thus eliminating some of the most ridiculous issues that should never make it into the final version.

4) Overhaul gameplay, WR/CB interaction, CPU decision making, QB throwing animations, effectiveness of blitz plays, the Balls Trajectory, and the Jumping ability of players and it's effect on defense and offense.

5) Commentary needs to evolve throughout the franchise, new player names, Every time I break Drew Brees' passing record I don't want to hear the same commentary about his record when I've broken it three seasons in a row. So the commentary should be regarding how I've broken my own record the past two seasons.

6) Take H.C. 09 (best 99 cents I've ever spent) and incorporate it into Franchise mode.

7) Stop waisting money on NFL football players for promotion. I don't care if they like the game nor if they play the game- use those resources elsewhere.

8) Fix the attribute system and outline what each attribute actually does. The awareness attribute alone should encompass at least five of the current separate attributes. Instead of having CIT, the level of the Catch attribute should determine how well a WR catches the ball in general and that number should be tied into the Jumping attribute which would determine a spectacular catch ( a 95+ Catch and 95+ Jumping is a spectacular catch player).

[RGiles36]

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It really is sad that people are being so harsh on these guys, let them have just a little bit of time to prove themselves before you write them off. People want to sit and bash these guys without giving them a chance to even prove what they're trying to do. I wouldn't blame them if they stopped coming to the forums anymore.

Honestly, I don't think guys are harsh on Rex, Cam, and/or the dev staff. Most people speak to quality of the finished product -- not who's putting it together.

That's why I don't get involved in all of those leadership and 3 year plan discussions. As a consumer, all you should care about is the product on the shelf. All those behind-the-scenes conversations simply provide a convenient distraction from what continues to be a subpar game.

[Jetpac]

Re: Madden NFL 25 Next Gen Video - IGNITE Technology & Next-Gen Visuals (QJB)

Honestly, I don't think guys are harsh on Rex, Cam, and/or the dev staff. Most people speak to quality of the finished product -- not who's putting it together.

That's why I don't get involved in all of those leadership and 3 year plan discussions. As a consumer, all you should care about is the product on the shelf. All those behind-the-scenes conversations simply provide a convenient distraction from what continues to be a subpar game.

Agreed. Def agreed.